Argenbright/Securicor Done In The US

Thu Feb 07, 2002 11:34 pm

From CNN today...

The USDOT has effectively made it impossible for Securicor PLC's US arm, Argenbright, to handle airport security at any American airport following the February switchover to Federal Airport screeners.

Which companies will take over Argenbright's business?

Are there any airport security companies that are really winning accolades or awards for top-flight service and security? Is there a Midwest Express of the airport security business I guess is what I'm asking?

Anyone work/worked with Argenbright?

I worked aside Argenbright agents at JFK last summer and they really were "the Enron of the security business". A complete mess. Young kids getting $6/hour, untrained stressed employees, and a real lack of professionalism or pride in work.

A real contrast with the BAA screeners I remember at Heathrow who wore smarter uniforms, looked happier, more professional, and overal gave the image of being more competent? Were they Securicor too?

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RE: Argenbright/Securicor Done In The US

Thu Feb 07, 2002 11:37 pm

All of Argenbright's employees will now have cushy federal screening jobs where they can not be fired for their incompetence...

Just like at the post office
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RE: Argenbright/Securicor Done In The US

Thu Feb 07, 2002 11:45 pm

My understanding about the federal screening jobs is that their work rules are in fact different, and they can be terminated with cause much easier than counterparts at the postal service.

In any case, Argenbright's management should be ashamed of themselves for allowing security operations to be performed by illiterate thugs in many cases. I'm glad they're gone.
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RE: Argenbright/Securicor Done In The US

Thu Feb 07, 2002 11:50 pm

But those federal screeners aren't going to be any smarter...A high school diploma isn't required.
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RE: Argenbright/Securicor Done In The US

Fri Feb 08, 2002 1:15 am


Federal screeners are going to be held at a higher standard than those people working security right now. Also starting pay will be around $35,000 (a shade better than what I'm making now) and there will be more requirements than just a high school diploma and a pulse. I'm sure most of those Argenbright pukes won't cut it as Fed screeners.

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RE: Argenbright/Securicor Done In The US

Fri Feb 08, 2002 4:31 am

Hm...glad thing I turned down that offer to work with them right after 9-11!
I always knew something was a little fishy with that company.
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Fri Feb 08, 2002 4:42 am

Come on... we all know that if the government tries to fire someone for incompetance, that person will yell and scream that their civil rights were violated. They will sue and get their job back.

We're seeing it already: those Argenbright employees without a green card are going to lose their jobs and now they've filed a lawsuit.

We're no better than we were before September 11th. I really think that the airport police should have taken over security.

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RE: Argenbright/Securicor Done In The US

Fri Feb 08, 2002 4:46 am

That's beside the point Neil. What I'm saying is that most of the people that currently work for Argenbright wouldn't ever get HIRED by the Feds, so as such they can't get fired for their incompetence and thus there will be no lawsuits. Also I'm sure if the Feds are going to invest the amount of money into security that they are, those that do qualify and do get higher will be trained a lot better, will probably have to go through recurrent training, and will be more motivated than someone making $6 an hour and just working there until something better comes along.

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To Twaneedsnohelp

Fri Feb 08, 2002 6:18 am

Who do those screeners at Heathrow work for? The British government or a private company?

just curious.

whenever you put ANYTHING in the private sector control it's quality will eventually decline. Here, the private sector exists for one purpose only. To make money. And lots of it. competition doesn't lead to improved quality. Just aggressive marketing.

But as for the u.s. government, well they are just so full of bureaucracy and red tape that I wonder if it will be any better.
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RE: Argenbright/Securicor Done In The US

Fri Feb 08, 2002 4:49 pm

I was a manager at Argenbright in Europe (I left over 5 years ago, so you can put the rotten eggs and tomatoes away). We started off with a really good product and well trained staff. We were paying them well too. But, we were employed by the airlines and they were constantly telling us that we were too expensive, cutting positions here, cutting them there. At the end of the day, it is the airlines who determine how much the security personnel get paid, because they say how much they are willing to pay the market for the security services. I could never figure out why airlines thought that security personnel should be paid so much less than ticketing staff....In the end it got so pathetic that I left the industry completely and I am glad that I did.

The comparison with the BAA is unfair is as much as the BAA has a monopoly and can charge the airlines pretty much what it wants in landing fees and other various fees. They are in a position to offer much better conditions than companies like Argenbright and it shows.

There is no doubt that Argenbright did a a lousy job, but I think that the airlines have done a really good job at passing the buck here also....
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RE: Argenbright/Securicor Done In The US

Sat Feb 09, 2002 11:02 pm

Looks like they are having some difficulty staying out of the news.....

By Michael Holden

LONDON (Reuters) - Security staff at Manchester Airport failed to spot two guns, imitation explosives and fake bomb-making equipment hidden in a bag which was allowed on board a British Airways passenger jet, officials said on Saturday.

The failure took place during a recent security test with the full knowledge of the airline, a spokeswoman for the airport in northern England said. There was no risk to passengers during the exercise, she said.

Global Air Training, which carried out the test on behalf of the airport -- the busiest UK airport outside London -- hid a cache of arms in a bag which was screened by security staff employed by Securicor ADI, the airport said.

An operator manning a scanning machine failed to spot the weapons and the bag was allowed into the hold of the Boeing 737 jet bound for London's Gatwick Airport.

The 23 "smuggled" suspect items included two guns -- a .38 caliber Rossi revolver and a Baby Browning pistol -- blocks of fake Semtex explosive and detonators.

"These items...were not detected by an external security company, Securicor ADI, employed at Manchester Airport to operate hold baggage screening," the airport said in a statement.

"This is a matter of great concern to us and we will be holding urgent talks with Securicor ADI," an airport spokeswoman told Reuters.

The breach comes despite tightened security at British airports following the suicide hijack attacks on the United States on September 11.

A Securicor ADI spokesman said in a statement: ""We act upon any reported failings in individuals or systems and have taken immediate action in this instance."

The Securicor ADI spokesman said the individual who failed to spot the package had been suspended pending a full investigation.

"We understand that the airport and ADI immediately investigated and have taken some serious steps to tighten up procedures," a British Airways spokesman told Reuters.

In January, Manchester Airport workers voted to stage rotating strikes over plans to cut 140 security staff jobs. The Transport and General Workers Union described the cuts as an "unnecessary risk."

Securicor's Atlanta-based Argenbright Security unit has had several recent high-profile screening lapses at airports in the United States. The new U.S. Transportation Security Administration will in November take over security contracts for screening operations at 429 U.S. airports
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RE: Argenbright/Securicor Done In The US

Sun Feb 10, 2002 4:20 am

CactusA319: The FAA dumbed down the screener requirementes just so they could get the former personel from these companies to work for them.

That way the FAA can claim to have "experienced" personel in these positions.
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RE: Argenbright/Securicor Done In The US

Sun Feb 10, 2002 4:27 am

I initially supported the federalization of airport screeners but I'm now beginning to see it for the joke it really is. All they will do is hire the same incompetent people fired from Notsobright but pay them more and give them more authority.
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RE: Argenbright/Securicor Done In The US

Sun Feb 10, 2002 4:42 am

I have always thought federalizing security is a mistake. The government should develop performance standards and allow airport operators to hire contractors to do the work. If they fail to meet standards, out they go. Eventually, someone will start a company that will work.

This way the workers are not government employees and they can be hired and fired as needed.

Indeed, the fed screeners will be like the post office. Then, when the next terrorist act happens, we will get an earful of excuses, with no accountability.

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RE: Argenbright/Securicor Done In The US

Sun Feb 10, 2002 5:47 am

That story in England is ridiculous.

I also agree that the Federalization of airport security screeners is a big joke. Not even a high school diploma??? C'mon.


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