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Tue Jan 29, 2002 2:41 pm

Which one of these airports do you see becoming the main Asian gateway over the next decade? Alliance hubs are already becoming more and more important, leaving BKK/SIn to star, and SIN/CLK to Oneworld , ICN to SkyTeam, but that leaves NRT out of the picture unless you class NW and UA as hub carriers there.

JAL not being in an alliance will probally not last long as it will have to compete with ANA's star connections. Haneda Airport in TYO steals pax away from NRT and also adds plenty of time onto connections, and this does not make TYO a perfect regional hub IMO...

Any Ideas?

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Tue Jan 29, 2002 3:28 pm

I believe STAR has big plans for NRT, if the economy gets better and with the new runway, I won´t be surprised if they announce an STAR ALLIANCE terminal.
NH is one of the dominant forces here and UA has about 14 daily flights, plus all the other flights by SQ, TG, SK, AC, etc.

As for ONE WORLD I think they´ll focus on HKG, that architecture masterpiece along with Cathay Pacific, are quite important, although SIN is quite good for Australasian connections (BA, QF)

SKYTEAM, I assume they will focus on Incheon (amazing airport),but apart from KE, only AF flies there. I believe they will try to get passengers to connect through ICN instead of NRT or TPE. However now that DL is codesharing with CI, I won´t be surprised if they looked at TPE as their main Asian hub.

NORTHWEST/KLM will be faithful to NRT, NW has a huge presence over there and now that they have narrowbodies based there, I think they will get bigger and bigger on Asia.
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Tue Jan 29, 2002 6:13 pm


you said: Haneda Airport in TYO steals pax away from NRT.

in my opinion HND don`t steals pax from NRT, because HND is domestic japan flights. NRT for international.
also if you add HND flights to NRT, NRT would have many problems to manage all this flights.

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Tue Jan 29, 2002 6:59 pm

What i meant by the Haneda stealing NRT traffic was mainly to do with connections. I know that one is the domestic airport and the other, NRT is the international, but they are so far spread that the distance for such connections is not efficient. To be a pure hub city it would be best for a complete airport, but they do work well as it is under the situation.

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Tue Jan 29, 2002 9:31 pm


as far as HND/NRT and Japanese domestic flights are concerned, both JL and NH operate domestic flights from NRT to connect their intercontinental flights to the major Japanese cities (the same, btw, goes for KIX at Osaka). So, both airports of both cities serve complementary markets - ITM and HND intra-Japan, and KIX and NRT for connecting flights.

The other mega-airports in East Asia, in addition to being/becoming the hubs detailed by TOMASKEMPNER above, should, in the medium term, become more generators of o/d traffic in their own rights, if the forecasts about the growth of affluence in all those countries is true. And PVG/SHA and BJS will also become mega-airports in this context.
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Tue Jan 29, 2002 9:35 pm

Thanx for the information hamburger, I didnt know that actually so you do learn new things all the time....

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Wed Jan 30, 2002 2:52 am

I believe that Incheon is desined to handle as much as 80 million passengers a year, once it is finished. It could be used, looking at its location, as a hub to China and Japan for traffic coming from Europe aswell as from Japan. Inchon claims to be within 3 hours flying time from as many as 30 "multi million people cities". It is also the home for Asiana and Korean, 2 great airlines. Korean being one of the biggest cargo airlines in the world. Delta has started code sharing again with KE and American will probaply soon start code sharing again with Asiana. My guess goes to Incheon!
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Wed Jan 30, 2002 3:26 am

Kuala Lumpur is well aware that it is losing in this race to become a hub and MAS is well-aware that STAR would not support an intermediate hub at KUL should MAS think about joining STAR (which is partly why it would be highly unlikely).

If only MAS, KLM and NWA work together with Jet, Kenya and other smaller carriers to get 'Wings' off the ground...KUL with its excellent facilities would stand a chance of taking away traffic from SIN and BKK.

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