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Is United Changing All Their 747 Routes To 777

Thu Jan 31, 2002 9:03 pm

I've noticed alot of posts about United changing such and such a route from 747 service to the 777.

Are people really not flying them as much that they switch to a 777 which only holds about 50 or 60 less I think.

I like the 777 and all but it makes me hate it when it's being used on 747 routes.

747 all the way.

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RE: Is United Changing All Their 747 Routes To 777

Thu Jan 31, 2002 9:57 pm

United unofficially calls their 777s "money savers". Why? Terribly cheap to maintain, very efficient fuel burn, large seating capacity.

Fragmentation, or the tendency for airlines to fly smaller equipment with more frequency, is still in vogue. Why fly 1 full 744 and another 2/3 full 744 to Tokyo when you can fill 1 full 744 and 1 full 777?

When UA cut its schedule dramatically, of course they were also going to trim equipment capacity dramatically. Right now there are anywhere from 12-14 747-400s sitting inactive.

Don't worry--they'll get called back soon when United announces schedule additions.

So far, here are some (if not all) the routes where 777s have 'replaced' 744 service:

JFK-NRT: 1x daily
ORD-BJS: 1x daily (temporarily suspended soon) -- replaced SFO-BJS 744 service
SFO-NRT: 1x daily
SEA-NRT-BKK: 1x daily
* ORD-NRT: 1x daily (this 2nd daily flight was cancelled after 9/11 and now only 1 744 remains)

Rumoured: LAX-AKL and SFO-TPE

Notice how not THAT many 744s have been displaced.

Also, last year we saw some 744 displacing 777 equipment to Europe. While the 744 is a regular on the ORD-FRA run, and occassionally from IAD-LHR and IAD-FRA, the 744 was regularly scheduled on SFO-LHR, IAD-LHR, and IAD-FRA last summer.

There is no question that UA has been wanting to replace 747-400s with 777-derivatives for quite some time; rumours about this have spread throughout the company for more than a year. The only thing left to factor in the decision is: a) time, and b) -more importantly- money.

I think if Boeing can offload UA's 26 oldest 747-400s (leaving them with 18 newer ones), those would help to finance 777 replacements.

UA still needs 747-400s no doubt, just not 44.

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    RE: Is United Changing All Their 747 Routes To 777

    Thu Jan 31, 2002 10:34 pm

    I hope they keep their LAX-SYD 747 service
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    RE: Is United Changing All Their 747 Routes To 777

    Fri Feb 01, 2002 12:17 am

    What about those brand-new 777s which UA didn't take delivery of, I heard those 777s are still sitting at Seattle, the engines removed. Any news?
     
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    RE: Is United Changing All Their 747 Routes To 777

    Fri Feb 01, 2002 2:51 am

    Those 777s, 2824-2827 (N224UA-N227UA) are awaiting either powerplants or interiors. When they enter service, who knows where they will go?

    After them, United has 3 777-200ERs left on order.
     
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    RE: Is United Changing All Their 747 Routes To 777

    Fri Feb 01, 2002 3:45 am

    I think UA may sell off part of its 747-400 fleet.

    But do expect UA to keep about 30 744's; they will be primarily used on USA West Coast to Asia routes, where the potential demand for seats is VERY high. SFO-HKG will become very popular again by the fall of 2002; I think eventually UA may consider flying a second SFO-HKG non-stop flight, probably using an ETOPS 207 certified 777-200ER.
     
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    RE: Is United Changing All Their 747 Routes To 777

    Fri Feb 01, 2002 5:47 am

    the 777s at PAE are awaiting interior work... United is in no major hurry to bring them on board...

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    RE: Is United Changing All Their 747 Routes To 777

    Fri Feb 01, 2002 6:44 am

    Also with the 777s at PAE, while they have been delivered, it does take close to 6 weeks to pre-service them...which is happening as we speak. The thing with the engines is that UA has 777s that need engine changes and no avalible engines to do it with. Instead of having the already in service 777s being parked due to maintence, the engines on the 777s at PAE are being used as spares.

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    RE: Is United Changing All Their 747 Routes To 777

    Fri Feb 01, 2002 6:48 am

    I thought that a 777 from LAX-AKL/SYD was impossible due to current ETOPS restrictions? Can someone clarify?