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Will Air Canada Keep Its Entire B 747-400 Fleet?

Mon Jan 28, 2002 7:08 pm

Hey guys!

I just had a word with a few Analysts. And they do believe that Air Canada 'WILL' keep its entire B 747-400 fleet, regardless of the A 340-500/600 orders as the B 747-400 suits Air Canada well.

In fact, just before the 9.11, Air Canada was in negotiation with Boeing on getting an additional number of B 747-400s.

Comments? Will they keep the entire B 747-400 fleet? Also, will they carry on with their B 747-400 Combi Fleet??
 
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RE: Will Air Canada Keep Its Entire B 747-400 Fleet?

Mon Jan 28, 2002 11:13 pm

I think that Air Canada is keeping them for a bit longer now. They are sending back three Airbus A340s this year and have taken C-GMWW out of storage and flowen it to SIN for for D or C check. I think that they will be around for a bit longer now.
 
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RE: Will Air Canada Keep Its Entire B 747-400 Fleet?

Mon Jan 28, 2002 11:35 pm

It's a mixed fleet. 4 GE all-pax and 3 PW Combi's so mx & commonality must be not great.

Their 346 order was placed prior to the CP takeover and was meant to repl the 74E's, which would have meant a reduction in capacity.

I would think the 74E fleet is more valuable than the 744 fleet due to the maindeck cargo capability (AC has flown 747 Combis longer than any other airline), plus the 74E's will be hard to place in the 2nd hand market.
So I could see the GE 744's leaving the fleet unless Asian traffic picks up.

IMHO

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RE: Will Air Canada Keep Its Entire B 747-400 Fleet?

Tue Jan 29, 2002 1:19 am

I don't see them leaving the fleet anytime soon as Air Canada is placing its B 747-400s on an increased number of routes.

Actually, I heard that Boeing was trying to get Air Canada to order more B 747-400s.

Can anyone confirm this? Do you guys think they will order an ADDITIONAL Number of B 747-400s? They have stated that they are interested in the All-Pax version
 
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RE: Will Air Canada Keep Its Entire B 747-400 Fleet?

Tue Jan 29, 2002 3:25 am

No United Airline, AC will not be getting any additional 744s. I know your favourite pastime is to invent rumours about your beloved 747 remaining in service longer (which accounts for 99% of your posts) but unfortunately, AC has made in clear in the past that they will be eventually getting rid of all their 747s (some before others, obviously) in favour of an all Airbus fleet, with the exception of the 767s and CRJs.
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RE: Will Air Canada Keep Its Entire B 747-400 Fleet?

Tue Jan 29, 2002 3:30 am

I think the only Boeings AC will be ordering from now on are 767's, if that. they may keep some of the ones they have, but I really don't see the need for more. united Airline, which new routes have they been put on? I hadn't heard about that.
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RE: Will Air Canada Keep Its Entire B 747-400 Fleet?

Tue Jan 29, 2002 8:17 am

I dont think United Airline was making rumours. He was just asking a question.
 
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RE: Will Air Canada Keep Its Entire B 747-400 Fleet?

Tue Jan 29, 2002 8:46 am

It is true AC was looking at getting a few more 747-400's from planes that were not taken up by asian airlines, but that was when they changed toe 340-500 and 34-66 orders into just 340-600 orders, the -500 is now back in the plans and so I doubt that the 744 fleet will be expanded, and i think it will still be around for a few more years.
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RE: Will Air Canada Keep Its Entire B 747-400 Fleet?

Tue Jan 29, 2002 12:12 pm

Actually, Air Canada is flying an additional number of B 747-400s into Hong Kong. And I am not making this up. I have spoken someone who actually work for Air Canada. And I do hang out with Financial Analysts from time to time.

Lymanm. just wait and see. Time will tell. Air Canada has never made a firm statement saying that they are getting rid of the entire B 747-400 fleet. In fact, they said they will keep the ones from CP.

They will probably keep the B 747-400 fleet for a very long time. At least, they are not that old.......

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RE: Will Air Canada Keep Its Entire B 747-400 Fleet?

Tue Jan 29, 2002 1:19 pm

I doubt that AC will dispose of CP's 747-400 fleet.

One reason is simple: YVR is a major enclave of ex-Hong Kong expatriates, and to switch from the 744 to the A340-600 would mean a reduction in seating capacity, not a good idea for obvious reasons.
 
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RE: Will Air Canada Keep Its Entire B 747-400 Fleet?

Tue Jan 29, 2002 6:21 pm

I agree. In fact, they might even keep the Combis for Cargo Purpose........

Well, I hope they will keep them. But they definitely need the B 744s from Canadian Airlines. What they should do is....... to get the GE Powered B 744s re-engined. Or order new ones from Boeing.

Just my 2 cents.

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RE: Will Air Canada Keep Its Entire B 747-400 Fleet?

Tue Jan 29, 2002 6:44 pm

Slawko Wrote:

It is true AC was looking at getting a few more 747-400's from planes that were not taken up by asian airlines, but that was when they changed toe 340-500 and 34-66 orders into just 340-600 orders, the -500 is now back in the plans and so I doubt that the 744 fleet will be expanded, and i think it will still be around for a few more years.

I guess they never changed the A 340-500 and 340-600 to JUST A 340-600...... Instead, they switched it to an ALL A 340-500 order. And now, the -600 is back in the plans.

However, it is possible to keep both the B 747-400, and the A 340-600 in the fleet. The B 747-400 is an ideal aircraft for high capacity routes. Besides, airlines often change their mind from time to time.

I hope they will renew their B 747-400 fleet. Let's just wait and see.....
 
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RE: Will Air Canada Keep Its Entire B 747-400 Fleet?

Tue Jan 29, 2002 7:40 pm

The very fact that they are sending C-GMWW to SIN for a heavy check (ironically I have a model of it in its last Canadi>n livery) while sending back 3 A340s (1 to Jm and 2 to BW) should suggest their short -to -mid term commitment to the 747-400. It was said that the Asian routes were strong enough to warrant keeping that fleet active.

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RE: Will Air Canada Keep Its Entire B 747-400 Fleet?

Tue Jan 29, 2002 7:45 pm

Air Canada needs to make its mind up on the commanality issue and not do and 'Air France' and order every type available.
 
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RE: Will Air Canada Keep Its Entire B 747-400 Fleet?

Tue Jan 29, 2002 7:50 pm

Air France is currently getting rid of some types so your example does not fit well.
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RE: Will Air Canada Keep Its Entire B 747-400 Fleet?

Wed Jan 30, 2002 3:39 am

No long ago, there was a post saying that Air France will lease up to 2 B 747-400ERs from ILFC.
 
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RE: Will Air Canada Keep Its Entire B 747-400 Fleet?

Wed Jan 30, 2002 3:43 am

I've been spotting at Frankfurt the past two weeks and I've seen C-GAGN almost everyday, how many 744s are in their fleet?
 
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RE: Will Air Canada Keep Its Entire B 747-400 Fleet?

Wed Jan 30, 2002 3:55 am

Yeah...... Does anyone know how many?
 
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RE: Will Air Canada Keep Its Entire B 747-400 Fleet?

Wed Jan 30, 2002 6:42 am

As far as I know, Air Canada has 7 B747-400s in their fleet. 4 from Canadian and 3 Combis that have been in their fleet for a about 10 years or so.
 
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RE: Will Air Canada Keep Its Entire B 747-400 Fleet?

Wed Jan 30, 2002 6:57 am

I thought Air Canada only had 6 now. I heard they pulled C-GMWW out of service, and it is going back to the leaser in February. If that is true, they would have three 744 Combi's and 3 ex. CP 744's.
 
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RE: Will Air Canada Keep Its Entire B 747-400 Fleet?

Wed Jan 30, 2002 7:10 am

'Air France is currently getting rid of some types so your example does not fit well.'-some types?The 310 and 767 I think.They still have the 340 and 777 in large numbers, a small 744 fleet and are rumoured to be getting 2 744ER's.Why the 744ER's?

 
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RE: Will Air Canada Keep Its Entire B 747-400 Fleet?

Wed Jan 30, 2002 10:45 am

My understanding was also that MWW would be returned to the lessor in Feb. Now it appears that it will return to service.

Soupthansa.....AC has 7 744's of 3 are 74E's. Only the 74E's are used on the YYZ-FRA route.

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RE: Will Air Canada Keep Its Entire B 747-400 Fleet?

Wed Jan 30, 2002 7:21 pm

The B744ERs are freighters, known as B747-400LRF.

Air France's fleet is not full of unfitting types.
- B747-400 on top, B747-200 pax will leave the fleet soon and be replaced by more B772 and B773
- B772 will soon be joined by B773 = remains one class
- A340/330 fleet has high commonality, almost one type.
- B767 and A310 will leave this spring, two types will be withdrwan by that
- A321, A320 and A319 are not really three different types due to commonality. The A318 won't change that
- B733 and B735 can also be regarded as one type
- B737 classics have left

So? B747-400, B777, A340/330, A32S, B737-3/5, Concorde as flagship What's the problem about it?

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RE: Will Air Canada Keep Its Entire B 747-400 Fleet?

Wed Jan 30, 2002 11:24 pm

Udo:

The two B 747-400ERs that Air France might get are Pax aircraft, not freighters.
 
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RE: Will Air Canada Keep Its Entire B 747-400 Fleet?

Thu Jan 31, 2002 12:06 am

I am glad AC is keeping it's 747-400s, they are better off getting rid of some their CFM56-5C powered A340-300s for new RR Trent 500 powered A340-500/600s.

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