doug
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AA-mia To Japan

Wed Aug 11, 1999 1:33 pm

does any one know when AA will fly from mia to japan or is it a governmental thing,i know the market warrants the service,and of the japan airports which if ant have slots osaka,tokyo.nakita
 
dfw-man
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RE: AA-mia To Japan

Wed Aug 11, 1999 2:07 pm

i am not sure buddy but we hope soon,i would love for my favorite airline to build the hub in miami to the level of the dfw hub.i think american is about to announce a major build up for the maim hub of about 40-50 extra flights late this year or early next and we will see if the palns are told then of the japan service
 
doug
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RE: AA-mia To Japan

Wed Aug 11, 1999 2:14 pm

thanx for the news dfw-man its about time miami goes from a minor hub to a major one,but i wont hold my breathe on catchimg the dfw hub,ord maybe but dfw no way
 
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Is There A Market?

Wed Aug 11, 1999 6:31 pm

Doug-
Do you really think there's a market?
It would be a long flight, so fuel costs would be much lower if passengers changed planes on the West Coast.
Besides, Japan to Miami wouldn't benefit many people, except for Floridians perhaps.

?Businessmen going between N America and Asia?
- Again, there are fuel cost advantages in changing planes on the west coast. Besides, Miami is very far south. Remember that most Pacific flights go way north above Alaska.

?Japanese tourists going to Disneyworld?
- If they have to change planes anyway, they should change farther to the west (MSP or SEA, for example).

?Businessmen travelling between Asia and Central/South America?
- First of all, there are not that many. Second, LAX makes for a shorter trip.

RGDS
 
DeltaShuttle
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RE: Is There A Market?

Wed Aug 11, 1999 10:18 pm

I belive that American would get slots for service from New York first or more service out of one of its other hubs. (it already has rights to Tokyo, so maybe it would try to get rights to Osaka from there).

As for the market - it is a definite possibility with its agreements with Japan Airlines. JAL's passengers plus AA's could fill a 777IGW.
 
Capt.Fantastic
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RE: Is There A Market?

Thu Aug 12, 1999 6:40 am

American Airlines does operate a DIRECT flight from MIA to NRT. The flight stops in Seattle, before headiong on to Tokyo; I believe it is flight 27.

To DeltaShuttle: I don't think American can get rights to NRT from JFK. Already, this route is very saturated. United, Northwest, JAL and ANA all service JFK-NRT. I don't think the government will allow it, nor do I think this market can handle another entrant.

I am also not real sure if there is a market to warrant a non-stop from MIA to Tokyo. I feel American's direct service is good enough. MIA would not be a good connecting spot for flights to Tokyo. Any business they get on the route will be local traffic only.

Jim
 
doug
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RE: AA-mia To Japan

Thu Aug 12, 1999 7:47 am

some of the points make sense but you must realize that mia has the 2nd largest amounts of intl passengers in the country behind jfk so that would hasve to account for something as far a plateau for starting the route,and ex ceo crandall made mention to starting the route a couple of years ago before he stepped down.if anyting i think the japanese governmet will be the cause of the route not starting
 
lima
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RE: AA-mia To Japan

Thu Aug 12, 1999 8:46 am

The route could make sense for the Latin American passengers needing to head for Japan, especially those members of AAdvantage. In fact, many people from South America in countries like Brazil or Argentina use United Airlines to their trips to Japan, Hong Kong and China via Miami or New York.
 
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RE: AA-mia To Japan

Thu Aug 12, 1999 10:07 am

Of course there's market room for AA to begin the JFK-NRT route. It complements the existing international flights at JFK. AA passengers who formerly had to the fly another airline or connect would be able to fly with AA non-stop.

Lance
 
Capt.Fantastic
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AA JFK-NRT ... Not Likely

Thu Aug 12, 1999 1:09 pm

I'm sure there is a market for connecting AA passengers at JFK for a Tokyo flight, but I don't think the government will give American the route authority. American would love to fly JFK-NRT, no doubt. The fact is, United and Northwest already have the rights (in addition to JAL and ANA). To my knowledge, there is not a bilateral open skies agreement between the US and Japan. The only way I see American taking on this route, is if the Northwest, or United rights to fly the route are handed over to American; an unlikely happening. However, this did occur on the Chicago route last year. Northwest's rights to fly ORD-NRT were transfered to American, which now flies a daily 777.

Jim
 
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RE: AA-mia To Japan

Thu Aug 12, 1999 5:00 pm

American already has rights to fly JFK-NRT, as well as BOS-NRT. The only reason that they don't is that they have been unable to obtain slots at Narita. They were awarded route authority after the last round of US-Japan aviation talks when the market was somewhat liberalized. Following is an excerpt from a press release issued by American on March 17, 1998...

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We applaud DOT's plans to award new U.S.-Japan routes as soon as possible so the competitive benefits of the new bilateral can be realized. In addition to starting Chicago-Tokyo service on May 1, we plan to begin new New York Kennedy-Tokyo, Boston-Tokyo and Dallas/Fort Worth-Osaka service by November 1, and today's action paves the way for that new service to start."
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American retains rights for the routes, and intends to begin service as soon as slots are obtained.