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Re: Orlando Air Service Discussion Part 2

Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:41 pm

B6 and WS use Airside 1 so you won't have to go through security again.
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Re: Orlando Air Service Discussion Part 2

Tue Feb 28, 2017 1:54 pm

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Looking forward to trying out the JetBlue HAV flight in a few weeks. Coming back the same day that we fly MCO-YYC with WS. JetBlue and WestJet look to depart out of the same gate area correct? If so after clearing US Customs is there a way to stay in the secure area to go to our WS flight? Or do we have to go through security again?

They are both in Airside 1 but after you exit CBP (I'm guessing you are doing HAV-MCO-YYC) you will need to stay right and go through security. Just make sure you have your WestJet boarding pass or they will make you go back to the main terminal. If you are flying YYC-MCO-HAV with the first part on WS and the second part on B6 you will need to go to the main terminal to check in with B6 as you can not check-in online for a flight to Cuba.

Hope that helps you. Happy Jetting!
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Re: Orlando Air Service Discussion Part 2

Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:25 pm

Appreciate the answers. This started as a family trip to take the kids to Disneyworld with the grandparents, and then they said we could take off for a few days. Cuba is still on our list of countries to visit so the timing of the MCO-HAV flight coming online was perfect. So we'll have about a week in Orlando before we catch our flight to HAV. But yes on the way back we'll be flying home to YYC same day we get back from HAV (have about 5 hours), hopefully with wifi in HAV we can check in for our WS flight home and save ourselves the hassle of going back to the main terminal.
 
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Re: Orlando Air Service Discussion Part 2

Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:43 pm

c172akula wrote:
Looking forward to trying out the JetBlue HAV flight in a few weeks. Coming back the same day that we fly MCO-YYC with WS. JetBlue and WestJet look to depart out of the same gate area correct? If so after clearing US Customs is there a way to stay in the secure area to go to our WS flight? Or do we have to go through security again?
If you do want to venture off into the main terminal building there's a larger selection of fast food restaurants in the middle of the complex. I grab a bite to eat at the Chick-fil-a generally before departing, there is also chairs with plugs in them for your phone or computer, unfortunately it requires going back through security.
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Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:43 pm

What's the construction going on by gate 92?
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Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:10 pm

FIS expansion, additional FIS Gates plus an A380 dual deck capable gate.
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Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:11 pm

You know, I can really see Hainan being a good candidate for Asian service, ANA, JAL, KE, MU...they don't seem as likely where Hainan can do a non daily 787 to PVG, thoughts?
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Sun Mar 05, 2017 5:46 am

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You know, I can really see Hainan being a good candidate for Asian service, ANA, JAL, KE, MU...they don't seem as likely where Hainan can do a non daily 787 to PVG, thoughts?


I don't see that being likely. At 7005 nm, this would be the third longest 787 flight, after LHR-PER and SFO-SIN. HU's 789s are a decent bit denser than UA's and QFs, having 36 more seats than UA's, and UA's are rumored to occasionally need to block seats for SFO-SIN. I doubt blocking 40-50 seats or more would be good for the route's viability. It would also be the longest flight from MCO, topping DXB by 250+nm, and EK enjoys some advantages that HU probably wouldn't that make long haul from MCO work. I don't think China provides the sort of wealthy traffic needed to sustain that kind of ultra long haul flight.

I think ANA, JAL, or KE would be slightly more likely. Tokyo and ICN are a slightly less challenging 6300 and 6500 nm from MCO, so still far, but not pushing something like a 787 as far. It would also be comfortably in range of 77Ws, A35Ks, and 777Xs, which, if they could fill them, would help lower CASM for the trip. I also believe Japan is more known for having Orlando as a popular vacation destination, so the O&D might be better from there, not to mention ANA and JAL could benefit from all their Asian connections, helping to fill those seats ((I saw an article from back in 1996 saying Japan-Orlando was 450 PDEW, and I doubt it's gone down in the last 20 years). Another interesting thought in favor of KE and JAL in particular is that their alliance partners (AA and DL) offer service MCO-MIA, and we hear all the time on this site how much traffic there is to South Florida from Asia. DL's flight would need to be rescheduled to offer a better connection, but the point is you could capture both O&D to MCO and maybe a little bit of traffic to MIA.
 
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Re: Orlando Air Service Discussion Part 2

Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:37 am

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I think ANA, JAL, or KE would be slightly more likely. Tokyo and ICN are a slightly less challenging 6300 and 6500 nm from MCO, so still far, but not pushing something like a 787 as far. It would also be comfortably in range of 77Ws, A35Ks, and 777Xs, which, if they could fill them, would help lower CASM for the trip. I also believe Japan is more known for having Orlando as a popular vacation destination, so the O&D might be better from there, not to mention ANA and JAL could benefit from all their Asian connections, helping to fill those seats ((I saw an article from back in 1996 saying Japan-Orlando was 450 PDEW, and I doubt it's gone down in the last 20 years). Another interesting thought in favor of KE and JAL in particular is that their alliance partners (AA and DL) offer service MCO-MIA, and we hear all the time on this site how much traffic there is to South Florida from Asia. DL's flight would need to be rescheduled to offer a better connection, but the point is you could capture both O&D to MCO and maybe a little bit of traffic to MIA.
After I think about it, you're right about Tokyo, so if we had to narrow that down, I think ANA could easily make a 777 work.

I wonder how long it'll be until NK withdrawals from LBE now that they added PIT, virtually it's probably the same traffic.
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Sun Mar 05, 2017 12:24 pm

If Hainan were to come, it would be from PEK. And a triangle route with MIA. That being said, I think it's far more likely that they start MIA as a standalone route (Orlando is still as not as popular with Chinese tourists as it is with Japanese ones, in spite of other less prominent US destinations seeing a huge bump in Chinese tourists).
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Sun Mar 05, 2017 5:30 pm

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If Hainan were to come, it would be from PEK. And a triangle route with MIA. That being said, I think it's far more likely that they start MIA as a standalone route (Orlando is still as not as popular with Chinese tourists as it is with Japanese ones, in spite of other less prominent US destinations seeing a huge bump in Chinese tourists).

Are there numbers that actually show this as fact? I notice a heck of a lot more Chinese visitors here, than Japanese. I know quite a few of them are Chinese students visiting from other US cities, but even in the outlets they had decorations put up for Chinese New Year along with signs. There is a significant Vietnamese population here, but I think they were put up for the Chinese visitors.
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Are there numbers that actually show this as fact? I notice a heck of a lot more Chinese visitors here, than Japanese. I know quite a few of them are Chinese students visiting from other US cities, but even in the outlets they had decorations put up for Chinese New Year along with signs. There is a significant Vietnamese population here, but I think they were put up for the Chinese visitors.


2015 numbers indicate Tokyo is a much larger O&D market to MCO than any Chinese one...and by a significant number. Now, I haven't seen 2016, so perhaps it's grown, but I doubt PEK or PVG would overtake TYO. I fly PVG-MCO to go home twice a year, so I may be skewing the numbers ;)
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Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:47 pm

I hope AA expands out of MCO like US had a mini hub before they were aquired by AW.
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Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:59 pm

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You know, I can really see Hainan being a good candidate for Asian service, ANA, JAL, KE, MU...they don't seem as likely where Hainan can do a non daily 787 to PVG, thoughts?

MCO is years away from getting any type of service to Asia and if they do I'm sure it would be NRT.

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I wonder how long it'll be until NK withdrawals from LBE now that they added PIT, virtually it's probably the same traffic.

Two different targets within a market, it will be interesting to watch and see if NK can support both routes from MCO or if one gets cut or frequencies reduced.

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I hope AA expands out of MCO like US had a mini hub before they were aquired by AW.

Doubt that will happen.
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Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:31 pm

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Are there numbers that actually show this as fact? I notice a heck of a lot more Chinese visitors here, than Japanese. I know quite a few of them are Chinese students visiting from other US cities, but even in the outlets they had decorations put up for Chinese New Year along with signs. There is a significant Vietnamese population here, but I think they were put up for the Chinese visitors.


2015 numbers indicate Tokyo is a much larger O&D market to MCO than any Chinese one...and by a significant number. Now, I haven't seen 2016, so perhaps it's grown, but I doubt PEK or PVG would overtake TYO. I fly PVG-MCO to go home twice a year, so I may be skewing the numbers ;)


I found a older article(2013) that lists visitors by country. Japan and China are fairly close, but I'm sure the difference between NRT and one of the many airports in China is much bigger. What's surprising is that EZE doesn't see direct flights when there are that many visitors here from Argentina. Has there been a direct flight to EZE from MCO?

I found this old article that lists visitors by country
1. Canada- 3.56 million
2. Brazil- 1.6 million
3. UK- 1.58 million
4. Argentina- 603k
5. Venezuela- 451k
6. Mexico- 418k
7. Colombia- 369k
8. Germany- 346k
9. France- 290k
10. Australia- 278k
11. Japan- 278k
12. Spain- 249k
13. China- 231k
14. Peru
15. Italy- 170k
16. Sweden- 170k
17. Norway- 158k
18. Bahamas- 149k
19. Ecuador- 141k
20. Switzerland- 137k
21. Panama- 136k
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Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:32 pm

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I found a older article(2013) that lists visitors by country. Japan and China are fairly close, but I'm sure the difference between NRT and one of the many airports in China is much bigger. What's surprising is that EZE doesn't see direct flights when there are that many visitors here from Argentina. Has there been a direct flight to EZE from MCO?

I found this old article that lists visitors by country
1. Canada- 3.56 million
2. Brazil- 1.6 million
3. UK- 1.58 million
4. Argentina- 603k
5. Venezuela- 451k
6. Mexico- 418k
7. Colombia- 369k
8. Germany- 346k
9. France- 290k
10. Australia- 278k
11. Japan- 278k
12. Spain- 249k
13. China- 231k
14. Peru
15. Italy- 170k
16. Sweden- 170k
17. Norway- 158k
18. Bahamas- 149k
19. Ecuador- 141k
20. Switzerland- 137k
21. Panama- 136k


On your point about EZE, I wonder if Norwegian's new airline there (once operations start) would launch a route like EZE-MCO.
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Wed Mar 08, 2017 2:55 am

EZE-MCO is a gap in MCO's SA service, a lot connect through GRU.
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Are there numbers that actually show this as fact? I notice a heck of a lot more Chinese visitors here, than Japanese. I know quite a few of them are Chinese students visiting from other US cities, but even in the outlets they had decorations put up for Chinese New Year along with signs. There is a significant Vietnamese population here, but I think they were put up for the Chinese visitors.


2015 numbers indicate Tokyo is a much larger O&D market to MCO than any Chinese one...and by a significant number. Now, I haven't seen 2016, so perhaps it's grown, but I doubt PEK or PVG would overtake TYO. I fly PVG-MCO to go home twice a year, so I may be skewing the numbers ;)


I found a older article(2013) that lists visitors by country. Japan and China are fairly close, but I'm sure the difference between NRT and one of the many airports in China is much bigger. What's surprising is that EZE doesn't see direct flights when there are that many visitors here from Argentina. Has there been a direct flight to EZE from MCO?

I found this old article that lists visitors by country
1. Canada- 3.56 million
2. Brazil- 1.6 million
3. UK- 1.58 million
4. Argentina- 603k
5. Venezuela- 451k
6. Mexico- 418k
7. Colombia- 369k
8. Germany- 346k
9. France- 290k
10. Australia- 278k
11. Japan- 278k
12. Spain- 249k
13. China- 231k
14. Peru
15. Italy- 170k
16. Sweden- 170k
17. Norway- 158k
18. Bahamas- 149k
19. Ecuador- 141k
20. Switzerland- 137k
21. Panama- 136k


Where is the article? Those numbers make no sense. 170k Italians to Orlando? No way. And that many Norwegians when the O&D wasn't even 15k annual passengers back then? Again, no way.
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2015 numbers indicate Tokyo is a much larger O&D market to MCO than any Chinese one...and by a significant number. Now, I haven't seen 2016, so perhaps it's grown, but I doubt PEK or PVG would overtake TYO. I fly PVG-MCO to go home twice a year, so I may be skewing the numbers ;)


I found a older article(2013) that lists visitors by country. Japan and China are fairly close, but I'm sure the difference between NRT and one of the many airports in China is much bigger. What's surprising is that EZE doesn't see direct flights when there are that many visitors here from Argentina. Has there been a direct flight to EZE from MCO?

I found this old article that lists visitors by country
1. Canada- 3.56 million
2. Brazil- 1.6 million
3. UK- 1.58 million
4. Argentina- 603k
5. Venezuela- 451k
6. Mexico- 418k
7. Colombia- 369k
8. Germany- 346k
9. France- 290k
10. Australia- 278k
11. Japan- 278k
12. Spain- 249k
13. China- 231k
14. Peru
15. Italy- 170k
16. Sweden- 170k
17. Norway- 158k
18. Bahamas- 149k
19. Ecuador- 141k
20. Switzerland- 137k
21. Panama- 136k


Where is the article? Those numbers make no sense. 170k Italians to Orlando? No way. And that many Norwegians when the O&D wasn't even 15k annual passengers back then? Again, no way.


I thought I posted the link. Unfortunately, now that I look at the article again, it is "Florida" visitors and not "Orlando" visitors.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/tourism/tourism-central-florida-blog/os-where-do-they-come-from-20130815-photogallery.html
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EZE-MCO is a gap in MCO's SA service, a lot connect through GRU.

One of my contractors are from Argentina. His employee just went home to Buenos Aires and he double connected to get there. MCO-LIM-SCL-EZE. He said it was normal, as it's usually the cheapest option.
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Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:07 pm

Aerolineas Argentinas served MCO the better part of two decades ago, but hasn't been back since. If Norwegian successfully sets up a low-fare, long-haul hub in Argentina, MCO 2-3x a week would seem like a prime candidate for service.
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Thu Mar 09, 2017 3:39 pm

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Aerolineas Argentinas served MCO the better part of two decades ago, but hasn't been back since. If Norwegian successfully sets up a low-fare, long-haul hub in Argentina, MCO 2-3x a week would seem like a prime candidate for service.

That is a long time ago but an interesting bit of history since I doubt many people knew AR ever served MCO. I for one would hope Norwegian would start EZE-MCO/FLL.
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Thu Mar 09, 2017 3:46 pm

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Aerolineas Argentinas served MCO the better part of two decades ago, but hasn't been back since. If Norwegian successfully sets up a low-fare, long-haul hub in Argentina, MCO 2-3x a week would seem like a prime candidate for service.

That is a long time ago but an interesting bit of history since I doubt many people knew AR ever served MCO. I for one would hope Norwegian would start EZE-MCO/FLL.
DY would be the best option because it's non daily so there's not excess seats in the market to begin with.
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Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:49 pm

JJ is bring back GIG x3 weekly in July. Probably seasonal, but possibly a sign of improvement in the Brazil/USA market?
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JJ is bring back GIG x3 weekly in July. Probably seasonal, but possibly a sign of improvement in the Brazil/USA market?


Not seasonal. They are replacing their GIG-JFK for GIG-MCO.
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Not seasonal. They are replacing their GIG-JFK for GIG-MCO.

Fantastic news! This is a good sign and long overdue.

So here is the line up for flights from MCO to Brazil:
JJ - MCO-GRU
JJ - MCO-GIG
AD - MCO-VCP
AD - MCO-REC
DL - MCO-GRU

On another note AD has applied for MCO-CNF again.
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Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:09 pm

I find it interesting that it took so long for AA to add a club back to MCO. USAirways had one for years, and yet the TPA clubroom survived. It would also be nice to see Alaska move closer to AA, since Alaska has a cozy relationship with AA (plus it would be nice to use the club before hopping on AS to SAN or SEA).

Regarding growth, I'm hearing Copa is going to add yet *another* flight to Panama City. Amazing what they've done to Panama City. On my flights from Santiago, CL and Buenos Aires, it was interesting talking with the flight crews at how people are actually going to PTY - on both flights the FAs said it was barely double digits.
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Another discussion of Asia to MCO traffic got me thinking and I had a wild thought: what about ANA using the A380 on an MCO run? We've established that there's a large number of PDEW (350-450 have been numbers thrown around). however, being mostly leisure, they are theoretically less choosy about schedule. If ANA goes for a pretty dense say 600-700 seat configuration on the A380, they could help keep CASM down (always the challenge with long haul leisure) and run the flights a few days a week. If theres a total of 2800 PWEW (400 PDEW), and 70% aren't pickey about the day of the week, they could run a 650 seat A380 3x weekly and handle those passengers. Any predictions on the HNL schedules? Will the A380s be dedicated on that route daily? If those flights won't be taking up the whole fleet, they could split them between the two destinations.
 
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Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:07 pm

That's good news for MCO, I suspect the next SA addition outside of Brazil would be EZE. I'm actually surprised REC made it this far.
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Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:58 pm

https://orlandoairports.net/press/2017/03/08/orlando-international-airport-begins-2017-positive-traffic-note/

Domestic traffic climbed 5.88 percent with 3,164,397 total travelers at MCO
International traffic declined 8.5 percent in January with 451,906 passengers
Overall passenger volume increased 3.84 percent with 3,616,303 total travelers
On a rolling 12-month basis MCO now breaks the 42 million annual passenger mark with a 7.29 percent increase, representing 42,057,023 travelers


Just quickly glancing over the 1/16 and 1/17 numbers without doing any calculations, the biggest losers(without considering any change of capacity)look to be LH, VS, and JJ.

https://orlandoairports.net/site/uploads/2015/09/paxs201601.pdf 2016
https://orlandoairports.net/site/uploads/paxs201701.pdf 2017

It will be interesting to see February numbers, and see if the trend continues. This can have a snowball effect on the local economy.
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:45 pm

Is the South Terminal Complex (STC) that's being built going to replace Terminal B/Airsides 3 and 4?
 
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Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:23 pm

No. Additional terminal.
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I don't know about y'all but I'm excited to see how this new terminal looks, it probably won't house DL so I'll have to fly another airline to get in there, any idea how this will stimulate the traffic coming to the airport? I use the 417-W since 4-W is becoming too crowded, what will this mean for the 417?
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No. Additional terminal.


Oh I see now, it going to be called Terminal C. Thanks!
 
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Regarding growth, I'm hearing Copa is going to add yet *another* flight to Panama City. Amazing what they've done to Panama City. On my flights from Santiago, CL and Buenos Aires, it was interesting talking with the flight crews at how people are actually going to PTY - on both flights the FAs said it was barely double digits.

Not a total surprise.

tjh8402 wrote:
Another discussion of Asia to MCO traffic got me thinking and I had a wild thought: what about ANA using the A380 on an MCO run? We've established that there's a large number of PDEW (350-450 have been numbers thrown around). however, being mostly leisure, they are theoretically less choosy about schedule. If ANA goes for a pretty dense say 600-700 seat configuration on the A380, they could help keep CASM down (always the challenge with long haul leisure) and run the flights a few days a week. If theres a total of 2800 PWEW (400 PDEW), and 70% aren't pickey about the day of the week, they could run a 650 seat A380 3x weekly and handle those passengers. Any predictions on the HNL schedules? Will the A380s be dedicated on that route daily? If those flights won't be taking up the whole fleet, they could split them between the two destinations.

Not going to happen. There is no way an Asian carrier will serve MCO before MIA let alone with an A380.

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That's good news for MCO, I suspect the next SA addition outside of Brazil would be EZE. I'm actually surprised REC made it this far.

It would be nice to see LATAM add BSB back. Just wait, in about a year or two Norwegian will be flying EZE-MCO ;)

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Just quickly glancing over the 1/16 and 1/17 numbers without doing any calculations, the biggest losers(without considering any change of capacity)look to be LH, VS, and JJ.

Well JJ cut BSB and went to one daily flight from two. LH is probably because of strikes or EK is cutting into their traffic. VS has competition from Thomas Cook and Norwegian plus if I remember correctly they cut down on the number of flights.
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Update on potential South(international) Terminal architecture.

So far it looks good. This expansion is much needed. The airport is running out of room especially for international flights.
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How many gates will the South Terminal add for MCO?
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Re: Orlando Air Service Discussion Part 2

Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:29 pm

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How many gates will the South Terminal add for MCO?

16 gates for part one. In total it could have up to 160 gates.
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Re: Orlando Air Service Discussion Part 2

Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:54 pm

dabpit wrote:

flymco753 wrote:
That's good news for MCO, I suspect the next SA addition outside of Brazil would be EZE. I'm actually surprised REC made it this far.

It would be nice to see LATAM add BSB back. Just wait, in about a year or two Norwegian will be flying EZE-MCO ;)


The economy down there still isn't that good. Daily protests it seems like, at least that's what I observed and my ex tells me (he's Argentine). I think we'll see SCL-MCO before EZE-MCO. Was still interesting watching the currency ride during my month down there in December. Chile & even Uruguay seemed super stable against the USD.

Apparently AD's next route is VCP-EZE with the A330. And that makes sense, we bought tickets on QR GRU-EZE, 2 weeks before the flight the folks on Loadshare (fb) said it had about 165 open seats. Guy at the counter told us it had only 35 open, and GOL was full (they were booked about 1/2 full the same time we asked for QR). So quite the robust changes in both Brazil and Argentina, so I'd think AD would capitalize, or try to, on MCO-EZE via VCP if they can. Friends at AD said both FLL/MCO have their "super bad" days, but overall do well with maybe 10-15 open seats on the peak days.
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Re: Orlando Air Service Discussion Part 2

Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:07 pm

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The economy down there still isn't that good. Daily protests it seems like, at least that's what I observed and my ex tells me (he's Argentine). I think we'll see SCL-MCO before EZE-MCO. Was still interesting watching the currency ride during my month down there in December. Chile & even Uruguay seemed super stable against the USD.

LATAM flies SCL-MCO 2 times a week seasonally.

usxguy wrote:
Apparently AD's next route is VCP-EZE with the A330. And that makes sense, we bought tickets on QR GRU-EZE, 2 weeks before the flight the folks on Loadshare (fb) said it had about 165 open seats. Guy at the counter told us it had only 35 open, and GOL was full (they were booked about 1/2 full the same time we asked for QR). So quite the robust changes in both Brazil and Argentina, so I'd think AD would capitalize, or try to, on MCO-EZE via VCP if they can. Friends at AD said both FLL/MCO have their "super bad" days, but overall do well with maybe 10-15 open seats on the peak days.

If AD adds VCP-EZE with the A330, that would be a nice add-on to and from MCO.
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Re: Orlando Air Service Discussion Part 2

Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:24 pm

In the back of my Lyft and just drove by the remote parking off of the 528, there are 11 B6, 6 or 7 AA, and 1 or 2 Fronteir jets parked out there. I've never seen so many! I assume NE weather?
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Re: Orlando Air Service Discussion Part 2

Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:18 am

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In the back of my Lyft and just drove by the remote parking off of the 528, there are 11 B6, 6 or 7 AA, and 1 or 2 Fronteir jets parked out there. I've never seen so many! I assume NE weather?
Big time, B6 took over the pad like mosquitos mid summer, they're everwhere.
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Re: Orlando Air Service Discussion Part 2

Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:05 am

flymco753 wrote:
mcogator wrote:
In the back of my Lyft and just drove by the remote parking off of the 528, there are 11 B6, 6 or 7 AA, and 1 or 2 Fronteir jets parked out there. I've never seen so many! I assume NE weather?
Big time, B6 took over the pad like mosquitos mid summer, they're everwhere.

I took a picture on takeoff that turned out blurry but I will post once I get to my place. Only 15 planes left around my 8pm departure time.
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Re: Orlando Air Service Discussion Part 2

Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:58 pm

LATAM removed the A350 after the start of GIG, but increased frequency to 2x daily GRU.
 
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Re: Orlando Air Service Discussion Part 2

Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:06 pm

It's a matter of time before Spirit adds MCO to IND and CMH.
 
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Re: Orlando Air Service Discussion Part 2

Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:07 pm

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It's a matter of time before Spirit adds MCO to IND and CMH.
More than likely not.
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Re: Orlando Air Service Discussion Part 2

Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:19 pm

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LATAM removed the A350 after the start of GIG, but increased frequency to 2x daily GRU.
Historically they've ran 2x daily in the summer, yes they also run 2 76Ws as well, GIG will also be a 76W.

LATAM operations this summer will look like;
2x daily GRU 76W
3x weekly GIG 76W
1x daily LIM 320
2x weekly SCL 787
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Re: Orlando Air Service Discussion Part 2

Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:45 pm

fsafsx wrote:
It's a matter of time before Spirit adds MCO to IND and CMH.


I would be mildly surprised if they added MCO to IND, IND already has DL/F9/WN/G4 flying to MCO I don't know if the demand is there for another flight to orlando. CMH might come first because they only have DL/F9/WN and LCK-MCO on G4. Personally I don't want any more ULCC in IND!
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Re: Orlando Air Service Discussion Part 2

Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:38 pm

flymco753 wrote:
LATAM operations this summer will look like;
2x daily GRU 76W
3x weekly GIG 76W
1x daily LIM 320
2x weekly SCL 787

Lets see if they will bring BSB back with 2 or 3 flights a week.

fsafsx wrote:
It's a matter of time before Spirit adds MCO to IND and CMH.

Midwestindy wrote:
I would be mildly surprised if they added MCO to IND, IND already has DL/F9/WN/G4 flying to MCO I don't know if the demand is there for another flight to orlando. CMH might come first because they only have DL/F9/WN and LCK-MCO on G4. Personally I don't want any more ULCC in IND!

G4 flies to SFB not MCO. The next round of NK flights might be to a few of these CMH, DAY, MDT, ABE, ROC, ALB, SDF, LIT, OKC, or ICT.
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Re: Orlando Air Service Discussion Part 2

Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:57 pm

dabpit wrote:
fsafsx wrote:
It's a matter of time before Spirit adds MCO to IND and CMH.

Midwestindy wrote:
I would be mildly surprised if they added MCO to IND, IND already has DL/F9/WN/G4 flying to MCO I don't know if the demand is there for another flight to orlando. CMH might come first because they only have DL/F9/WN and LCK-MCO on G4. Personally I don't want any more ULCC in IND!

G4 flies to SFB not MCO. The next round of NK flights might be to a few of these CMH, DAY, MDT, ABE, ROC, ALB, SDF, LIT, OKC, or ICT.
NK is done with those types of markets, CAK came to show that so it's more likely you'll see cities of the larger caliber getting NK service, and NK will continue to expand DTW, IAH, BWI, DFW, and LAS predominately. Not saying that eventually they may get service, but right now it's very unlikely in the near term. You'll probably see more the lines of DTW-BNA or IAH-CLT.
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Re: Orlando Air Service Discussion Part 2

Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:10 pm

iFlyDTW wrote:
NK is done with those types of markets, CAK came to show that so it's more likely you'll see cities of the larger caliber getting NK service, and NK will continue to expand DTW, IAH, BWI, DFW, and LAS predominately. Not saying that eventually they may get service, but right now it's very unlikely in the near term. You'll probably see more the lines of DTW-BNA or IAH-CLT.

I don't think they are done with those markets. They will of course continue to connect current points in the network but they will also open up new markets not served.
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