Mr AirNZ
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Saab Replacement

Sat Feb 02, 2002 4:44 pm

What do you think would be a good turboprop replacement of the Saab 340.


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I think the only thing out there would be the Dornier 328-100 (Does Dornier still make them?).


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RE: Saab Replacement

Sat Feb 02, 2002 11:14 pm

Replace it with the Saab RJ (heeheehee)  Big thumbs up

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RE: Saab Replacement

Sun Feb 03, 2002 12:24 am

At Express Airlines I, Northwest Airlink, we are replacing them with the 44 seat and 50 seat CRJ. Slowly taking over as we continue to give Mesaba our B model Saabs and return the A models to the leasers.
 
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RE: Saab Replacement

Sun Feb 03, 2002 1:38 am

The only turboprop in production suitable to fill the gap of the ageing 340's are the DHC-8 Q300! There are still many places RJ's wont be able to operate du to short fields and noise regulations  Smile
 
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RE: Saab Replacement

Sun Feb 03, 2002 1:45 am

Don't replace the saab, nice aircraft.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Saab Replacement

Sun Feb 03, 2002 3:59 am

Gr325 is right- I just flew on one last weekend and the Saab family is the nicest group of turboprops I've flown on- much better than the DHC-8 series IMHO.
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RE: Saab Replacement

Sun Feb 03, 2002 4:03 am

I think the Saab is unreplacable in my opinion but I know the major concern is the cost of operation so I would say another turboprop is out of the question because the regional jets will become the norm in the years to come.

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RE: Saab Replacement

Sun Feb 03, 2002 5:15 am

From a pax point of perspective the Fokker 50 is just amazingly comfortable. The SAAB does not even comes close to the PW125B powered Fokker 50. Even with active noise surpression systems, the competition doesn't match its superior comfort. From a bean counter perspective the Fokker is much less atractive however; it's heavy, not particular fast [but not particular slow either] and costly. Which is why it never saw service in North America. However it appealed to a lot of European carriers for their ICA connecting traffic.
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RE: Saab Replacement

Sun Feb 03, 2002 6:20 am

Don't replace it its a beast. I love it and I think it should be around for another 10-15 years at least
 
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RE: Saab Replacement

Sun Feb 03, 2002 9:08 am

The best replacement for Saab 340 is...

Another Saab 340!  Smile
 
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RE: Saab Replacement

Sun Feb 03, 2002 1:57 pm

There is NO replacement for that great gal, but she will be soon enough- with a regional jet. Props are on their way out....

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RE: Saab 340 Replacement

Sun Feb 03, 2002 3:36 pm

I hope the Saab 340 will be around for a few years yet. Big thumbs up It's one of the aircraft I've flown on the most, and I don't have any real complaints (as a passenger) other than feeling a bit claustrophobic, especially when it's a full flight.

The Saab 340 with BA livery looks great!  Big thumbs up

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RE: Saab 340 Replacement

Sun Feb 03, 2002 3:52 pm

The SAAB was a real pleasure to fly. Maybe a bit underpowered on hot days with the old "A" models I flew, but a gem none the less. They handled beautifully, and I wish I'd had more time in them. My old airline is already phasing them out, replacing them with EMB-145's. Sad to see them go.

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RE: Saab Replacement

Sun Feb 03, 2002 6:12 pm

It is a shame that props are on the way out. I just love the saab.  Big thumbs up


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RE: Saab Replacement

Sun Feb 03, 2002 7:22 pm

Saabs are not bad planes. They do have their pluses and minuses. Pilots tell me that they are pretty good cold-weather planes. They seem to be fairly reliable and efficient. But, newer jet competitors are available that can handle more cargo and go faster.

Today, on my ramp, for example, we took a big delay on a flight with a lot of military people (who always pack huge duffels) for being overweight and had to pull passengers. If it was a CRJ, it wouldn't be a problem. It seems like you can literally fit a small car in the cargo bin of a CRJ. After all, the CRJ cargo bin is quite sizable and the max weight limit is 3500 lbs.

I would love to see Saab reenter the commuter aircraft market with a jet version of the 340 though. Maybe I will see N423XJ at work tomorrow and it will have some new mods  Smile
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RE: Saab Replacement

Sun Feb 03, 2002 9:38 pm

I think the Dahs 8-Q200 is the only 30-40 seater with turboprops still in production (not sure if Embraer would still be willing to build the E120s if they would get orders for it). The Dornier 328-110 is not in produstion anymore, afaik, the Jetstream 41 and Saab 340 are gone. Next close would probably be the ATR42-500 which quite a few airlines operate in a Y44 lay-out
 
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RE: Saab Replacement

Sun Feb 03, 2002 11:26 pm

SAABs aren't so good planes at all. Lithuanian Airlines things they are one of the worst there could be. In the last 2 years their fleet of four SAABs (2 340B and 2 2000) had three emergency landings because computers shown that gear is not fixed and even one engine quit in flight. LAL's fleet of 3 737 (4 737 just few years ago) didn't had any problems in all airlines history (the only problem with LAL 737 ever happened was in 1992, when 732 get out of runway in landing. But this was because of pilot error -- plane was one of first LAL western planes in fleet pilots only knew how to fly Yak-42 and they didn't knew 737 landing speed. Howevr, plane wasn't damaged much, was repaired, and carried LAL livery for another 3 or 4 yearsuntil was sold and changed to 737-500)
 
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RE: Saab Replacement

Sun Feb 03, 2002 11:30 pm

Sorry for bad English  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Saab Replacement

Mon Feb 04, 2002 12:44 am

Dear Sonic!
Its always the problem with products that ended production, no more developement on the allready flying
ones. But the SAAB2000 have a clean record and I sincerely hope there will not be any crashes with this
plane, the SAAB340 had a few crashes in Taiwan and
Holland. Seem like the days of the turbo-prop is gone,
jet engined planes seem to rule...
From New Yorqatar to Califarbia...
 
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RE: Saab Replacement

Mon Feb 04, 2002 3:23 am

I guess that Air NZ could replaced the Saab's with ATR42-500 as they already operate it's bigger brother.
 
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RE: Saab Replacement

Mon Feb 04, 2002 6:00 am

I think we won't see a replacement for the Saab 340 and 2000 anytime soon.

Unlike most turboprops, the Saab planes are quite fast, which means they can fly fairly long flights quickly. I think the relatively slow cruise speed of the ATR72 is the reason why American Eagle sent most of them to the Caribbean, where the short runway requirement of the ATR72 is very useful on many of the small islands in the Lesser Antilles.
 
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RE: Saab Replacement

Mon Feb 04, 2002 6:54 am

If you have to go jet, I really believe the 328JET is a great little machine. Flew on it once YUL- BOS. Fun.


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