propilotjw
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JetBlue At MidAmerica Airport

Thu Jan 24, 2002 12:50 am

Hello, here in BLV, we heard rumors of JetBlue coming into MidAmerica Airport. Has anyone heard this? I worked there until I was laid off due to Pan Am pulling out (Dec. 3, 2001). MidAmerica (BLV) doesn't seem like it would be an airport that JetBlue would like. There are no services at the airport. No Car rentals, the absolute closest hotels are 15 mins away, no filling stations in site, not nearly enough parking (in part b/c of the sept. 11 event b/c they block off parking 250ft in front of the terminal if there is an air carrier). There are no restaurants in the terminal, just 1 vending machine and one soda machine. The nearest place to eat is a good 5 miles away. It just dosen't seem to fit. JetBlue and BLV. anyone see it in the future?

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RE: JetBlue At MidAmerica Airport

Thu Jan 24, 2002 1:04 am

Captain,

It's an interesting idea...now, granted, the services apparently didn't turn out for Pan Am, but for a more serious airline like jetBlue, they just might. After all, the passenger volume would sure be higher than Pan Am, so you could justify having a few car rental companies/"express" fast food stands, etc.

Also (and you can correct me if I'm wrong about this), my perception is that the government officials controlling BLV are desperate to get a carrier in there and promote the airport's growth, so that the project doesn't end up being a complete white elephant. This might benefit jetBlue greatly, in that they'd possibly get reduced landing fees, free gate space, etc. in order to be the "seed" airline, so to speak. Perhaps that way BLV could craft itself a niche in being the airport that all of the discount airlines and charters serve in the STL area.

I do agree that BLV does not seem like jetBlue's typical airport--but, then, jetBlue is not a typical airline. I could see it happening, especially since competition in the area has taken a major hit with TWA getting eaten up by AA. Perhaps a JFK-BLV-LGB route would work well. Or a IAD-BLV-FLL route. The possibilities are rather interesting. I'm going to keep this one on my radar.

 
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RE: JetBlue At MidAmerica Airport

Thu Jan 24, 2002 1:16 am

I think in order to entice B6 (JetBlue) to fly to BLV, they will have to upgrade the terminal facilities. Don't be surprised if it happens because BLV could offer a lot of landing/takeoff slots to B6, and this could single-handedly revive that airport. After all, B6's arrival at LGB will likely revive that airport, too.
 
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RE: JetBlue At MidAmerica Airport

Thu Jan 24, 2002 1:22 am

is there any other commercial traffic there now?
 
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RE: JetBlue At MidAmerica Airport

Thu Jan 24, 2002 1:26 am

What is BLV that is mean??
 
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RE: JetBlue At MidAmerica Airport

Thu Jan 24, 2002 1:32 am

Hey, I got it with city code is Belleville - Scott AFB (BLV/KBLV). thanks!
 
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RE: JetBlue At MidAmerica Airport

Thu Jan 24, 2002 1:45 am

ScottysAir-

BLV = St. Louis Mid-America Airport in Illinois. It is just outisde St. Louis, and was created with the construction of a passenger terminal near one of Scott AFB's runways to create a reliever airport for Lambert (STL). So far, the only tenant has been Pan Am III, which had poor loads (probably due to the fact that they didn't fly anywhere that anyone wants to go).
 
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RE: JetBlue At MidAmerica Airport

Thu Jan 24, 2002 1:45 am


The only commercial traffic there was Pan Am and they left. So the airport is once again empty.
 
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RE: JetBlue At MidAmerica Airport

Thu Jan 24, 2002 1:49 am

N202PA,

Actually they built a new runway parallel to the existing Scott AFB runway and built the new terminal. The Mid-America teminal is separated from the Scott facility by a large wetland area. There is a 7,000 ft. taxiway that links the "Mid-America side" with the "Scott side".
 
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RE: JetBlue At MidAmerica Airport

Thu Jan 24, 2002 2:00 am

Cactus,

Ahhh, gotcha. I thought that it was an existing runway. I knew that the two were separated by a large expanse of land and trees, but assumed that the other runway was there before. Are both runways available to Air Force traffic, or is one dedicated solely to commercial and the other to military flights?
 
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RE: JetBlue At MidAmerica Airport

Thu Jan 24, 2002 2:13 am

Hmmm....JetBlue at MidAmerica? Maybe, but it seems to me unlikely. JetBlue heads for 'alternative' airports when a region's major airport is badly congested or lacks gate space. St. Louis would be a great destination for JetBlue, no doubt, but I think it'd be more likely for B6 to go to Lambert. That airport is not badly congested, from what I hear, and of course will get a new runway in a few years.

The question would probably turn on the airport's ability to provide gate space. Anyone familiar with the lease arrangements at STL? Are there 'use it or lose it' clauses, and is anyone not fully using gate space? (Is AA using all that TW gate space?) Is there anyplace a gate or two could be tacked on to the end of a concourse?

Jim
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RE: JetBlue At MidAmerica Airport

Thu Jan 24, 2002 2:17 am

Well maybe jetBlue could turn the airport around and make something work? Who knows? After all, they have done some great things so far.

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RE: JetBlue At MidAmerica Airport

Thu Jan 24, 2002 2:26 am


N202PA,

The military uses both runways, although they natuarly tend to use the Scott runway more often. However, I the Mid-America runway is 2,000 ft. longer than the old Scott runway so sometimes heavy KC-135 tankers will depart from that side.

Jim,

I think AA has moved into all the TW gates at STL but I'm sure there is still open gate space at the main terminal. They can also use one or two of the gates on the East terminal where SWA is. There are a few gates at the end of that terminal that are used mostly for charters.
 
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Some Answers To Your Questions

Thu Jan 24, 2002 6:03 am

OKay I have read all of the other posts and I have some answers to a few unanswered questions.

1. one of the guys said that the terminal needed upgrading. What? The terminal is the closest thing to new you can almost find. It may need to be added on to to accomodate more flights. There are only two jetways, 4 gates.

2. Pan Am was our only tenant as of yet. They lasted for 1 year and 3 months. The passenger loads were great to start. Everyone loved the flights to Florida. Not so much Gary but Florida was a hit. The problem Pan Am had was with the planes. They were consistenetly late. We knew not to make plan after work b/c we would usually stay late. The planes were being overworked and there was not time to rest.

3. That 'wetalnd' between Scott AFB and MidAmerica is actually Silver Creek. Silver creek is the dividing line for The AFB and the civilian side. There is a 7,000 ft taxiway runing between the Scott runway and the MidAmerica Runway.

4. Now we get to use of the runways. The KC-135 refuelers that are stationed at Scott almost always take off on the Midamerica side as opposed to the AFB side. The Scott runway is asphalf and it cannot handle the a/c, especially in the summer time. All of the AF heavies land and take-off in the civilian side b/c of the weight restriction on the scott side. The scott side is mainly used for most of the C-9 Nightengales that are at scott.

5. Now we move on the Lambert. (worked there too) Lambert was a very busy airport. Now they are not as busy as they were. They are actually talking aobut stoping the expansion now known as W-1W. AA is NOT taking over all of the TWA gates and there is now room to spare.