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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:05 am

sadiqutp wrote:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJOTgJLXcAEvJTd.jpg
First a330neo with installed engines


Quite the difference seen from the rear, isn' it?
( left CEO and center NEO, right engines visible quite well .)
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Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:56 am

MSN 1795 is visible at FR24 for the very first time:

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Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:34 am

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thepinkmachine wrote:
As for the flap track fairings, aren't they already changed on the recent A333 CEOs?


Yes, but that's not what was suggested. It's the wing-to-body fairing that's noticeable different.


It was both suggested wing to body fairings and flap track fairings. Wing body fairings are significantly different and flap track fairings are the same. Change of twist is that small, that one would need a better picture to see it, perhaps strait from the front neo and ceo side by side. What is also really apparent is the new winglets with the increased wing span and A350 like form..
 
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:15 am

I don't see any twist either, maybe a smidgeon negative, which way do they add twist?
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Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:09 pm

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I don't see any twist either, maybe a smidgeon negative, which way do they add twist?


IMU: you have the wing incidence decrease (nose down) outboards. Inner wing must stall before outer wing
to achieve benign behaviour.
If you have the leeway you can turn the profile nose up outboards to increase lift outwards. (?)
( which is wanted anyway if you add wingtip devices ? )
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:40 pm

WIederling wrote:
Balerit wrote:
I don't see any twist either, maybe a smidgeon negative, which way do they add twist?

If you have the leeway you can turn the profile nose up outboards to increase lift outwards. (?)


So are you saying that the expected adjustment in twist for the 339 is a slight nose up rotation of the outboard wing section to increase lift?
 
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Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:35 pm

I would love to see more pictures
 
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Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:49 pm

hotelbravo wrote:
WIederling wrote:
Balerit wrote:
I don't see any twist either, maybe a smidgeon negative, which way do they add twist?

If you have the leeway you can turn the profile nose up outboards to increase lift outwards. (?)


So are you saying that the expected adjustment in twist for the 339 is a slight nose up rotation of the outboard wing section to increase lift?


You are talking about wash-in whereas they use wash-out to give better lift on take off, ie the tip is bent downwards. Wing twist is something else and I would imagine it is a nose down twist to reduce drag in cruise?
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:11 pm

The following photo gives a better idea of the Trent 7000 size:

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Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:28 pm

Wow, it's going to look like a CEO on steroids :)
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Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:06 pm

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Wow, it's going to look like a CEO on steroids :)

More like a prettier CEO after a visit at the plastic surgeon =D
Can't wait to see it in the air...
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Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:11 pm

I can't believe that Airbus didn't release any pictures after roll-out. It's still an important type of aircraft for them, so I would expect some more PR stuff... anyhow, what do I know...
 
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Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:17 pm

I expect you will get the PR stuff at the first flight.
 
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Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:03 pm

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I can't believe that Airbus didn't release any pictures after roll-out. It's still an important type of aircraft for them, so I would expect some more PR stuff... anyhow, what do I know...


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Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:15 pm

She looks GREAT! I can't wait for a head-on view and the first flight!
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Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:26 pm

boefan wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
I can't believe that Airbus didn't release any pictures after roll-out. It's still an important type of aircraft for them, so I would expect some more PR stuff... anyhow, what do I know...


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Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:43 pm

The engines look like overgrown CF-6
 
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Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:53 pm

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The engines look like overgrown CF-6

The engines now look much better proportioned wrt to the fuselage than before. :thumbsup:
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Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:56 pm

Devilfish wrote:
thepinkmachine wrote:
The engines look like overgrown CF-6

The engines now look much better proportioned wrt to the fuselage than before. :thumbsup:


Agreed.
 
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Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:05 pm

The side view does make the winglet look a little funky, but overall I like it. I agree in that the engines look much better proportioned than previously.
 
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Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:29 pm

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Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:32 pm

boefan wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
I can't believe that Airbus didn't release any pictures after roll-out. It's still an important type of aircraft for them, so I would expect some more PR stuff... anyhow, what do I know...


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Is she on her way for ground runs?
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Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:59 pm

By the way guys, thanks for the pictures, now I can sleep in peace knowing things are going well with this program. :)
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Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:53 pm

She'll look stunning in air-to-air photos!
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Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:35 am

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Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:04 am

Anybody know what Airbus finally decided to do about the MTOW? 251T, or is it still unofficial?
 
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Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:16 am

Absolutely stunning!

Can wait to see air shots.
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Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:21 am

Stunning with the new engines, but I really prefer the old winglets…
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Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:49 am

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Stunning with the new engines, but I really prefer the old winglets…


They will look better in the air when air pressure puts them up a bit.
 
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Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:13 am

What a beauty
 
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Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:29 am

If only they hadn't put these ridiculous racoon eyes on her.
 
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Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:45 am

Is there still a # 2 prototype being built?
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Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:55 am

Balerit wrote:
Is there still a # 2 prototype being built?


#2 has been around for some time also. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6E31EfWQAEZOiV.jpg
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Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:58 am

keesje wrote:
Balerit wrote:
Is there still a # 2 prototype being built?


#2 has been around for some time also. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6E31EfWQAEZOiV.jpg


Ah, thanks. :bigthumbsup:
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Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:01 am

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The side view does make the winglet look a little funky, but overall I like it. I agree in that the engines look much better proportioned than previously.


View from slilghtly below and aileron hanging down on that side. Lets trailing edge appear discontinuous ( and strangely broken).

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Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:17 pm

Peeter wrote:
Stunning with the new engines, but I really prefer the old winglets…


Agreed. Weren't the new winglets supposed to be reminiscent of the A350's winglets? I just don't see it. They're too small in my opinion. I'm sure they will look much better in flight.


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Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:33 pm

Will any of the new Belugas have the NEO wings and engines?
 
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Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:39 pm

Nope they are based on CEO's
 
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Fri Sep 15, 2017 4:40 pm

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Anybody know what Airbus finally decided to do about the MTOW? 251T, or is it still unofficial?


Looks like 242,000kg remains the highest option. They were studying 245,000kg earlier this year, but no mention since. I would expect if they were intending it to EIS with higher, we'd have heard about it, but it could be they will investigate it as part of the flight-test and certification program.
 
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Fri Sep 15, 2017 4:49 pm

Stitch wrote:
thepinkmachine wrote:
Anybody know what Airbus finally decided to do about the MTOW? 251T, or is it still unofficial?


Looks like 242,000kg remains the highest option. They were studying 245,000kg earlier this year, but no mention since. I would expect if they were intending it to EIS with higher, we'd have heard about it, but it could be they will investigate it as part of the flight-test and certification program.



Some time ago Leahy was quoted saying that they were considering 251 T and 7000Nm range. I wondered if there were any more news about it.
 
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Fri Sep 15, 2017 4:57 pm

res77W wrote:
Peeter wrote:
Stunning with the new engines, but I really prefer the old winglets…


Agreed. Weren't the new winglets supposed to be reminiscent of the A350's winglets? I just don't see it. They're too small in my opinion. I'm sure they will look much better in flight.


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As much as any manufacturer would like aerodynamic improvements to look nice or nicer than previous designs, in the case of the A330Neo they had to add the most efficient winglet they could to the ( old ) A330`s wing. Whether it was possible to add the A350 winglet I know not, but would hazard a guess that all winglets
are shaped for a particular wing, & since the Neo`s wing is different from the A350`s the shape we have now best compliments that particular wing.

I think the winglet looks good, but I would like more pics ( in-flight one`s too ) to be certain the plane looks great. The engines are far better proportioned as expected & help the aesthetics no end. I also think this plane could have a great future, particularly if the new Trent 7000 engines can meet target gains expected. There should be ample room for success, but the superb B787 is well established now, so it may be down to the salesmen at Airbus working overtime to continue the Ceo`s success.
 
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Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:46 pm

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The side view does make the winglet look a little funky, but overall I like it. I agree in that the engines look much better proportioned than previously.


I think it's because the ends of the wings are raked like some of the Boeing products, and therefore has a smaller/narrower winglet.

fraport wrote:
If only they hadn't put these ridiculous racoon eyes on her.


To each their own I guess. I happen to like the "racoon mask" and think it makes a good trademark.

StTim wrote:
Nope they are based on CEO's


That's too bad. Thank you.
 
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Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:20 pm

That's too bad. Thank you

I think AB will be happy, it`s an up-grade all-round over the previous model.
 
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Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:09 pm

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That's too bad. Thank you

I think AB will be happy, it`s an up-grade all-round over the previous model.


Definitely. But I think it would have looked good with the new wings and especially the bigger engines.
 
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Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:32 pm

Looks fantastic with engines but the winglet does seem a little awkward, like an A350 winglet that shrunk in the rain. I bet it will look gorgeous inflight though, the A330 is one of the few Airbus aircraft to have amazing wingflex so I assume with little changes to the wing this should remain on the NEO.
 
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Sat Sep 16, 2017 10:36 am

Well, that bigger engine did make a big difference in terms of looks. Of course, the bypass ratio for Trent 7000 is double the bypass ratio of Trent 700. A significant size difference is natural. This significant difference in bypass ratio would make A330neo a lot more quiet than A330ceo. We should see that soon in the coming months.
 
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:04 am

The wingtip looks like a combination of the Boeing raked wingtip and the A350 winglet
 
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Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:07 am

Slug71 wrote:
DTWorld wrote:
The side view does make the winglet look a little funky, but overall I like it. I agree in that the engines look much better proportioned than previously.


I think it's because the ends of the wings are raked like some of the Boeing products, and therefore has a smaller/narrower winglet.
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there is this nice image of the first set of A330NEO wingtips around:
like: https://imagr.eu/up/xdVCu_CsN_xboVIAAruO1.jpg

But I couldn't find an A350 wingtip in the same attitude for a comparison.
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Sat Sep 16, 2017 4:41 pm

shamrock350 wrote:
Looks fantastic with engines but the winglet does seem a little awkward.

OTOH, I never liked the CEO's winglet - looks like an afterthought and a put-on. The NEO's winglet looks more natural -- innate and evolved.
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