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Its Official That Bwia Will Be Getting Two A340's

Tue Jan 22, 2002 9:31 am

Hey all you BWIA fans.

Its great news to my hears and for many of you all that it is certain that BWIA will be getting two fatastic Airbus A340-300 aircraft from the ILFC. Even though Slawko has mentioned this earlier, I would like to confirm its absolutely true because there has been soo much speculation over the past years.

I cant wait to see these birds in BWIA's new livery.

Best Regards,

BWIA330

Here is the news article.
http://www.caribbeanavenue.com/airnews/2002/01/020118a340moves.html
 
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RE: Its Official That Bwia Will Be Getting Two A340's

Tue Jan 22, 2002 9:43 am

150 A340-313X 11/19/96 C-FYKX
154 A340-313X 12/19/96 C-FYKZ
167 A340-313X 03/27/97 C-FYLC
170 A340-313X 04/29/97 C-FYLD STAR ALLIANCE
175 A340-313X 05/28/97 C-FYLG
179 A340-313X 05/30/97 C-FYLU
273 A340-313X 06/02/99 C-GDVW
278 A340-313X 06/28/99 C-GDVZ


C-FTNQ and C-FTNP air going to Air Jamaica so which of the above aircraft will go to BWIA ?
 
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RE: Its Official That Bwia Will Be Getting Two A340's

Tue Jan 22, 2002 9:49 am

Hey,

C-FTNQ-FIN981
C-FTNP-FIN982

Those are the two going to BWIA not Air Jamaica. It says FIN908 C-GDVV is going to Air Jamaica though I where is Air Jamaica's other A340 coming from if they are returning the current one?

Regards,

BWIA330

Check the Canadian Aviation News
http://www.canairradio.com/pianews.html
 
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RE: Its Official That Bwia Will Be Getting Two A340's

Tue Jan 22, 2002 12:23 pm

Wonder why they went with the A340-300s
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RE: Its Official That Bwia Will Be Getting Two A340's

Tue Jan 22, 2002 1:48 pm

They are being replaced by A340-500 / 600's.
 
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RE: Its Official That Bwia Will Be Getting Two A340's

Tue Jan 22, 2002 6:11 pm

Maybe the airline doesn't need 100 extra seats on the A346???
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RE: Its Official That Bwia Will Be Getting Two A340's

Tue Jan 22, 2002 7:08 pm

From Canadian Aviation News:

Air Canada has taken one of the 747-475s (FIN381 C-GMWW) out of storage at Vancouver and flown it to Singapore for a heavy maintenance check prior to its re-entering service with the airline. All seven 747-400s will be in use this summer due to the fact that three of the A340-300s are being returned to the lessor. One of them has already been taken out of the fleet to be prepared for a lease to Air Jamaica (FIN908 C-GDVV) and two more A340s are being returned to ILFC for onward lease to B.W.I.A. These will be the early model A340-313s (C-FTNQ/C-FTNP FIN981/982). This will leave nine A340s flying this summer on long-haul routes, seven 747-400s, and eight A330-300s. The A340-300 (FIN908 C-GDVV) was flown to Montreal on 16th of January with just the name and logo sanded out on the fuselage, but still in basic Air Canada colours. It will undergo a 30-day maintenance check there before being handed back to ILFC/Air Jamaica.
 
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RE: Its Official That Bwia Will Be Getting Two A340's

Wed Jan 23, 2002 1:34 am

What I wonder is why did they choose the 340 instead of a 300 or 310, or even the 767? Does B-Wee really think they need so much aircraft?
Not critisizing... just wondering.
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RE: Its Official That Bwia Will Be Getting Two A340's

Wed Jan 23, 2002 1:47 am

That will finally put matters to rest. As for why an Airbus rather than a Boeing, it was mentioned some time ago by someone else that the A340-300 has some engine commonality with the 737-800 (ie CFM 56 plants) thus reducing the overall number of types which BW will have to work on in the future. So BW and JM will have A340s - very interesting indeed. The only shared type at present is the MD83 and JM has planned to dispense with its 2 in favour of more A320s.

So AC is cutting back its A340-300 fleet and consolidating on the 747-400s and the remaining wide-body Airbuses. It makes some sense seeing that the newer, larger 'Buses will come on stream in the next few years.

As far as BW's numbers go, they need 2 longhaul planes given the long runs that they are called upon on a daily basis.

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Latest (Feb3rd): Typical BeeWee

Sun Feb 03, 2002 11:50 pm

($b = Trinidad $)

BWIA hunts for $b planes
By Juhel Browne (Trinidad Guardian)

At a time of staff cutbacks, national carrier BWIA West Indies Airways
has
taken steps to lease two new planes for a possible maximum price of $1
billion (US$180 million). This is not a done deal, however, says the
airline which has denied a report by the International Lease Finance
Corporation (ILFC) that it has already acquired the planes. On January
17,
ILFC announced on its web site that BWIA had dry-leased two Airbus
A340-300s-MSN 88 and 93- for five years. ILFC, which leases aircraft to
airlines around the world, also stated the planes are scheduled for
delivery to BWIA in June and November. But Clint Williams, BWIA's
director
of corporate communications, last Thursday dismissed the ILFC report.
"To
my knowledge a final decision has not been made and approved by the
board,"
Williams said. BWIA chief executive officer Conrad Aleong has written a
strong note to the ILFC condemning its announcement, he disclosed.

Williams did confirm BWIA has been actively pursuing the acquisition of
new
aircraft to replace two of its three ageing Lockheed L-1011 TriStars. A
committee of BWIA executives is leading the search for the planes. In
the
February edition of BWIA's in-flight magazine Caribbean Beat, Aleong
said
the airline expects to pay between US$144 million (TT$904 million) to
US$180 million (TT$1.1 billion) for the two planes. "There's no showroom
where you can pick out a new US$90 million (TT$565 million) aircraft or
a
slightly used one for US$72 million (TT$452 million) - that's roughly
what
we expect to pay for each of the two new, almost new, aircraft we will
be
deploying on the London route," Aleong wrote in his column.

Despite the conflicting reports about the acquisition, an industry
source
said BWIA is now in advanced negotiations with ILFC. The source said
BWIA
wants to acquire two five-year-old Airbus Industrie A340-313s, different
models to the ones the ILFC said the airline had obtained. The A340-313
aircraft, now registered as C-FTNP and C-FTNQ, were formerly flown by
Air
Canada. Air Canada will return three of the 12 A340s it leased back to
the
ILFC. One of these, the source said, is now being prepared for lease to
Air Jamaica while the other two are expected to go to BWIA. The source
said
BWIA should receive the aircraft by September or October and not June
and
November as the ILFC stated.

The new aircraft are meant to reduce the fuel and maintenance costs
incurred by the L-1011s. BWIA insists the purchases, if completed during
the restructuring exercise, will not contradict its cost cutting
measures.
BWIA's plan is not only to cut costs but also to find methods and
equipment
that will improve its efficiency and revenue earning ability. "A
restructuring exercise is not just a witch hunt to find people to fire,"
Williams said. "It would be premature to answer questions when we have
not
made a final decision." But premature is how Curtis John, acting
president
of the Aviation Communication & Allied Workers Union (ACAWU) described
BWIA's plan to buy any aircraft at this time. "If you are restructuring
and
people going to lose their jobs, now is not the right time to purchase
these aircraft," John said.

He did not disagree with the need for BWIA to replace the L-1011s.
However,
John said the purchase of any aircraft, when BWIA says it has to reduce
staff, raises suspicions about the airline's true financial state. BWIA
has been looking for two new planes long before September 11, Williams
said. The airline had stated that its revenues and passengers loads have
decreased since the terrorist attacks in the United States. BWIA too
plans
to return two MD-83s, to their leasing company, as it reduces flights as
well. The MD-83s normally ply BWIA's regional routes. John said the
airline's executives stated that US$3 million (TT$19 million) of BWIA's
revenue was already dedicated for the refurbishing of the L-1011s. "If
you
are doing a restructuring programme, you refurbish the L-1011s and when
you
are finished with your restructuring then purchase new aircraft," he
said.
If BWIA has millions to purchase the aircraft, train and equip the
relevant
departments for their operation, John believed the airline can then
afford
to keep its staff. "The company doesn't have valid reasons for sending
home
people."

-with reporting by Vernon Khelawan, Antigua Sun

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RE: Latest (Feb3rd): Typical BeeWee

Mon Feb 04, 2002 12:52 am

the A340-200/300 is a common replacement/upgrade for previous operators of the 1011-500. Air Lanka, Air Canada and TAP are good examples of how this has been done before.

BWIA have been talking about getting 340s for quite a while. Seems they just haven't had enough money to buy them, and so end up putting a small fortune into keeping their battered L1011s in service.

Of all L1011 operators, I think it's fair to say that BWIA is the one that got its money's worth!!! They have been solidly flying TT-LHR etc every day for over 20 years!
 
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RE: Its Official That Bwia Will Be Getting Two A340's

Mon Feb 04, 2002 5:51 am

I think that BWIA is having trouble getting an ETOPS certificate taht would make twin ops from trinidad to europe efficient and cost effective, and so the quad would eliminate the need for etops, and costs around the same price as a new 330 to lease.
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RE: Its Official That Bwia Will Be Getting Two A340's

Mon Feb 04, 2002 3:34 pm

Seems the folks down there at BWIA need to get their s*** together and make up their minds about what the heck they're gonna do..... and do it right.
Why condemn ILFC for stating they're getting planes? It's as though they don't wanna look bad for laying-off staff while aquiring planes.
Oh, BWIA..... sigh
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RE: Its Official That Bwia Will Be Getting Two A340's

Mon Feb 04, 2002 7:54 pm

Those BWIA L-1011's were the worst! We used to hate doing that flight when AA handled them at Kennedy.

Nothing worked,you had to push every single can full of those huge stinking bags.

Hopefully they'll keep the 340's in better shape.
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