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USA-Australia/NZ Non-stop

Sat Feb 02, 2002 1:38 am

Before United, Qantas, and Air New Zealand started using 747-400s, what types of aircraft were used in flying from the US to Australia and New Zealand? Were the older versions of the 747 able to make the trip nonstop? Did they have to make a technical stop en route? What planes were used before the 747?


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RE: USA-Australia/NZ Non-stop

Sat Feb 02, 2002 1:45 am

I dont remember all the details but for sure HNL was a stop. Also I think Tahiti and Fiji might have been stops. Though HNL was one of the main ones.
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RE: USA-Australia/NZ Non-stop

Sat Feb 02, 2002 2:51 am

Pre 747, Qantas used the 707 and Air NZ had the DC 8.

(And, in those days, BOAC flew Auckland, Fiji, Honolulu, SFO, JFK, LHR with a 707).

All trans-Pacific flights landed in Honolulu, with re-fuelling stops in either Fiji or Tahiti.

As the 747's were introduced, there were flights that didn't need the Fiji/Tahiti stops.

When Pan Am (which was using 707's) got the 747 SP, they began the first SYD/LAX non-stops.


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RE: USA-Australia/NZ Non-stop

Sat Feb 02, 2002 3:05 am

Don't forget that Air New Zealand used DC10-30s from AKL to LAX, via I think, mainly Honolulu. I travelled as a youngster from AKL right through to LHR back in 1977 on one. The flights from LAX to LHR were, for much of the late seventies operated by BA with British crews! A great plane and great service!
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RE: USA-Australia/NZ Non-stop

Sat Feb 02, 2002 7:16 am

Qantas used to operate combinations of the below:
SYD-LAX Boeing 747-38SP
SYD-SFO Boeing 747-38SP
SYD-HNL-LAX Boeing 747-238
CNS/BNE-HNL-LAX Boeing 747-238
SYD-PPT-LAX Boeing 747-238SCD
SYD-NAN-HNL-SFO Boeing 707-138/238
Although after the introduction of the B747-400 another interesting few were:
SYD-HNL-SFO Boeing 767-338ER
SYD-HNL-LAX-SFO Boeing 767-338ER
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RE: USA-Australia/NZ Non-stop

Sat Feb 02, 2002 11:48 am

I spoke to a QF pilot once, and he told me they used to operate a 742 nonstop on the SYD-LAX route as well, but it could not be fully loaded. Can anyone confirm that?
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RE: USA-Australia/NZ Non-stop

Sat Feb 02, 2002 12:00 pm

Back in 1991 when i was knee high to a grasshopper we went BNE-HNL-LAX in a 767, can't remember what type it was (i was only 8 at the time)
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RE: USA-Australia/NZ Non-stop

Sat Feb 02, 2002 12:40 pm

I have seen QF operate a 743 on the SYD-LAX nonstop route many years ago- presumably one of the SP's was undergoing maintenance.

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RE: USA-Australia/NZ Non-stop

Sat Feb 02, 2002 1:07 pm

The only "classic" 747 to do non-stop across the Pacific from Australia were the SP's. All the QF 200's and 300's (although I can never remember the 300's going to the west coast, to HNL yes but not LAX or SFO, I will stand corrected though) either stopped in HNL or PPT or via NAN and HNL.
I think NZ flew 200's AKL/LAX nonstop before their 400's arrived.
Some others to fly older equipment where CP Air who used DC8's and DC10's and 747's, all before they became Canadian, also AA flew 707's years ago and then DC10's more recently. HA have also used DC8's and L1011's.
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RE: USA-Australia/NZ Non-stop

Sat Feb 02, 2002 6:23 pm

NZ used to fly 742's AKL-LAX-LHR or FRA until 1998 99.
I remember UA and CO went AKL-HNL-LAX on 741's and 742's. UA, CO and AA all used DC10's aswell AA always did while UA and CO changed between the 10's and 747's. I can't remember what route BA flew when they came to AKL but towards the end I think they flew AKL-LAX-LHR on a 744.
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RE: USA-Australia/NZ Non-stop

Sun Feb 03, 2002 3:28 pm

BA didn't fly AKL-LAX-LHR towards the end although they do now under their codeshare with Qantas.

Their route to London was via Asia; either AKL-PER-BOM-LHR or via Singapore.
Not sure of the exact Singapore routing though.

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RE: USA-Australia/NZ Non-stop

Sun Feb 03, 2002 5:21 pm

Thanks for that NZ767 I did know at one stage they flew via BOM and PER.

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