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Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 3:12 am

At the moment if you wanted to travel from SFO/OAK to LAX/SNA/BUR etc you'd have to pay upwards of $100 with the full service guys and about $70 with SouthWest. In the EU you can travel similar distances with Virgin Express or Ryanair for about $50, and when the other airlines like Buzz and GO do their deals you can fly even greater distances for about $40 including taxes. This is not forgetting Ryanair and their famous roundtrip airfares for 1 euro which you can actually book becasue I have done so and so have most of my friends at some point.

Why can the EU carriers do it so much cheaper than the US carriers? Is it because foreign airlines are not allowed to operate domestic routes inthe US? If Virgin set up a new airline like Virgin Blue in Australia would it bring down prices?
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 3:29 am

Can't say a Virgin Blue type operation would have any noticeable impact over here since its main lowfare competiton has more than 350 737's. Talk about barriers to entry!

You can currently fly SEA-TPA (which is 5800 miles) roundtrip for $160 so it all depends on the luck of the draw. The $1 fare has yet to be seen I'm afraid.
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 3:40 am

Expensive???!!!!

Ticket prices, in terms of real dollars adjusted for inflation, are cheaper right now then they have ever been. Some would say they are too cheap. It probably shouldn't be more expensive to ride greyhound than it is to ride in a jet.
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 4:13 am


This is extremely cheap. When you talk about those cheap flights in Europe you have to add high taxes on Ryanair and co.
And try to book a same day return within Europe (also on Ryanair or others) and you'll see what EXPENSIVE is !
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 4:23 am

Capitalism. You gotta love it!
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 4:24 am

It seems to me that you're comparing apples to oranges here. You're comparing some of Ryanair's lowest fares to some of Southwest's highest fares; Southwest is offering intra-California flights for under $40 each way right now. Moreover, while Southwest is a "no-frills" airline, they do offer certain frills which Ryanair does not; i.e. complimentary onboard drink service and snacks, connecting flights (Ryanair won't offer you a connection from one of their flights to another of their flights), and 3 pieces of checked baggage (1 piece of checked baggage, up to 15 kg, on FR). Recall that Southwest (as well as the other U.S. airlines) also doesn't charge a fee for credit card bookings and that the taxes/charges/fees tend to be somewhat less on their flights.
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 4:27 am

Depending upon the city pair, your fare will be dependant upon several factors. How many airlines also fly this same city pair, and how often. You may have two airlines flying the same route, one a major airline (or its' regional partner(s)), the other a low-fare airline, and the fares may be $200 each way on the major and $49 on the low-fare airline. Some people are loyal to just one airline, and have no problem paying higher fares even when a cheaper alternative is available. In Atlanta this is the typically story on several city pairs like ATL-MYR and ATL-GPT. Now on routes that have many frequencies, like ATL-IAD, ATL-BOS, ATL-LGA, and ATL-EWR, both the major airline and the low-fare competitor charge similar fares for coach travel. Where the difference in fares is apparent is on business class fares. So in a nutshell, if the city pair is a popular pair, the prices will be competitive all around; but if the city pair involved is not very heavily served, one airline may charge a lower price than others on the same route.
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 4:44 am

What you are all missing is that a fare equal to 90cents round trip is less than $40 one way which ever way you look at it. I also quoted fares on GO for example I have flown for GBP35 from London to Madrid RT including all taxes which is equivalent to $49. The distance is just short of 1000 miles each way. I have flown from London to Shannon for GBP30 round trip including all taxes and the distance is about 400 miles each way.
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 5:15 am

Here are some examples of similar distance RT flights departing Tuesday Jan 29 returning Thursday Jan 31.

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Southwest OAK-LAX 337 miles
Cheapest fare available $202 RT including taxes etc

Alaska Air SFO-LAX 337miles
Cheapest fare available $223 RT including taxes etc

American Airlines / Delta Airlines / United Airlines SFO-LAX 337miles
Cheapest fare available $303 Rt including taxes etc

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Ryanair STN-PIK 320miles
Cheapest fare available $34 RT including taxes etc

GO STN-GLA 330 miles
Cheapest fare available $54 RT including taxes etc

easyJet LTN-GLA 322 miles
Cheapest fare available $91 RT including taxes etc

Virgin Express BRU-GVA 314 miles
Cheapest fare available $118 RT including taxes etc

Virgin Express BRU-CPH 474 miles
Cheapest fare available $110 RT including taxes etc

_______________________________________________

Bye the way. Many of these european fares have an advance purchase of 1 day and no minimum stay, indeed the Virgin Express ones are actually two one-ways.

I rest my case.

 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 6:25 am

US Airways- Kansas City-Tampa $68 round trip.
2096 miles round trip. 1048 miles one way.
pretty cheap to me.

D E L T A 7 7 7
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 6:41 am

D E L T A 7 7 7

The fare is $89 including tax. It's not a very nice flight though. You have to go up to Pittsburg and hang around for almost 5 hours between planes. In total the journey is 9 hours. I'm surprised you didn't mention the Delta $70 fare for the same journey though?
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 6:47 am

AMS-LHR on KLM or BA $300
AMS-LGW on BMi $200

Both are about 40 minutes flying time, prices are roundtrip.
That's European major fares, and those are WITHOUT taxes etc, which can add another $100 on a roundtrip.
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 6:50 am

It's about advance purchase.

You can book SJC-LAX (308 miles) on AA right now for departure on Feb. 1 (7 days advance purchase) and return on Feb. 3 for $81.50 USD - probably slightly cheaper on Southwest.
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 7:02 am

Well, I am very satisfied with Southwest's prices, my bro and I paid $72 r/t each to fly from OAK to SAN this February and back the same day!  Big grin (the 22nd, btw)

...Serge
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 7:15 am

This could be a blatantly wrong assumption, but it seems to me that in Europe there are options other than flying between cities. Where many cities in Europe can be travelled between via rail service for a reasonable price and in a reasonable amount of time, the same is not true for a lot of the US.
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Parra

Sat Jan 26, 2002 7:22 am

The 2 dollars on Ryanair is a joke though. I have looked it up and you end up paying over 30 pounds once taxes have been added.
I have flown SFO-Reno while reno air was still around for 29rt. total was around 45USD. Thats cheaper than many ryanair fares.
Also consider this.
Ryanair- 15kg luggage- No food or drink.
SouthWest- normal full airline luggage-food and drink.
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 7:25 am

You should try flying on a route in Canada where Air Canada has no competion. Then you will see, over priced.
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 7:30 am

How much luggage do you need on a 2-night trip and how much food and drink do you need on a 50-minute flight? You can buy Coke or Pepsi in stores for 50c a can. Is that why Southwest charge $202 dollars RT OAK-LAX? I'd rather take my own along an save the money.

I'd also like to mention that GO and Virgin Express have the usual luggage allowance and that they have very good in-flight catering available for just a couple of dollars.

Also, most of the people replying to this post are in the under 20 category and probably never have to buy their own airfares and I suspect that very few have actually flown with one of the European low cost operators that they are commenting upon.
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 7:44 am

ILOVEA340:

You should maybe look at the tax on international flights operating out of the USA. $135 for example on some trips.
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 7:49 am

Parra, US domestic fares are not expensive. Yes, for those particular days you selected, LAX-SFO/OAK is expensive. WN does have $80 r/t fares, except they do run out. After all, this air corridor is one of the most popular in the world.

Does Europe in general have cheaper airfares than the US? No.

Just try to fly CDG-FRA on the days you selected. Or FCO-MAD. Try AMS-ZUR. Yes, some routes out of the UK are cheaper than the US. But Europe as a whole? No.

Oh, and you can fly JetBlue (a better low-fare airline than ANYTHING in Europe) from LGB-JFK round trip for about $250 (That's 5,000 miles round trip). Think about it. Please name a place that you can go from the UK that is 2,500 miles away for $250 on those days you selected.

And as I said, JetBlue is superior to Ryan Air, Go, EasyJet or any other of the "no-frills" European carriers.

Hell, even on Southwest you can go anywhere in the US for $99 each way. Try LAX-TPA, or SAN-PVD.

No you can't go anywhere for $2. But that is not a real fare, just a promotion.
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 7:51 am

Para, you'll never see a $2 ticket here. Figure on a 1 hour flight in a 737-800 with the max number of seats allowed under law at 189. If everyone paid $2 a ticket, that wouldn't even cover the fuel bill. Never mind the aircarft cost, landing fees, gate fees, advertising, employees, secuirty, training, etc.

Add to that there is a $5 dollar security tax on each leg, plus a number of other taxes that would add about $20 to an average ticket right now.
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 7:53 am



Plus add up the extras that add to the cost of the trip. For example, europeans pay four times as much as we do for gas/petrol. Compare hotels, taxi fares, etc.
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 7:54 am

Travelin man:

The $2 fare is not a promotion. I have travelled using it many times and so have lots of my friends. They are available on most flights if you travel Monday through Thursday.
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 7:56 am

Please name a place that you can go from the UK that is 2,500 miles away for $250 on those days you selected.


LHR-JFK-LHR on BA or VS is $190 inc tax, and that is about 7000nm round trip.

CV640, you need to work out how a low cost carrier works (empty flight = cheap tickets, full flight = expensive tickets). Also, you can get £10 tickets on almost any flights if you book for the flight and not for the date.

Regards

Dan
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 8:01 am

Have you ever been to Madrid, Prague, Paris, Lisbon, Warsaw or Tallinn?

I didn't think so. These places are enormously cheaper than the average US city in terms of taxis (usually Mercedes), hotels and food.

Madrid - Airport to Downtown by metro for less than $1
Prague - Beer in a bar 500mL (more than 1 pint) =50 cents
Paris - 3*** hotel in a former 17th century palace = $50
Lisbon - Dinner at a good restaurant = $3
Warsaw - Lunch at a nice restaurant = $2
Tallinn - Everything very cheap - Pack of Marlboro = 80 cents

Yes Gas is expensive but then why worry when you can get a bus or metro or tram.
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 8:05 am

The comments below are directed at Mls515. Sorry I didn't include that in the original message.

"Have you ever been to Madrid, Prague, Paris, Lisbon, Warsaw or Tallinn?

I didn't think so. These places are enormously cheaper than the average US city in terms of taxis (usually Mercedes), hotels and food.

Madrid - Airport to Downtown by metro for less than $1
Prague - Beer in a bar 500mL (more than 1 pint) =50 cents
Paris - 3*** hotel in a former 17th century palace = $50
Lisbon - Dinner at a good restaurant = $3
Warsaw - Lunch at a nice restaurant = $2
Tallinn - Everything very cheap - Pack of Marlboro = 80 cents

Yes Gas is expensive but then why worry when you can get a bus or metro or tram.
"
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 8:45 am

don't forget, that air travel in the United States accounts for about 65% of ALL airline travel worldwide... we also are stuck with unions and some expensive items that may not be a problem in Europe...

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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 9:03 am

As a consumer a $2 fare would be great and I would take advantage of it ALL the time. However, I would also be worried where are they cutting back to survive on that fare? Payroll, Maintenance, etc. You cannot run a airline on $2 fares unless the government or some entity is supporting the airline. And if the government is supporting the airline, the consumer is still paying a price through taxes. I say the government because I don't know of any other entity which would pay the losses incured by $2 fares.

All this leads me to beleive that the $2 fare is a promotion that will end sooner or later. Either by bankrupsy or by management coming to senses.
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 9:24 am

Is this a joke? A $2 fare is promotional, nothing more, it's meant to generate PR for the airline, and may be cheaper than running an expensive advertising campaign. The reason you don't see it in the U.S. is one of two reasons a) It's a stupid promotion and Ryanair is losing their ass, and american airlines aren't dumb enough to do something that silly or b) It's an extremely smart promotion, Ryanair are geniuses, and none of the american airlines have figured it out and copied them.

I'd bet on b).

Obviously no airline can make money on a $2 fare, they probably can't make money on a $99 fare, in the U.S. or Europe. But fare wares aren't meant to just make money on that particular flight. If the flyer has a pleasant flight and starts flying your airline regularly, you'll make the money back then. If the flyer has never heard of your airline, you just made them and millions of flyers who don't take the offer aware of your airline and it's cheap fares.

Lastly, being a promotional offer, I'll bet the fares are very limited. All of RyanAir's fares aren't $2, but if they make 1% of them $2, they can probably afford it. Remember the bulk of fares are going to be much more expensive and will make up for them.

Lastly, as far as the prices you have quoted in Europe for "good restaurants" don't match up with what my travelling friends have told me. Either they don't know where to go, or your definition of a "good restaurant" is limited to McDonalds. Based on the rapidly crumbling Euro, I'm betting on the latter...
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 9:29 am

Wolfpacker:

State subsidy to any company is illegal under European Union competition rules.

Ryanair aircraft are all registered in the Republic of Ireland which means that they have to meet certain standards of maintainence. If operating from the UK they would also have to operate by the standards of the UK Civil Aviation Authority.

The $2 fares have been around for at least 10 years and Ryanair is one of the most profitable airlines in the world and one of the fastest growing. For example they are about to buy 100 new 737s. Only some seats on each flight are available for $2 but you can get them easily if you are flexible.
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 9:35 am

AlaskaMVP

Your friends probably ate at one of the overpriced places aimed at American tourists that are usualy full of brightly coloured ski jackets and Jansport backpacks. They serve crap and nobody in Europe would eat at them. Part of the problem is that tourists hang out at all the places that the "Let's Go" or "Frommers" guide book send them to, rather than eating at the places locals eat at.
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 9:47 am

Parra, what are you trying to proove? That Europe is cheaper than the US? Who cares? As someone who has lived in the US and Europe (Frankfurt, Dusseldorf, and Madrid), I personally do not think Europe is cheaper. First off, taxes in Europe are ridiculously expensive, so the fact that airline tickets, a dinner, and a subway token are cheaper in Europe really does not matter. Hey, how about these comparisons:

2002 Cadillac Seville STS
$48,000 in the US. $85,000 in Denmark

2002 Land Rover Discovery Series II
$37,000 in the US $49,000 in the UK*

2002 Mercedes-Benz E430
$52,000 in the US $60,000 in Germany*

2002 Mercedes-Benz Sprinter van
$24,000 in the US $26,000 in Germany*

(*similary equipped)

In fact, car-wise, only Finland even comes to close to matching what Americans pay.

Some things are cheaper in the US, others are cheaper in Europe, it is that simple. And, don't forget US carriers, with the exception of the NE Corridor, do not compete with railroads. Don't get me wrong, though, I love the US, but love Europe even more, but the cost of living, for my experience, is far more expensive in Europe. A recent survey (actually, not that recent, about a year ago) listed the world's most expensive cities to live in. Just about every major European city was mentioned. Only seven - NYC, LA, San Fran, Miami, Washington, Houston, and Boston - US cities made the list.


a.
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 9:55 am

My point was that it is cheaper to travel by air in Europe. Other people brought up the subject of food, drink, taxis etc. As for tax, well I'm from the UK but now live in California and my tax is about the same here as it was in the UK. Also the prices you were quoting for cars include sales tax in the EU. I imagine that the prices for the cars you mentioned in the US didn't.
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 10:00 am

So Go, Easy, and Ryan offer cheaper fares than Southwest. That much I suppose we will have to concede. So take advantage of it and stop bleating on about it.  Big grin

Southwest is also heavily unionized (neither Go, Easy, or Ryan have powerful unions on property) and Southwest pilots with decent seniority probably pull in as much as a BA 744 captain. This probably accounts for much of the difference.
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 10:03 am

BA used to be owned by the UK Government and for that reason they are still very unionised. Ryanair is also unionised and in fact they had a pilot strike last year.
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 11:29 am

Parra, I am not sure if they include taxes are not, but, varying by state, taxes on cars in the US are as low as 6.5%, never higher than 10%. Taxes on cars in Europe average about 17-18%. I can't imagine how you can be spending the same living in the UK and now California. You were either very thrifty in the UK or a big spender in California. I too lived in the UK and the US, and the UK is far more expensive. Just look at television and telephone rates in the UK compared to the US.
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 11:36 am

Mah4546:

I am currently being charged $49.99 for basic digital cable from AT$T broadband. In the UK I can get the same for equivalent of $25 and that includes phone service as well as TV. I don't know when you left the UK but maybe exchange rates gave the impression of it being expensive. Also were you living in London or somewhere else there? I live in Sonoma County which may explain why I think everything is so expensive.
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 12:33 pm

You know, at times the "Europe is so superior to anything in the United States" attitude gets to be a bit too much to handle.

Let's see...where do I start?

When was the last time you heard someone say

"Let's go have dinner someplace where the food is fabulous....a British restaurant perhaps."

or maybe...

"This is an intractably difficult military dilemma. Call in the French Army."

how about

"It's a growing city, and they can afford the best in urban planning and highway traffic engineers. Let's hire consultants from Italy."

Bottom line: You like Europe?...stay in Europe. Fly for cheap in Europe. Trust me...nobody makes any money at all on $2 tickets. I have no idea why anyone would sell them. If they do...more power to them. Enjoy.

Me? I know Southwest can make a buck or two off of the $30 seats they sell me from AUS to DAL. I am just glad that I live close to where Southwest is.

And if I get tired of flying...well, I can always drive. gasoline is 97 cents a gallon. Not as cheap as in Kuwait, but not bad either.
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 12:59 pm

Parra, yes, I did live in London. Thing to remember, they do not have digital cable in the UK. I don't know how you paid that little for TV and telephone lines. I right now paying $59.99 a month for deluxe satellite television, including 20 premium movie channels, so you are obviously being ripped off at $50 a month for basic digital cable, which costs $29.99 in Miami with AT&T Digital. None the less, this is a ridiculous arguement. Europe is more expensive to live in, that is a fact. Every survey prooves it. But, at the same time, Europeans also usually have a higher family income and, especially in Scandanavia, a higher standard of living, so there is nothing to complain about.

TxAgKuwait, good points, except for the fact that Europeans are masters at urban planning.
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 2:02 pm

Rather than giving a bunch of anecdotes based on my own experiences of price-comparisons Europe, let me just ask why it is that whenever business asociates come to visit us from Europe in the US, they bring a laundry list of stuff to buy. Not for just themselves, but for all their family and friends. I am not talking about gifts, I mean lists - like orders. Some guys even bought electrical appliances because they are so cheap in the USA that it was cost-effective for them to buy transformers back home!

I have never heard anyone before say that Europe is cheaper that the US.

Cheers,
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 2:27 pm

That international tax you are talking about usualy has a lot more to do with the euro. airport than with the US aiurport. FRA for example has rediculous taxes.
 
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RE: Why Are US Domestic Fares So Expensive?

Sat Jan 26, 2002 6:27 pm

Mah4546:
Of course the UK has digital cable. It's had it for years!
It also has digital satellite TV, digital radio, digital telephones, digital computers and even good old analogue electricity.....

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