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CAL Pilots Admitted They Are Wrong.

Sun Jan 27, 2002 5:46 pm

I just read the yahoo news from taiwan.
The three pilots on CI011 flight admitted they made mistake during take-off at ANC.
The F/O who is first time to ANC handled the t/o roll. When CI-011 taxiing to rwy 32. They got clearance for t/o. But the taxiing into a taxiway. During the take-off roll, the pilots found out they are on wrong runway.But it is over V1, so, they continuos the take off roll.

 
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RE: CAL Pilots Admitted They Are Wrong.

Sun Jan 27, 2002 5:52 pm

Some questions that need to be asked:

The taxiway was in the wrong heading. Was their heading display functioning properly? If yes, did they check?

Could Anchorage Tower see the plane, and if so, why did the tower not warn them? (as the article seems to state that the pilots discovered the mistake after V1)
 
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RE: CAL Pilots Admitted They Are Wrong.

Sun Jan 27, 2002 6:19 pm

2 things CAL refers to Continental no CI. In all my 200 hours of flying I have never cheacked my HI while on take off roll.
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RE: CAL Pilots Admitted They Are Wrong.

Sun Jan 27, 2002 7:49 pm

So lainhol....next time have a check...!!! It's a normal task in all "big jets" to check both the heading and the altimeter at the take off point. So simple... and can avoid lots of trouble !!!!
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RE: CAL Pilots Admitted They Are Wrong.

Sun Jan 27, 2002 8:00 pm

And one thing more, you have to check your gyro in C-152 (or any other small a/c) when on the runway and reset it to the rwy QFU (it more easy than in flight with your Colsman moving from one side to another...)
Sabena ... Never to be forgotten (12 years already , what a shame !! )
 
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RE: CAL Pilots Admitted They Are Wrong.

Sun Jan 27, 2002 11:35 pm

Doesn't the V1 (the no-return speed?) has to be recalculated for the length of every specific runway?

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RE: CAL Pilots Admitted They Are Wrong.

Sun Jan 27, 2002 11:48 pm

How could you tell wide between different taxiway and runway? The taxiway average about 75 to 90 feet wide and most runways are 150 feet wide some are 200ft.

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RE: CAL Pilots Admitted They Are Wrong.

Mon Jan 28, 2002 12:35 am

CAL = China Airlines = CI
COA = Continental = CO
 
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RE: CAL Pilots Admitted They Are Wrong.

Mon Jan 28, 2002 12:40 am

All the crews I fly with check and make sure the heading and runway alignment agree. This is done to make sure the AHRS(Attitude Heading Reference System, a high tech gyro baiscally) is working properly and agree with each other(we have two in the aircraft I've flown) along with the proper runway.

In aircarft with gyros we did this as stated above to make sure our heading indiactor and compass were correct.

As for taking off in 6000 or so feet in a A340, remeber the data airlines use for runways is with an engine failure and a climb to 35 feet. They probably rotated real close to the end and if they had an engine faluire, well we would be reading about a lot more then them taking off on a taxi way.
 
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RE: CAL Pilots Admitted They Are Wrong.

Mon Jan 28, 2002 1:03 am

CAL = China Airlines = CI
COA = Continental = CO


Who makes up these 3-letter codes? Are they universally accepted?

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artsyman
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RE: CAL Pilots Admitted They Are Wrong.

Mon Jan 28, 2002 1:07 am

COA = Continental = CO = CAL (dow jones index)

Jer
 
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RE: CAL Pilots Admitted They Are Wrong.

Mon Jan 28, 2002 2:34 am

As I recall, the 2 and 3 letter airline (and the 3 letter airport codes, but not the 4 letter) are put together by IATA. ICAO does the 4 letter airport codes.

They are universally accepted by all the airlines, travel industry and the rest of aviation, plus all govt regulatory authorities such as Transport Ministries, DOT, etc.

The codes for the stock exchange are not accepted nor used out of that context, so stock trading and the SEC is about all you see them used for.

The CAL crew made a bad mistake, but not one that hasn't been made by many experienced crews from airlines all over the world, unfortunately. Complacency and thinking it can't happen to you are your enemies here.
 
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RE: CAL Pilots Admitted They Are Wrong.

Mon Jan 28, 2002 3:22 am

Listen, these guys made such an error that it defies belief... Even from your first flight hour, you are drilled to CHECK your gyro align with runway heading. You never forget that for that is as normal as walking. I wonder who trains these guys...
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