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Which Foreign Airlines Have US-to-Canada Routes?

Tue Jan 22, 2002 12:34 pm

which foreign airlines CURRENTLY have
US-to-Canada routes? (with local traffic
rights, which allows you to fly only
between US/Canada without continuing
to a point outside of North America)

Not including US and Canadian air
carriers, of course...

 
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RE: Which Foreign Airlines Have US-to-Canada Routes?

Tue Jan 22, 2002 12:37 pm

Philippine Airlines Does operate Vancouver to San Francisco Flights Operates as MNL-YVR-SFO-MNL
 
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RE: Which Foreign Airlines Have US-to-Canada Routes?

Tue Jan 22, 2002 12:40 pm

Cathay Pacific fly Vancouver-JFK. Prior to 9/11 they also flew Anchorage-Toronto.

Egyptair and Royal Air Maroc both fly Montreal-JFK. Only one of them, however has 5th freedom, and I forgot which one.

El Al flies Los Angeles-Toronto, but without 5th freedom.

Aerolineas Argentinas used to fly Montreal-Toronto-Miami.

British Airways used to fly Toronto-JFK.


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RE: Which Foreign Airlines Have US-to-Canada Routes?

Tue Jan 22, 2002 12:42 pm

Korean Air flys ICN-ANC-YYZ and back as KE073 and 074. Also in 1997, they flew ICN-ORD-YYZ.
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RE: Which Foreign Airlines Have US-to-Canada Routes?

Tue Jan 22, 2002 12:50 pm

Egyptair is picking up YUL-JFK after RAM goes nonstop to Casablanca with their new 767-300s
 
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RE: Which Foreign Airlines Have US-to-Canada Routes?

Tue Jan 22, 2002 1:03 pm

Pakistan had 747s on JFK-YYZ. I don't know if they still have it.



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RE: Which Foreign Airlines Have US-to-Canada Routes?

Tue Jan 22, 2002 1:37 pm

I had heard that EL AL WILL fly local traffic YYZ-LAX when the new routing starts. There is no bilateral restriction against it.



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RE: Which Foreign Airlines Have US-to-Canada Routes?

Tue Jan 22, 2002 2:09 pm

Many countries have rights to operate between the US and Canada but very few countries use these rights because most carriers now have aircraft and enough traffic to operate point to point service. Someone had asked that question a few months ago and I listed all countries for them. You might want to do a search.

Currently operating: Morocco has fifth freedom rights between New York and Montreal. Egypt flies the route but does not have local traffic rights. I am not aware of any renegotiations to allow Egypt these rights.

Israel does not have fifth freedom rights between Toronto and Los Angeles although I understand this bilateral is under negotiation. Israel has extensive, but unused, fifth freedom rights from Montreal to the US.

Neither Cathay nor Korean has fifth freedom rights on the Anchorage - Toronto sector. Cathay does have local New York - Vancouver rights.

Pakistan no longer operates New York - Toronto. They did not have fifth freedom rights on this route.








 
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RE: Which Foreign Airlines Have US-to-Canada Routes?

Tue Jan 22, 2002 2:18 pm

Royal Air Maroc flies Casablanca-New York-Montreal
Pakistan Airlines flies Toronto-New York-Karachi
El Al flies Toronto-New-York-Tel Aviv

VASP Brazillian Airlines used to fly Sao Paulo-New York-Torono. Great JFK-YYZ flights, $125 round trip, too bad they're not around any more.

The El Al flight from JFK to YYZ is scheduled and marketable. THE PIA and RAM flights I am not too sure about. On the schedule boards at JFK, it does state that the flights originate in Toronto and Montreal respectively, however I'm not sure they are allowed to market the flights.

I work at Terminal 1 at JFK, which is where RAM operates, and their passengers on the inbound flights from Montreal are not allowed to stay on the aircraft (I believe before September 11th, the inbound passengers from Montreal, going to Casablanca, were allowed to remain on board the aircraft when it stopped at JFK). However, they must now deplane, clear U.S. immigration and customs, re-check their bags, and board the aircraft again.

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