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So assuming Airbus doesn't get further orders for the -800 and the programme is canned what will replace all those A332s and 767-300ERs? 797 is a long way off. Some of those domestic 763s and A332s are getting pretty long in the tooth. Is this where Airbus response to 797 comes in? We're talking a long lead time here. Be interesting to do an analysis of the average age of A332 763 equipment. Thoughts?


The A338 will not be canned since parts for it are already being produced (from what I understand from well respected members here with first hand knowledge of this). The A338 most likely will get new orders in the future, but not in the numbers the A332 got them. It isn't like it's a huge cost for Airbus to even develope it, and that money has already been spent anyways, so might as well produce and offer it.

The Airbus response to the probable Boeing MOM will most likely be a stretch of the A321 with a new wing and possibly a strengthened main gear if the current one can't support 105-110t weights. But that's off topic so won't discuss it further in this thread.

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NZ321 wrote:
So assuming Airbus doesn't get further orders for the -800 and the programme is canned what will replace all those A332s and 767-300ERs? 797 is a long way off. Some of those domestic 763s and A332s are getting pretty long in the tooth. Is this where Airbus response to 797 comes in? We're talking a long lead time here. Be interesting to do an analysis of the average age of A332 763 equipment. Thoughts?


787.

Or Airbus decides to go ahead with the A350-800.
 
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:19 pm

NZ321 wrote:
So assuming Airbus doesn't get further orders for the -800 and the programme is canned what will replace all those A332s and 767-300ERs? 797 is a long way off. Some of those domestic 763s and A332s are getting pretty long in the tooth. Is this where Airbus response to 797 comes in? We're talking a long lead time here. Be interesting to do an analysis of the average age of A332 763 equipment. Thoughts?


If they need replacing then there will be orders and the A330-800 will be built !

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Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:34 am

No more news about the A330neo yet? Airbus is really cruising along with this one.
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Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:08 pm

My second post. Small update-The first power-on has been completed.
 
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My second post. Small update-The first power-on has been completed.


Any photos of those engines on the wing? :cry:
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Yes the engines have been installed.

No photos yet.
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Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:15 am

¿ANY UPDATE?
 
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Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:52 am

Little / no news. Trent-1000 TEN certification must be a good thing for the Trent 7000 however I imagine paperwork will take time.
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Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:57 am

Updates have been given above. The engines have been installed and the aircraft had its first power-on.
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Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:29 pm

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Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:43 pm

So the "original" 350 lives again ..... :duck:
 
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Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:33 pm

It's amazing, we have had photos of various aircraft in different stages of manufacture, some painted, some not, some flying or still in the dock getting wings fitted but all of a sudden nary a photo of the A330neo with engines on, why the secrecy, the suspense is killing me? :)
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Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:12 pm

Slug71 wrote:
NZ321 wrote:
So assuming Airbus doesn't get further orders for the -800 and the programme is canned what will replace all those A332s and 767-300ERs? 797 is a long way off. Some of those domestic 763s and A332s are getting pretty long in the tooth. Is this where Airbus response to 797 comes in? We're talking a long lead time here. Be interesting to do an analysis of the average age of A332 763 equipment. Thoughts?


787.

Or Airbus decides to go ahead with the A350-800.

Well the 787-9 is too big and the A358 is gone, but would also be too big. I guess the "797" is the answer to that question.
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Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:07 pm

And the A330-800 will be perfect.
 
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767333ER wrote:
Slug71 wrote:
NZ321 wrote:
So assuming Airbus doesn't get further orders for the -800 and the programme is canned what will replace all those A332s and 767-300ERs? 797 is a long way off. Some of those domestic 763s and A332s are getting pretty long in the tooth. Is this where Airbus response to 797 comes in? We're talking a long lead time here. Be interesting to do an analysis of the average age of A332 763 equipment. Thoughts?


787.

Or Airbus decides to go ahead with the A350-800.

Well the 787-9 is too big and the A358 is gone, but would also be too big. I guess the "797" is the answer to that question.


787-8.
However, with the trend towards larger frames, the 787-9 and A350-800 likely wouldn't be too big. The A358 was originally intended to replace the A332.
 
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767333ER wrote:
Slug71 wrote:

787.

Or Airbus decides to go ahead with the A350-800.

Well the 787-9 is too big and the A358 is gone, but would also be too big. I guess the "797" is the answer to that question.


787-8.
However, with the trend towards larger frames, the 787-9 and A350-800 likely wouldn't be too big. The A358 was originally intended to replace the A332.

You realize the 787-8 has been eclipsed and rendered redundant by the 787-9 which is too large to serve the role of 763 or A332. There is a market for such a plane if they are designing the "797" and airlines like United refuse to replace their 763s with 787s.
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Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:22 pm

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Slug71 wrote:
767333ER wrote:
Well the 787-9 is too big and the A358 is gone, but would also be too big. I guess the "797" is the answer to that question.


787-8.
However, with the trend towards larger frames, the 787-9 and A350-800 likely wouldn't be too big. The A358 was originally intended to replace the A332.

You realize the 787-8 has been eclipsed and rendered redundant by the 787-9 which is too large to serve the role of 763 or A332. There is a market for such a plane if they are designing the "797" and airlines like United refuse to replace their 763s with 787s.


You realize the main reason HA ordered the A358 right? They knew it was a larger aircraft but what they really wanted out of it was its range to reach Europe, the 787-9 fits the bill perfectly and depending on how HA configures the aircraft it could be more or less than the A332. The MOM will not have anything close to that kind of range.

Back on the topic at hand if the A330neo is to fly in October as rumored then there is no way that plane is EIS at its current time frame.
 
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Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:10 pm

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It's amazing, we have had photos of various aircraft in different stages of manufacture, some painted, some not, some flying or still in the dock getting wings fitted but all of a sudden nary a photo of the A330neo with engines on, why the secrecy, the suspense is killing me? :)


I don't think there is any secrecy. The aircraft is inside a hangar, expect some photos when it rolls out.
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Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:28 am

350helmi wrote:
NZ321 wrote:
So assuming Airbus doesn't get further orders for the -800 and the programme is canned what will replace all those A332s and 767-300ERs? 797 is a long way off. Some of those domestic 763s and A332s are getting pretty long in the tooth. Is this where Airbus response to 797 comes in? We're talking a long lead time here. Be interesting to do an analysis of the average age of A332 763 equipment. Thoughts?


The A338 will not be canned since parts for it are already being produced (from what I understand from well respected members here with first hand knowledge of this). The A338 most likely will get new orders in the future, but not in the numbers the A332 got them. It isn't like it's a huge cost for Airbus to even develope it, and that money has already been spent anyways, so might as well produce and offer it.

The Airbus response to the probable Boeing MOM will most likely be a stretch of the A321 with a new wing and possibly a strengthened main gear if the current one can't support 105-110t weights. But that's off topic so won't discuss it further in this thread.

350helmi


Does anyone know the status of the first A330-800?

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Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:52 am

The suspense is killing me seeing the first 330 NEO roll out with engines on. Must be a few teething issues.
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I think we heard that the engines are on the wing - but I suspect the amount of instrumentation to hook up and test takes a while. It is the first test frame after all.
 
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Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:17 pm

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Does anyone know the status of the first A330-800?

Rgds


Not with any certainty, but have heard from multiple sources (all on a.net) some parts have entered production. Personally I don't have any sources within the industry to confirm that for myself.

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AB is actually going forward with the A330-800 which has SIX orders, and not with the A350-800. That makes sense!
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AB is actually going forward with the A330-800 which has SIX orders, and not with the A350-800. That makes sense!



The idea is that A339 would offer what A358 was supposed to do, except for range. Airbus thought that would make A358 redundant.
 
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OA940 wrote:
AB is actually going forward with the A330-800 which has SIX orders, and not with the A350-800. That makes sense!



The idea is that A339 would offer what A358 was supposed to do, except for range. Airbus thought that would make A358 redundant.


And the A358 list price is now cheaper than the A339NEO.
 
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Slug71 wrote:
Eyad89 wrote:
OA940 wrote:
AB is actually going forward with the A330-800 which has SIX orders, and not with the A350-800. That makes sense!



The idea is that A339 would offer what A358 was supposed to do, except for range. Airbus thought that would make A358 redundant.


And the A358 list price is now cheaper than the A339NEO.



But we know that A339 sells for a lot cheaper than what the list price says. Actually Airbus claims its ability to sell A330NEO at cheap prices is what it gives it the edge over 787.
 
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OA940 wrote:
AB is actually going forward with the A330-800 which has SIX orders, and not with the A350-800. That makes sense!

Airbus is probably looking at the A330neo development programme as a single project. It is also looking at the future - A330-200 and -300 production will cease at some point in the future, so its replacements should be available to customers.

As the A330-800 will be produced off the same lines as the A330-900, it does not matter that much if it is 6 orders or 600 orders. Furthermore, the A330-800 can be a good platform for future sub-variants like freighters, tankers, ACJs, Belugas, etc. So, it makes sense to continue with a two model A330 family as before.
 
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Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:28 am

astuteman wrote:
350helmi wrote:
NZ321 wrote:
So assuming Airbus doesn't get further orders for the -800 and the programme is canned what will replace all those A332s and 767-300ERs? 797 is a long way off. Some of those domestic 763s and A332s are getting pretty long in the tooth. Is this where Airbus response to 797 comes in? We're talking a long lead time here. Be interesting to do an analysis of the average age of A332 763 equipment. Thoughts?


The A338 will not be canned since parts for it are already being produced (from what I understand from well respected members here with first hand knowledge of this). The A338 most likely will get new orders in the future, but not in the numbers the A332 got them. It isn't like it's a huge cost for Airbus to even develope it, and that money has already been spent anyways, so might as well produce and offer it.

The Airbus response to the probable Boeing MOM will most likely be a stretch of the A321 with a new wing and possibly a strengthened main gear if the current one can't support 105-110t weights. But that's off topic so won't discuss it further in this thread.

350helmi


Does anyone know the status of the first A330-800?

Rgds


It's been allocated MSN 1866 which implies it would be ready to fly mid 2018 but it will no doubt be delayed as a result of the -900 being late.

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astuteman wrote:
350helmi wrote:

The A338 will not be canned since parts for it are already being produced (from what I understand from well respected members here with first hand knowledge of this). The A338 most likely will get new orders in the future, but not in the numbers the A332 got them. It isn't like it's a huge cost for Airbus to even develope it, and that money has already been spent anyways, so might as well produce and offer it.

The Airbus response to the probable Boeing MOM will most likely be a stretch of the A321 with a new wing and possibly a strengthened main gear if the current one can't support 105-110t weights. But that's off topic so won't discuss it further in this thread.

350helmi


Does anyone know the status of the first A330-800?

Rgds


It's been allocated MSN 1866 which implies it would be ready to fly mid 2018 but it will no doubt be delayed as a result of the -900 being late.

Geoff


Thanks for that information Geoff.

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flee wrote:
OA940 wrote:
AB is actually going forward with the A330-800 which has SIX orders, and not with the A350-800. That makes sense!

Airbus is probably looking at the A330neo development programme as a single project. It is also looking at the future - A330-200 and -300 production will cease at some point in the future, so its replacements should be available to customers.

As the A330-800 will be produced off the same lines as the A330-900, it does not matter that much if it is 6 orders or 600 orders. Furthermore, the A330-800 can be a good platform for future sub-variants like freighters, tankers, ACJs, Belugas, etc. So, it makes sense to continue with a two model A330 family as before.


I agree, but the 338 won't get many orders for a few years, since most 332's are still ''young''. If they are willing to have a model that has 6 orders for years then I'm fine with it, but it doesn't seem like the best idea.
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Won't the -800 be the basis of the new A330F?
 
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Won't the -800 be the basis of the new A330F?


Supposed to be. And the Advanced MRTT if I'm not mistaken.
 
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The first A330neo (MSN 1795) is currently outside undergoing engine runs at the engine test area.
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Need pictures.

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Photo ! Photo! Photo!
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The first A330neo (MSN 1795) is currently outside undergoing engine runs at the engine test area.


That's great. How long until first flight?
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I agree, but the 338 won't get many orders for a few years, since most 332's are still ''young''. If they are willing to have a model that has 6 orders for years then I'm fine with it, but it doesn't seem like the best idea.

Well, if there's any substance to the AA rumor, it may not be long before that number is revised upwards. :scratchchin:
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I agree, but the 338 won't get many orders for a few years, since most 332's are still ''young''. If they are willing to have a model that has 6 orders for years then I'm fine with it, but it doesn't seem like the best idea.

Well, if there's any substance to the AA rumor, it may not be long before that number is revised upwards. :scratchchin:


Asiana's order for the A358 will probably get converted to the A338 too.
 
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Devilfish wrote:
OA940 wrote:
I agree, but the 338 won't get many orders for a few years, since most 332's are still ''young''. If they are willing to have a model that has 6 orders for years then I'm fine with it, but it doesn't seem like the best idea.

Well, if there's any substance to the AA rumor, it may not be long before that number is revised upwards. :scratchchin:


When did that rumor come out? I've never heard that...
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OA940 wrote:
Devilfish wrote:
OA940 wrote:
I agree, but the 338 won't get many orders for a few years, since most 332's are still ''young''. If they are willing to have a model that has 6 orders for years then I'm fine with it, but it doesn't seem like the best idea.

Well, if there's any substance to the AA rumor, it may not be long before that number is revised upwards. :scratchchin:


When did that rumor come out? I've never heard that...


I actually started a thread about that about a month ago. Leeham had some intel from industry insiders that AA may be looking to swap the pmUS A359 order to A338 which would be great news for the neo since a client like AA would give the 338 more staying power and credibility especially when the 332 replacement cycle kicks in. Unfortunatelly the article says tha HA may be looking to either upgrade to the A359 or maybe go to 787

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First a330neo with installed engines
 
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First a330neo with installed engines

Pualani is wondering longingly when she could be on the NEO..... :cheerful:
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Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:01 pm

Big change in the wing body fairing, span and wing twist can be seen in comparison to the a330ceo....
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Big change in the wing body fairing, span and wing twist can be seen in comparison to the a330ceo....


Yeah the wing fairing and flap track frairings looks pretty obvious, less so the twist on the wings of the NEO. I hope this will translate into a faster normal cruise Mach Number on the NEO.
 
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A real beauty! Having said that, I wonder how you guys see any difference in wing twist on this photo...
 
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If you look closely at the photo in reply #492, and compare it with the A330ceo on the left, one can clearly see the wing twist.
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Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:29 am

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If you look closely at the photo in reply #492, and compare it with the A330ceo on the left, one can clearly see the wing twist.


I don't see any difference, but maybe that's just me... As for the flap track fairings, aren't they already changed on the recent A333 CEOs?

Anyway, a beautiful bird. I'll probably have a chance to fly it next year - can't wait!
 
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As for the flap track fairings, aren't they already changed on the recent A333 CEOs?


Yes, but that's not what was suggested. It's the wing-to-body fairing that's noticeable different.
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