donder10
Posts: 6945
Joined: Sun Oct 21, 2001 5:29 am

First Class-profitable For Airlines?2/3 Class Bett

Tue Jan 29, 2002 7:34 pm

What is the usual % load factor in 1st class?I've heard that many people in ther are up-grades.This leads me onto thinking whether 2 or 3 class is best for long-hauls.Obviously it varies from carrier to carrier,and based on the economic conditions but how profitable is 1st ?
Thanks,Alex
 
Andreas
Posts: 5880
Joined: Tue Oct 09, 2001 7:56 pm

RE: First Class-profitable For Airlines?2/3 Class Bett

Tue Jan 29, 2002 7:39 pm

If you look at the new business class configurations of BA, CX, SQ (planned) etc. (seat pitch, legroom etc.), it seems to me that the days of First Class are over in the long run. Business and First are getting comparable comfort-wise, so there is really no need to pay 50-60% more than Biz airfare (which is expensive enough), just to get a few more inches or the good feeling to be part of an "elite".
Regards
Andreas
I know it's only VfB but I like it!
 
donder10
Posts: 6945
Joined: Sun Oct 21, 2001 5:29 am

RE: First Class-profitable For Airlines?2/3 Class Bett

Tue Jan 29, 2002 7:42 pm

Good point Andreas.With the advent of flat-beds etc Business class is as good as 1st was a couple of years back.
 
carduelis
Posts: 1388
Joined: Wed Dec 05, 2001 8:24 pm

RE: First Class-profitable For Airlines?2/3 Class Bett

Tue Jan 29, 2002 10:20 pm

>>>Business class is as good as 1st was a couple of years back.<<<

The BA business class seat have attracted a tremendous amount of bad publicity - sitting closely, head to toe with your partner/other pax, with a really naff and flimsy 'divider' between you.

If you think business class is as good as first - have you thought how much first standard of service and delivery has been diminished in the extreme over the years?

Airlines are getting more and more like a bus service, and that's being generous. I doubt most cabin crew can even spell service, let alone deliver it. Airlines have had it too good for too long - and I'm sure SOME of them are at last waking up to that fact.

As for profitability, I doubt it. If major carriers reverted to the traditional First (half way between exiting F and J and fares accordingly) and Tourist, they'd probably do a lot better.
Per Ardua ad Astra! ........ Honi Soit Qui Mal y Pense!
 
User avatar
keesje
Posts: 9367
Joined: Thu Apr 12, 2001 2:08 am

RE: First Class-profitable For Airlines?2/3 Class Bett

Wed Jan 30, 2002 1:01 am

Business class is as good as 1st was a couple of years back.

I think the better business classses available today are comperable to F-class products ~5-6 years ago.

60 inch pitch (AA, KL, NW, DL) and a wide seat together with 4/5 step meals are what you had in F in those days.

DL, NW, KL and Co merged their First and Business class products in the mid ninety's and now seem to be (relative) succesfull carriers. Perhaps 18 spacious Business Class seats are more profitable then 12 First class seats in the nose of a 747 ...


Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © George Polfliet





cheers

Keesje
"Never mistake motion for action." Ernest Hemingway

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos