737doctor
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American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Fri Feb 01, 2002 1:28 pm

Today we put the first American flag decals on one of our aircraft (N308SA). Word is that Colleen wants to put these on all of our planes. Way to go, Colleen!

The decals are located on both sides of the dorsal fin (forward of the base of the vertical stabilizer). The flag on the left side appears normally; the one on the right side is reversed.

Maybe this little bit of American patriotism will aggravate the anti-American crowd on this forum...at least I hope so.
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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Fri Feb 01, 2002 1:37 pm

Good to hear, I'm glad southwest is doing this. In a way, this seems symbolic of southwests continuing role as a leader of this country's airline industry!

Hurry up and paint the rest of those 737's with the new livery! How long do you estimate until the whole fleet (besides the three commemerative 737's) is repainted in the blue livery? At least 2/3 of the SWA flights I see everyday here at AUS seem to still have the old colors.

 
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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Fri Feb 01, 2002 1:54 pm

Hey, don't be in too big of a hurry; AUS is one of the few cities that still sees SWA 737-200s!  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Fri Feb 01, 2002 2:33 pm

my understanding was that the planes were to be repainted on an as-needed basis. That is to say that they repaint the planes only in D check, rather than do as Delta did (twice) and paint them even when they don't need fresh paint.

That's my understanding, anyway.

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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Fri Feb 01, 2002 3:33 pm

I would imagine the American flag would be very difficult to see with the new livery, no? Doesn't exactly stand out against the Canyon Blue color.
 
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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Fri Feb 01, 2002 4:47 pm

I thought every airplane had to wear the American flag; perhaps it's only been the case for airlines flying abroad?
(TWA, Pan-Am, Delta etc have/had all a small flag somewhere on the planes)
 
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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Fri Feb 01, 2002 5:34 pm

Perhaps the first step of Southwest going international?  Smile

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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Sat Feb 02, 2002 12:06 am

Not necessarily a going "international" thing. America West flies out of the United States and they don't have flags painted on their aircraft... same with Alaska Airlines, I think.

Can anyone shed any light on this subject, as to why some airlines have them and some don't? Are there special requirements that need to be met in order to put flags on? Is it just a choice of the carrier?

Thanks in advance!
 
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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Sat Feb 02, 2002 3:32 am

Answers to two questions:

#1. The repainting process will be a very gradual one. Our aircraft will only be painted on an as-needed basis and it will probably take another 3-4 years to fully complete. Remember, we try to save money whenever possible and painting aircraft is expensive.

#2. The flag decals I saw were on one of our original paint jobs and they stood out quite nicely. The canyon blue isn't very dark (it has a light purple hue really) and I think the flag should look fine against it. Incidentally, the aircraft in question (N308SA) is scheduled to be repainted in March.
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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Sat Feb 02, 2002 7:28 am

One star...I love it!!!
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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Mon Feb 04, 2002 12:51 pm

Ok, so which aircraft has that flag???? Do you have reg. number? Or is it 200? 300? 500? 700??

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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Mon Feb 04, 2002 12:58 pm

Lindy, the aircraft which has the flag is N308SA. It is a -300.
 
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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Mon Feb 04, 2002 1:22 pm

As I said earlier and 747-600X verified it was N308SA.

As (if) we put anymore decals on aircraft, I will pass on those tail #'s also.
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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Mon Feb 04, 2002 4:30 pm

737doc,
Having a hard time figuring out where you're referring to. You said "dorsal fin", is that the area that extends from base of the vert stab forward on to the top of the fusalage ? i.e. the area that the 200's don't have?

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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Mon Feb 04, 2002 4:40 pm

Barney you are correct. That area is described as the dorsal fin in the Boeing AMM.

I don't know where the decals will be located if the -200's get them. But we have a -200 getting a 1/4 D check right now, so I may know soon.
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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Mon Feb 04, 2002 5:08 pm

Yeah, it's pretty messed up that people gave this 1 star. Why? I guess it's WN jealously kicking in.....

News about WN is always welcome on this forum as far as I'm concerned. If I'm gonna fly economy I'm gonna fly SWA, unless I find a significantly cheaper fare with less connections, and even then I might still go with SWA simply due to loyalty. Sure, first class on AA, DL, UA etc. is better....but who's gonna pay 3x as much for a few extra inches unless the company's footing the bill?

Bottom line: WN is less expensive, probably more safe (have they EVER had an accident related fatality? I can't recall one, and that's damn impressive considering the massive number of hours swa has flown in the past 30 years), and more comfortable than economy on any other airline I can think of (admiteddly I have not flow AA economy with "more room"). Plus the smell of airline food makes me want to puke.

Long live swa.
 
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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Tue Feb 05, 2002 4:02 am

Thanks doc,

BTW, you guys are the best care anywhere. I'm still impressed after 10 years of seeing it. Headed to DAL today for my 2x a year "bounce in the box", back in a few days.
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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Tue Feb 05, 2002 4:35 am

take a look at nwa aircraft--largest u.s. flag on any aircraft----thats pride in my book.......good to hear wn starting this...
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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Tue Feb 05, 2002 4:43 am

737doctor---all I can say on behalf of those die-hard spotters (who also photograph) is THANKS for your info! It's great to have an insider share some info!

p.s. I read the article on Colleen Barrett in the USNews and World Report for the weeks of 12/31 and 1/7...AWESOME article and brilliant woman.
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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Tue Feb 05, 2002 5:25 am

Also, why does the flag on one side appear reversed? I've noticed that on other planes and also on intercity buses. Any idea?
 
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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Tue Feb 05, 2002 5:32 am

the flag is not 'reversed', that is how the flag looks if it is flying. Like When you look at one side of a flag pole versus the other. Ciao.
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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Tue Feb 05, 2002 8:21 am

Thank you for the kind words Barney. That really does mean a lot coming from our pilots. To show MY appreciation, I'm putting you on my respected users list.

KAUSpilot, thank you for your support of Southwest. We really do appreciate our customers. On every one of our pay stubs it says: Deposits made possible by your Southwest Customers.

Flpuck6, No problem. I enjoy giving an inside perspective on things. Even though I work on planes every day, I'm still crazy about them. I think that you have to be to make a career out of it.
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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Tue Feb 05, 2002 12:26 pm

The US flag, when displayed on an aircraft, ALWAYS has the stars to the front. Now how many of you "patriots" out there know the etiquette for display on a motor vehicle?
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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Tue Feb 05, 2002 1:23 pm

To display an American flag on a motor vehicle it must be presented on the right front fender of said vehicle.
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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Wed Feb 06, 2002 9:48 am

737doctor, do you have more info?
Or do you have if they will paint one aircraft in Maryland State c/s??? I heard rumor about it few months ago. Anything you can tell me?

Thanks,
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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Wed Feb 06, 2002 10:35 am

Maryland c/s. Talk about ugly. That's the most hideous color combination I can think of.
 
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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Wed Feb 06, 2002 1:37 pm

Honestly, I don't know if any new paint schemes are in the works. My guess would be no. We are still in a cost-cutting mode and designing a special paint scheme would cost $$$. Plus, the new spirit livery is still relatively new (it was unveiled this time last year).

I haven't seen any new decals on aircraft, but that may change soon. There are two A/C in 1/4 D here and they may get the decals. I was told that ALL of them were getting the new decals.

If they do, I will pass along the tail #'s.
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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Wed Feb 06, 2002 1:39 pm

Also, we have aircraft in heavy maintenance at various locations. If those planes get the decals, I wouldn't know about it.
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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Thu Feb 07, 2002 12:30 am

Maryland State c/s would look better then "Arizona One" c/s  Smile

Yesterday I missed by minutes "California One" at BWI.
I have all special c/s from WN - But I dont have "Shamu of California" and "Shamu of Ohio", the only Shamu I have is "Shamu of Texas".
We are big fans of WN here at BWI, so any info would be greatly appriciated.

Thanks,
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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Thu Feb 07, 2002 1:27 am

WN stated publicly that the new paint implementation would take approximately ten years..all during routine maintenance for the existing fleet.

It doesn't look too bad to see them mixed together (as they do at HOU).
 
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RE: No Patriotism - Just A Way To Make More Money

Thu Feb 07, 2002 1:33 am

OK...am I missing something here. I was always told that the US Flag meant that an US Airline could carry US mail. So this is not "Southwest showing it's patriotism".

I don't believe they carried mail b4
 
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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Thu Feb 07, 2002 1:57 am

Last June I was watching the rampers load a plane I was on in OKC with several bags labeled US Mail.
 
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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Thu Feb 07, 2002 3:52 am

OK...am I missing something here. I was always told that the US Flag meant that an US Airline could carry US mail. So this is not "Southwest showing it's patriotism".

Wrong. I worked for an airline for 6+ years that carried US mail. Not one of our aircraft had a American flag on it.
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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Thu Feb 07, 2002 7:51 am

737doctor---would you mind sending me an e-mail? I have some questions on the industry and was wondering if I could get your advice, being someone on the inside. If you'd prefer not to, that's fine, I understand.
Bonjour Chef!
 
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RE: American Flags On Southwest Aircraft

Thu Feb 07, 2002 11:44 am

Sure, no problem.

I'll do that later tonight...
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