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Why Is DEN Vanguard's Biggest Destination?

Thu Jan 24, 2002 7:39 am

I was skimming through Vanguard's schedule and noticed that Denver (DEN) is there most heavily served destination with 5 flights a day on Weekdays, and 4 flights a day on Weekends.

Anyone have any idea why they serve DEN so much? MCI-DEN is served also by United Airlines and Frontier Airlines.

Any perticular reason why they serve DEN so much?

Right now its 3 MD-80s, 1 MD-87 and 1 737.

Starting January 31st, the 737 flight will be replaced by an MD-80, so it will become 4 MD-80s and 1 MD-87.
So no more Vanguard 737-200s to DEN.  Sad

On December 20, they also started serving Colorado Springs (COS) 2x daily on 737-200s.

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

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RE: Why Is DEN Vanguard's Biggest Destination?

Thu Jan 24, 2002 7:45 am

I have no clue. I see them every time I go spotting and have a few pictures of them. I have the MD80s in green, red, blue, Black/dark blue. And have a lineup with an accidental 737-200 there to.
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RE: Why Is DEN Vanguard's Biggest Destination?

Thu Jan 24, 2002 8:29 am

There new livery is a little bit too colorful. The colors are too bright.

But I guess I'll get used to them.

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RE: Why Is DEN Vanguard's Biggest Destination?

Thu Jan 24, 2002 2:09 pm

No Vanguard experts out there?
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RE: Why Is DEN Vanguard's Biggest Destination?

Thu Jan 24, 2002 2:14 pm

I'm not a Vanguard expert, but I have followed the airline closely. My guess is this: I doubt that they have very high loads at all on that route. But in airline economics, the winner is the one who offers the most seats/frequencies in a city pair. They must have at least one good load a day to keep the city but offer the rest of the flights in order to keep a presence against UAL and Frontier. DEN is also near enough to MCI that they can turn these a/c around and send them back without getting them too far out of the route system. They probably feel that if they pull of DEN then they will loose confidence that they can ever compete against the big boys. So the strategy is do their best to keep as many seats in the market as they can and try and hopefully gain market share by doing this.
 
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RE: Why Is DEN Vanguard's Biggest Destination?

Fri Jan 25, 2002 8:45 am

Deltaflyertoo,

On the contrary, there planes must be really filling up.

Before September 11, they had 4 daily flights into DEN. After September 11, they reduced it to 3 daily flights.

However on October 22, they released this Press Release:



Vanguard Airlines Increases Service to Denver


Kansas City, MO-- Vanguard Airlines, Inc. (NasdaqSC: VNGD) today announced it is adding two additional flights between Kansas City and Denver beginning November 9, 2001. This will bring the airline’s total flights to Denver to five weekday departures.

Scott Dickson, CEO and President of Vanguard Airlines, said, “We have seen a stronger than expected demand for our Denver service since implementing our October 4 schedule. We are pleased that passenger traffic is returning and will continue to fine tune our schedule to respond to our customers’ wishes.”

From Denver to Kansas City
Depart: 6:00a
Arrive: 8:30a
Flt#: 400
Freq: Daily

Depart: *9:30a
Arrive: 12:00p
Flt#: 902
Freq: Except Sun

Depart: 11:15a
Arrive: 1:45p
Flt#: 422
Freq: Daily

Depart: 3:50p
Arrive: 6:20p
Flt#: 207
Freq: Daily

Depart: *6:15p
Arrive: 8:45p
Flt#: 904
Freq: Except Sat

From Kansas City to Denver
Depart: *8:00a
Arrive: 8:45a
Flt#: 303
Freq: Except Sun

Depart: 10:00a
Arrive: 10:45a
Flt#: 325
Freq: Daily

Depart: 2:35p
Arrive: 3:20p
Flt#: 309
Freq: Daily

Depart: *5:00p
Arrive: 5:45p
Flt#: 311
Freq: Except Sat

Depart: 7:45p
Arrive: 8:30p
Flt#: 327
Freq: Daily


* Begins November 9, 2001

Passengers can take advantage of great deals currently being offered with Vanguard’s “America the Affordable” sale. Fares from Denver start at just $65 each way** excluding taxes and PFCs. In addition, purchase any coach ticket and take a companion along for an additional $50 round-trip*** excluding taxes and PFCs.

These fares are so low that the following restrictions apply. Fares are non-refundable and carry a $50 change fee per itinerary change plus any possible fare increase. Itinerary cannot be transferred to another person. Fares do not include passenger facility charges of $3 to $15 or segment taxes of $2.75 per segment. A segment is defined as a take off and landing. Fares are subject to availability and may not be available on all flights or all days. Tickets must be purchased by October 31, 2001, and all travel must be completed by May 16, 2002.

**Sale fares are one-way based on round-trip purchase. Fares are available for travel on Tuesday, Wednesday or Saturday. A slightly higher fare is available for travel on all other days. For reservations, call your travel agent, 1-800-VANGUARD or visit www.flyvanguard.com.

***Companion fares require a round-trip purchase. Companion fares must be purchased in conjunction with another fare, excluding SkyBox™ Business Class fares. Companions must check-in and travel together. Companion fare is only available by calling your travel agent or 1-800-VANGUARD (913-432-UFLY in the Kansas City area). Offer ends October 31, 2001, and all travel must be completed by May 16, 2002.

Vanguard Airlines, Kansas City’s Hometown Airline, provides convenient all-jet service to 14 cities nationwide: Atlanta, Austin, Buffalo/Niagara Falls, Chicago-Midway, Dallas/Ft. Worth, Denver, Fort Lauderdale (beginning Dec. 10), Kansas City, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, New Orleans, New York-LaGuardia, Pittsburgh and San Francisco. The airline offers low fares with no advance-purchase requirements, advanced seat assignment and extra legroom on all flights with a fleet of eight Boeing 737s and five Boeing MD-80-series aircraft, which feature SkyBoxä Business Class service. For more information or to make reservations online, visit Vanguard’s Web site at www.flyvanguard.com.



As you can see, the press release reports that loads to Denver were above there predictions.

But I'm surprised that DFW and some other cities don't have more flights.

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RE: Why Is DEN Vanguard's Biggest Destination?

Fri Jan 25, 2002 9:16 am

Their exact loads are questionable. I'm sure it is decent, but not as good as they truley would like. However, like I said before, they probably get at least one good load a day and the rest are so so. They know that if they just offered that one flight a day and not the other 4, they would not even get a good load for that one.

As for DFW, I would not be surprised if they tried to add frequencies to there as well. It seems to be working at DEN even w/ Frontier and UAL, but DFW is just AA.

What Vanguard needs to do before adding any other cities is continue to add frequencies. Hopefully they will add at least another 2 flights to DEN from MCI to officially secure that route. They also need to do this all around their route system so that they have 7-9 flights a day from MCI to all the cities they serve. That is the best way to build marketshare and get trenced in.
 
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RE: Why Is DEN Vanguard's Biggest Destination?

Fri Jan 25, 2002 9:32 am

I agree.

Some of there cities REALLY need some additional frequencies.

Cities like SFO, PIT, LAS and a few others only have 1 flight a day, which is definately not satisfactory.

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RE: Why Is DEN Vanguard's Biggest Destination?

Fri Jan 25, 2002 12:25 pm

My guess is DIA is the most expensive facility they serve (rent and gate leases so on and so on). So if this is true wouldnt it make sence to serve the city frequently and get more use out of the gates (and ticket counters). After all when they are empty, they are not making money.

And since DIA is more expensive than MDW or ATL or DFW they need more service to break even or make a profit.

Just my thoughts.

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