baec777
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Delta & Honolulu Flight To Dallas

Sun Jan 27, 2002 1:46 am

Can anyone tell me why isnt Honolulu, Hawaii added to DFW as domestic, not international since Hawaii is a United States....??

Delta would be flying their Boeing 767-400 and again use flights DL#16 & DL#17....??
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RE: Delta & Honolulu Flight To Dallas

Sun Jan 27, 2002 1:50 am

I believe Delta phased out their service to HNL from DFW when they got rid of the tristars. I know that Delta has some issue with crew rests on the 764 or something like that, that prevents them from doing ATL-HNL runs, so I assume the same restrictions would be on the DFW-HNL runs as well. The only place you will see a Mainland-HNL run with Delta will be from LAX. Currently, AA has the whole market on DFW-HNL. DFW-OGG.

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RE: Delta & Honolulu Flight To Dallas

Sun Jan 27, 2002 1:54 am

Delta also now offers SLC-HNL. They used to fly ATL-LAX-HNL and DFW-LAX-HNL, apparently with no local traffic on the LAX-HNL legs. However, this is just my best guess, so I'd wait for DeltaSFO or another knowledgeable Delta employee to clarify how they did it.

Regardless, I have a feeling that this is not what Baec777 was asking...if not, could you be a bit more specific as to what you're getting at?
 
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RE: Delta & Honolulu Flight To Dallas

Sun Jan 27, 2002 1:54 am

So the home carrier of DFW would do the routes itself, I forgot about that, so American already doing DFW-OGG..?? What's that city..?

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RE: Delta & Honolulu Flight To Dallas

Sun Jan 27, 2002 2:00 am

OGG is Kahului,Maui,Hawaii. Most popular island in Hawaii.

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RE: Delta & Honolulu Flight To Dallas

Sun Jan 27, 2002 2:05 am

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RE: Delta & Honolulu Flight To Dallas

Sun Jan 27, 2002 2:14 am

The DL DFW-HNL was indeed a very popular flight. Many people think the real reason behind pulling that flight was the fact that a high percentage of the passengers were using their FF miles, thus it was not making money. Then, the crew member seat issue came up and gave DL the reason they were looking for to axe the flight. It is sorely missed.
 
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RE: Delta & Honolulu Flight To Dallas

Sun Jan 27, 2002 3:03 am

I was just looking through the computers to see if we plan on bringing back DFW-HNL. Like stated above, there were crew rest issues, and until they are configured for the long haul flight, you probably won't see DFW-HNL. They're not doing poorly out of SLC either. If I here of anything tho - I'll post.
 
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RE: Delta & Honolulu Flight To Dallas

Sun Jan 27, 2002 3:32 am

DL also flies SFO-HNL. Hope they resume ATL-HNL, with B/E this time! Bypassing the madness of connections on the West coast would be a godsend.
 
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RE: Delta & Honolulu Flight To Dallas

Sun Jan 27, 2002 6:40 am

FTraveler- BizElite will never be on any route to HNL unless it is an international flight. The route has too much traffic that BizElite on a plane to Hawaii is a waste of space... especialy since they can fill their 764s up with paying passengers which has more seats then a 763er with BizElite or a 764 with BizElite would.
 
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RE: Delta & Honolulu Flight To Dallas

Sun Jan 27, 2002 7:28 am

2cn - I realize that DL will be able to sustain full loads using a 764 on this route, however, flying 4,500 miles in a 764, even in F, will not be a pleasant experience. If CO can operate EWR-HNL non-stops with BusinessFirst, DL should offer B/E on these long haul domestic routes. as well
 
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RE: Delta & Honolulu Flight To Dallas

Sun Jan 27, 2002 7:38 am

Delta mainland flights to HNL are operated nonstop from SLC (1xD), SFO (1xD, and LAX (3xD) and all are operated with 764 equipment.
 
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RE: Delta & Honolulu Flight To Dallas

Sun Jan 27, 2002 7:57 am

I have been on SCL-HNL and HNL-LAX-ATL on Deltas 767-400 about a month ago. Completely full plane and in coach. Absolutely no complaints (except maybe that PTVs would have been great on these long trips). The stopover in LAX is annoying for Eastcoasters like me. Departure in HNL is quite early in the afternoon (and I want to be able to enjoy every minute in Hawaii evrytime I am there). I am tempted to try EWR-HNL on CO next year (also on a 767-400?).
 
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RE: Delta & Honolulu Flight To Dallas

Sun Jan 27, 2002 7:59 am

I took the HNL-ATL Flight on a Delta Tristar in 1997 and I thought it was pretty good.

Anyway, I hope Delta somehow resumes ATL-HNL/DFW-HNL Flights.

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RE: Delta & Honolulu Flight To Dallas

Sun Jan 27, 2002 8:51 am

FTraveler- maybe they should on the HNL routes, but they wont. Why would Delta use a plane with a layout with lower capacity if they already can fill the plane as it is and make a profit? That doesn't make sense. I've also found that the first class on the 764s isnt that bad. It was almost as comfortable as B/E, and had the same exact IFE system... I wouldnt mind a 4500 mile trip on it.
 
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RE: Delta & Honolulu Flight To Dallas

Sun Jan 27, 2002 9:12 am

2cn - While I would agree that B/E on ATL-HNL might not make economic sense, I beg to differ on your statement that F on a 764 is "almost as comfortable as B/E."

B/E seats are vastly superior in every aspect. In pitch (60" v. 39"), width on MD11s and 777s v. 764 (21" v. 18.5"), not to mention the electronic controls for recline, lumbar supports, and real footrests which provide leg support. I'll take B/E anytime.
 
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RE: Delta & Honolulu Flight To Dallas

Sun Jan 27, 2002 12:18 pm

American used their DC10 DFW-HNL flights before their Dc10s retired from AMR, somehow now AA using a B763-Pacific-, and I know Delta would go for a B764 for this route. DFW-Honolulu flight is not international because it is a American state, I call that Domestic. Delta should continue on that flight. Somehow if American doesn't fly to any country Delta flies to, best for Delta to reopen their International flights to cities like Amsterdam, Manchester, Shannon, Copenhagen, etc... Shannon, Ireland can be American Airline codeshared carrier with Aer Lingus.....

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RE: Delta & Honolulu Flight To Dallas

Sun Jan 27, 2002 3:40 pm

FTraveler
2cn - While I would agree that B/E on ATL-HNL might not make economic sense, I beg to differ on your statement that F on a 764 is "almost as comfortable as B/E."
Have you flown on it? It is quite comfortable.

B/E seats are vastly superior in every aspect. In pitch (60" v. 39"), width on MD11s and 777s v. 764 (21" v. 18.5"), not to mention the electronic controls for recline, lumbar supports, and real footrests which provide leg support. I'll take B/E anytime.

B/E is more comfortable, but still the first class seats on the 764 are very comfortable as well. The firstclass seats do have lumbar support, along with the new coach seats. If you dissagree with this, then thats your opinion, and lets agree to dissagree on this issue, its not worth filling up this topic with posts back and forth on this issue.
 
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RE: Delta & Honolulu Flight To Dallas

Sun Jan 27, 2002 5:02 pm

As a DL PM iving in HNL, flying the 764 in F twice a month to LAX, and 5 times per year in B/E from ATL to LGW and CDG on business, I think that certainly qualifies me to make this comparison. How about you? How often do you fly B/E and the 764 in F? I doubt if you've flown B/E.

I use to fly HNL-ATL and HNL-DFW all the time on the L10, so I know what it's like on these runs. That's why I would love B/E on these long-haul domestics. How about you? How many times have you flown between HNL-ATL and HNL-DFW?

I agree, let's agree to disagree on this issue.
 
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RE: Delta & Honolulu Flight To Dallas

Sun Jan 27, 2002 6:32 pm

FTraveler- my dad works for Delta, so I am a non rev. I fly alot on B/E and alot on the 764... since I usualy plan our routes around that- we've even gone from Portland Oregon, to Atlanta, and back to LAX just to fly on BE, after flying to SLC to get to PDX, which added another 12+ hours onto our one day of flying. It just takes planning your flights around a bit and you can get B/E domesticly easily, at least we do... just not to HNL.
 
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RE: Delta & Honolulu Flight To Dallas

Mon Jan 28, 2002 5:07 am

It can be argued that BizElite is a waste of space on any aircraft, as the B764 will carry more PAX than the B772, thanks to BizElite. If you really want to fly BizElite to HNL and you're lucky, sometimes an MD-11 is substituted on the LAX-HNL route.
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RE: Delta & Honolulu Flight To Dallas

Mon Jan 28, 2002 7:02 am

Clarification, there is NO lumbar support on BusinessElite nor 764 Domestic F/C. The 764 was designed specifically as the tri-star replacement to HNL. Hence the engine selection. 2cn is right when he states that BizElite will not be placed on any ATL-HNL flight. The loads are too high to warrant B/E aircraft. The 764 actually (unfortunately) has 15 less seats per aircraft than the tri-star. The priority to solve the crew rest problem is being elevated.

 
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RE: Delta & Honolulu Flight To Dallas

Mon Jan 28, 2002 7:16 am

Yes, the 764 has less seats than maybe a -250 a/c but it definatly has more than the -500s that DL flew in a 1 stop from SLC-HNL. They sure pack the seats in on the 764!
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RE: Delta & Honolulu Flight To Dallas

Mon Jan 28, 2002 9:03 am

Mikeymike, you're wrong. BusinessElite seats do in fact have lumabr support. If you don't believe me then go to www.delta.com and see for yourself.
 
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RE: Delta & Honolulu Flight To Dallas

Mon Jan 28, 2002 11:54 am

Flights 16 and 17 ATL-DFW-HNL and return are a dead issue. Delta will not restore this service. It was dropped on March 31, 2001 with the retirement of L-1011's from Hawaii service.

Those flight numbers are now going to be used for an additional CDG round trip.

Beginning last April, Delta flew a 764 ATL-LAX-HNL with a crew change in LAX and no local traffic in or out of LAX. That flight has been discontinued. Delta ALPA would not agree to fly the 764 on a segment of 8:00 or more without a separate crew rest seat. The L1011 had an engineer position, but the 764 does not have an extra seat up front.

In Delta Digest, the airline claimed that the flights lost money because 15-25% of the passengers were using SkyMiles. Of course, this logic can make any route unprofitable. This is a game the bean counters play. They do not expense the FF miles when they are earned but when they are redeemed. They then charge the entire cost of the FF miles to the flight on which they are redeemed. Stupid Bean Counters, of course, Leo Mullin is a former accountant. His sense of taste is on his tongue, and his sense of strategic marketing is nonexistent.