donder10
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Will Easyjeys Policy Of Flying 2 Big Airports Fail

Tue Feb 05, 2002 9:37 pm

Sort of ran out of space for the title there!
Do you think that Easyjet will start to regret flying into bigger airports(AMS etc) rather than the usual low-cost carriers policy of flying into smaller airports such as Charleroi where they can charge discounts?
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RE: Will Easyjeys Policy Of Flying 2 Big Airports Fail

Tue Feb 05, 2002 9:49 pm

I think it depends on the the particular airport. An Airport like Heathrow, where slots are valued in gold and a slot at a favorable time (like 8-9 AM or 6-7 PM) is even more precious, a low-cost carrier will have a tough time outbidding the more established airlines. But if the airport is not operating at peak capacity and has some attractive slots available, why not?

Charles
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RE: Will Easyjeys Policy Of Flying 2 Big Airports Fail

Tue Feb 05, 2002 9:53 pm

Does not AMS have four runways so it can accept more capacity?

Do airlines pay for the slot or are they allocated or grandfathered in!
 
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RE: Will Easyjeys Policy Of Flying 2 Big Airports Fail

Tue Feb 05, 2002 9:54 pm

Easyjet is not like Ryanair. For example, Easyjet operates many flights from quite big airports: AMS, GVA, NCE, Gatwick and soon, if they manage to get slots, ORY.
http://www.easyjet.com/fr/news/orlyfeedback.asp
EZ wants to make ORLY a hub, such as Luton or Geneva, and Orly is not such a small airport. Ryanair would never operate flights between Orly and Gatwick, contrary to Easyjet.
 
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RE: Will Easyjeys Policy Of Flying 2 Big Airports Fail

Tue Feb 05, 2002 9:54 pm

a low-cost carrier will have a tough time outbidding the more established airlines

Slots in the EU are allocated, they are not up for sale. The question is about fees the airports charge and turn-around times guaranteed by the airports.
 
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RE: Will Easyjeys Policy Of Flying 2 Big Airports Fail

Tue Feb 05, 2002 10:01 pm


Some UK airports have regulations about their charghes thrust upon them (from http://www.caaerg.co.uk):

Quinquennial Reviews of Designated Airports

Under the Airports Act 1986 the CAA has to reset price caps on airport charges generally every five years at airports designated by the Secretary of State. The airports currently designated are Heathrow, Gatwick, Stansted and Manchester. Before it can set a price cap the CAA must , consistently with the Airports Act, make a reference to the Competition Commission unless the Secretary of State directs otherwise. The reference asks the Commission to report on what the maximum limit on airport charges for the following period of five years should be, and whether, since the date of the previous reference, the airport has pursued a course of conduct contrary to the public interest.

Following a decision by the CAA in May 1999 to extend the current price caps at the BAA London airports into a sixth year (the maximum extension the Airports Act allows) the price caps at Heathrow, Gatwick, Stansted and Manchester will each expire on 31 March 2003. New price caps will have to be set for the period from 1 April 2003 to 31 March 2008. The CAA will therefore be reviewing the BAA London airports and Manchester in parallel.

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RE: Will Easyjeys Policy Of Flying 2 Big Airports Fail

Tue Feb 05, 2002 10:06 pm

Vfw614,

Yes, they are allocated, but how? I don't know the answer, but I expect that the buddy-buddy system is quite strong - the best slots are those with clout, be it political (not just government, this includes how often you invite the airport manager to dinner) or economic (i.e. the airport will give favorable slots to an airline that plans a couple hundred flights per week.) A small airline can't promise the custom that a British Airways or BMI can.

Like I said, I don't know the actual mechanics of these slot allocations - these are just my observations off the top of my head.

Charles
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greenjet
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RE: Will Easyjeys Policy Of Flying 2 Big Airports Fail

Tue Feb 05, 2002 11:02 pm

easyJet and Ryanair's target markets are totally different. easyJet is concentrating on attracting business travellers while Ryanair is concentrating mainly on leisure and VFR pax. Business travellers don't want to fly to secondary airports. easyJet are trying to establish themselves at airports like AMS and LGW while the industry is in a lull and pick up price-sensitive business pax in the process.
 
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RE: Will Easyjeys Policy Of Flying 2 Big Airports Fail

Wed Feb 06, 2002 12:54 am

Yep, I agree with easyjet, oops I mean greenjet.

I guess the presence in Luton suits mainly the leisure traveller, the presence in Gatwick mainly suits the business traveller.

And presence anywhere in the UK suits all of us!

Regards

 
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RE: Will Easyjeys Policy Of Flying 2 Big Airports Fail

Wed Feb 06, 2002 2:33 am

Cfalk, all slots are allocated via the grand fathers rights. This means if you already operate to the airport you get first choice. If there are slots left than any airline may apply at the slot coordinator. This is usually an independent body which governs the slots.

As for the subject. I think EZY has made a very good move not to fly to second rate airports. These airports usually attract better loads and if for the choice passengers will go to a large airport with many facilities.

Regards
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RE: Will Easyjeys Policy Of Flying 2 Big Airports Fail

Wed Feb 06, 2002 6:53 am

Eugdog,

AMS indeed has four runways (fifth one will be added by the end of this year). However, for noise abatement, most of them are used only to/from one direction. This means that a given runway can be used only for departures or arrivals, bot not both at the same time. An airport with two paralel runways (like LHR) would have approx the same capacity as AMS, provided that the two paralel runways are both used in mixed mode configuration.


Greenjet,

What are VFR pax? Will they fly only with Visual Flight Rules. Than they better moveout to PHX or LAS Wink/being sarcastic


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RE: Will Easyjeys Policy Of Flying 2 Big Airports Fail

Wed Feb 06, 2002 7:05 am

There are too many acronyms nowadays  Smile By VFR I meant Visiting Friends and Relatives.