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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:41 am

MileHFL400 wrote:
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kimimm19 wrote:

I would think lower maintenance costs as well...

Actually, this is here the 787 has an important advantage.


I believe so to. Add to the fact that the 787 doesn't suffer from metal fatigue


We are now entering the ERA where original sales presentations about maintenance advantages have been forgotten. Hundreds of Dreamliners are in service, get out of warranty, are pulled into hangers, components get into shops for overhaul & bills are send out. Boeing has decided they want to tripple their aftermarket income in a short period and fight to keep control of the 787 to recoup their high investments.

That's the real world environment of developping 787 maintenance. The old Boeing powerpoints are achieved.
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Sun Jun 25, 2017 11:35 am

MileHFL400 wrote:
I believe so to. Add to the fact that the 787 doesn't suffer from metal fatigue


Looking closely, that is only valid for the (C)FRP parts. Fasteners and all the titanium brackets holding the Dreamliner together ... not so much :-)
Add in that checking on parts that involve *FRP is more expensive ..
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:07 am

Is the A330neo using the same cockpit as the 330 or will it be the same as the A350?
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Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:12 am

LoganTheBogan wrote:
Is the A330neo using the same cockpit as the 330 or will it be the same as the A350?


Identical as the 330
 
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:46 pm

Close-up on the first Trent 7000 engines, just before they had been shipped to TLS last month:

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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:52 pm

Curious to know why Rolls didn't retain the same nacelle design as the one on the 700.
 
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:18 pm

maortega15 wrote:
Curious to know why Rolls didn't retain the same nacelle design as the one on the 700.


I assume that is an Airbus decision.
 
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:43 pm

How large is the fan diameter on the NEO?
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:25 pm

gatibosgru wrote:
How large is the fan diameter on the NEO?


The Trent 7000 fan is 112" in diameter ( up from 97" on the T700 ), the same size as the Trent 1000, so it will
look almost identical, although it shares more architecture & features from the T1000-TEN.
 
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:30 pm

Will it also have the shark teeth nacelles like the T1000? Would look good on the MRTT.
 
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:32 pm

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Will it also have the shark teeth nacelles like the T1000? Would look good on the MRTT.

Negative. That's only found on the 748, 787 and the MAX.

Never really liked the look of it tbh but I digress.
 
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:31 pm

thepinkmachine wrote:
LoganTheBogan wrote:
Is the A330neo using the same cockpit as the 330 or will it be the same as the A350?


Identical as the 330

The A330 cockpit layout has been updated over the years. The neo's cockpit is not as "modern" as the A350 cockpit, but it's nevertheless very modern. Cheers.
 
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Mon Jul 03, 2017 12:00 am

Tedd wrote:
gatibosgru wrote:
How large is the fan diameter on the NEO?

The Trent 7000 fan is 112" in diameter ( up from 97" on the T700 ), the same size as the Trent 1000, so it will
look almost identical, although it shares more architecture & features from the T1000-TEN.

Here is the Rolls Royce product info page:
https://www.rolls-royce.com/products-an ... -7000.aspx
 
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Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:59 am

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Here is the Rolls Royce product info page:

Aah.....so RR readily gives the A338 image that the Airbus site is quite stingy about..... :bigthumbsup: .....

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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:42 pm

The curvature of the engine pylon to accommodate the larger Trent is beautiful!
New engine and wing really perfect what was already a stunning design.
Can't wait to see the gliders turn into aircraft :stirthepot:
 
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:59 am

I am known to be rather impatient so this thread and Airbus' progression with the neo has been killing me! Any new pictures of the aircraft yet?
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Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:44 am

Only as a glider... :(
 
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Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:30 pm

MSN 1819, the first A330neo customer aircraft for TAP Portugal, has entered final assembly.

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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:00 am

Why do they build customer frames before the actual in air flight testing starts? What if something is discovered that needs a redesign? Either way, it looks absolutely stunning!
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:06 am

Good question. Perhaps MSN 1819 will be used to test the new airspace interior?
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:01 pm

LoganTheBogan wrote:
Why do they build customer frames before the actual in air flight testing starts? What if something is discovered that needs a redesign? Either way, it looks absolutely stunning!


A new aircraft program is so expensive that an OEM cannot really afford to have the FAL lie idle for months while the test and certification frames do their thing. And while there will always be Change Incorporation on those production frames, it's rarely (if ever) as extensive as it was for the early 787s and A380s. And running customer frames through the FAL during the test and certification process allows the OEM to identify issues that could affect serial production as well as allowing the workforce to gain experience on building the frames, which will improve quality and speed over time.
 
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Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:48 pm

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Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:10 am

Stitch wrote:
LoganTheBogan wrote:
Why do they build customer frames before the actual in air flight testing starts? What if something is discovered that needs a redesign? Either way, it looks absolutely stunning!


A new aircraft program is so expensive that an OEM cannot really afford to have the FAL lie idle for months while the test and certification frames do their thing. And while there will always be Change Incorporation on those production frames, it's rarely (if ever) as extensive as it was for the early 787s and A380s. And running customer frames through the FAL during the test and certification process allows the OEM to identify issues that could affect serial production as well as allowing the workforce to gain experience on building the frames, which will improve quality and speed over time.


A well written, easy to understand answer. Thank you!
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:37 am

keesje wrote:


Yes.
With state of the art aircraft design there no longer exist real "prototypes" where
you test design solutions and maybe change them for the final product.
( you still see that in russian military planes where the prototype appears to
be more an assembly of proof of concept dettailings.)

done right:
Everything relevant happens _before_ the first series production items are built
and used for proving the design details for certification.

Detail "Fiddling" on the finished product removed from hardware production
is reintroduced via changes to the airplane characteristics defining software.
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Sat Jul 22, 2017 11:51 am

LoganTheBogan wrote:
Why do they build customer frames before the actual in air flight testing starts? What if something is discovered that needs a redesign? Either way, it looks absolutely stunning!


I think the plan is for all built A330 neos to go to customers, Airbus are not planning to retain any "prototypes" after testing is complete
 
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Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:40 pm

LoganTheBogan wrote:
Why do they build customer frames before the actual in air flight testing starts? What if something is discovered that needs a redesign? Either way, it looks absolutely stunning!


Everybody does. I assume Airbus expect only minor changes after testing and certification.
 
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:42 pm

TAP Portugal should receive its first A330neo in March 2018. It is the first time we hear a more concrete date than "H1 2018".

"TAP Portugal (TP, Lisbon) Chief Executive Officer (CEO) Fernando Pinto has told The Wall Street Journal his carrier is on track to take delivery of its first A330-900neo in March 2018.

As the type's launch operator, TAP had planned to take delivery of its first aircraft towards year-end. However, as previously reported, that date was deferred to early 2018 on account of delays with the development of the Rolls-Royce Trent 7000 powerplant.


https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... eo-in-1q18
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:48 pm

March 2018? So a 7 month flight test campaign assuming it flies for the first time in September, pretty ambitious since the NEO and MAX took a little over a year each.
 
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Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:44 pm

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March 2018? So a 7 month flight test campaign assuming it flies for the first time in September, pretty ambitious since the NEO and MAX took a little over a year each.


I reckon it can be done. From what I remember, Airbus has already performed some tests on the aircraft while on the ground without its engines.
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Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:47 pm

Have the Trent 7000 engines been fitted yet or are they still "podding"?
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Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:33 am

LoganTheBogan wrote:
Have the Trent 7000 engines been fitted yet or are they still "podding"?


There is no news about them having been fitted to the frames, but you do realize that the podding in this case also includes a whole lot of measuring equipment, that is not fitted to normal engines.
 
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Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:41 am

Aircraft should roll out in August, can't be long anymore.
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Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:11 am

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Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:04 am

The winglet on the second photo looks really nice from that angle.
 
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Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:20 am

Indeed, very nice pictures as always, I agree this angle makes the winglet look beautiful. I always wish we had more of these manufacturing pictures. :)
 
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Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:50 am

Hoping for that picture with engines when this thread shows up on the first page..
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Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:28 pm

Lovely photos, should be ready any day now.
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Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:46 am

I think this aeroplane could make Airbus a lot of money. If it does what it says in the Spec sheet and the price works for some of the smaller carriers in comparison to the B788. Things might work out.
 
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:37 am

Is the aircraft going to begin ground tests and rejected takeoffs straight away or is there more tests that need to be completed with the engines first (apart from the initial runs)?
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Sun Aug 06, 2017 10:37 pm

Is there change in fuselage and wing materials compare to the CEO? or is it the engine only other than the new wingshape?
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:24 pm

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Is there change in fuselage and wing materials compare to the CEO? or is it the engine only other than the new wingshape?


No change of materials in regards to wing and fuselage. There was supposed to be some work on weight reduction.
 
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:26 pm

nimool wrote:
Is there change in fuselage and wing materials compare to the CEO? or is it the engine only other than the new wingshape?


I don`t think there are any changes in wing or fuselage materials. I have an idea the cabin has been upgraded
so that will show a difference over the CEO. That leaves as you say, the engines, wingtips, & the black cockpit
window frames adding to the new look.

Hopefully we won`t have to wait too long to see the Neo with it`s new engines attached, some on A.Net think is
just a matters of days.
 
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:37 pm

mjoelnir wrote:
nimool wrote:
Is there change in fuselage and wing materials compare to the CEO? or is it the engine only other than the new wingshape?


No change of materials in regards to wing and fuselage. There was supposed to be some work on weight reduction.


Tedd wrote:
nimool wrote:
Is there change in fuselage and wing materials compare to the CEO? or is it the engine only other than the new wingshape?


I don`t think there are any changes in wing or fuselage materials. I have an idea the cabin has been upgraded
so that will show a difference over the CEO. That leaves as you say, the engines, wingtips, & the black cockpit
window frames adding to the new look.

Hopefully we won`t have to wait too long to see the Neo with it`s new engines attached, some on A.Net think is
just a matters of days.


Thanks! Any idea about the first deliveries?
I cant wait too see it in IR colours :spin:
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Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:45 pm

It`ll be TAP first, around March 2018.....I think.
 
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Mon Aug 07, 2017 12:03 am

When were the HA and (now cancelled) GE A338s due for delivery?
 
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Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:18 am

Structural assembly of TAP's first A339neo is completed, aircraft is now undergoing system integration at Station 30.
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Mon Aug 07, 2017 12:25 pm

trex8 wrote:
When were the HA and (now cancelled) GE A338s due for delivery?

HA's are due in 2019. GE's were due at end of 2018.
 
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Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:26 pm

nimool wrote:
Is there change in fuselage and wing materials compare to the CEO? or is it the engine only other than the new wingshape?


3.7 meters (12 ft.) increased wingspan. The extension is CFRP.
 
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Tue Aug 08, 2017 9:30 am

While the first A330neo is getting its engines fitted, the second A330neo is getting some work done.

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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:13 am

So assuming Airbus doesn't get further orders for the -800 and the programme is canned what will replace all those A332s and 767-300ERs? 797 is a long way off. Some of those domestic 763s and A332s are getting pretty long in the tooth. Is this where Airbus response to 797 comes in? We're talking a long lead time here. Be interesting to do an analysis of the average age of A332 763 equipment. Thoughts?

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