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alasizon wrote:wn676 wrote:alasizon wrote:
I think A30 really needs to be the plan. A modified lead-in line that is about 15-20 degrees off should be enough to fit the plane there and possibly lose a gate in the process but is relying on city gates really an acceptable alternate?
I'm hearing that both A30 and B13 will become widebody swing gates, to fit up to a 772.
The 772 would likely fit as well (the drawings don't show it) but the current priority is very much on the 333.
boeing777200lr wrote:Major G4 expansion here in the Valley.
New G4 routes from AZA:
Louisville
Kansas City
Boise
Milwaukee
St. Louis-Bellvelle
Omaha
Tampa/St.Pete
Indianapolis
wn676 wrote:Good to see G4 giving some attention to AZA again.
chrisair wrote:This just in: the large block of ice CBS 5 put outside their studio in downtown Phoenix on Monday morning has melted.
Back to your regularly scheduled programming.
boeing777200lr wrote:When did JetBlue end their second flight JFK flight to phx. FlightAware says 5 years ago, but there are picture in the database from 2 years ago.
treebeard787 wrote:Condor to fly twice weekly FRA-PHX service next summer.
http://condor-newsroom.condor.com/en/us ... w-on-sale/
alasizon wrote:treebeard787 wrote:Condor to fly twice weekly FRA-PHX service next summer.
http://condor-newsroom.condor.com/en/us ... w-on-sale/
Seems odd to only do this in the summer when winter is equally as big of a market for PHX to/from Europe
allegiantflyer wrote:Also, I cant help but think BA played a role in this, when they threw PHX a bone with that second daily I really think it made other carriers give us a second look.
I personally think this deserves a thread of its own but then again im just a local fan boy
910A wrote:The Monday times going both ways are awful..
alasizon wrote:Any idea what 744 was parked out at East Cargo today? It was a livery I've never seen before that was green and red and had a circular logo on the tail. It also looked like the name started with an M.
alasizon wrote:Any idea what 744 was parked out at East Cargo today? It was a livery I've never seen before that was green and red and had a circular logo on the tail. It also looked like the name started with an M.
treebeard787 wrote:alasizon wrote:Any idea what 744 was parked out at East Cargo today? It was a livery I've never seen before that was green and red and had a circular logo on the tail. It also looked like the name started with an M.
I'm not sure, but it originated in Marana earlier today, but no idea who operates it.
It's left now, whatever it is.
https://www.flightradar24.com/NGL613/dd78ebd
Beaten to the punch by a minute.
alasizon wrote:Monday FRA-PHX isn't all that bad, the return to FRA though is brutal and I can't think of a reason for that timing.
777PHX wrote:Seriously though, that's two big wins for the Phoenix area in one week.
chrisair wrote:777PHX wrote:Seriously though, that's two big wins for the Phoenix area in one week.
Might be missing something but what's the second one?
chrisair wrote:alasizon wrote:Monday FRA-PHX isn't all that bad, the return to FRA though is brutal and I can't think of a reason for that timing.
I kind of like that PHX-FRA timing on Monday. Get some sleep on the plane, have dinner in Frankfurt, get a workout in, go to bed. Perfect. But then I prefer the late night USA departures to Europe. That 2p BA flight we had sounds awful.777PHX wrote:Seriously though, that's two big wins for the Phoenix area in one week.
Might be missing something but what's the second one?
jplatts wrote:There is significant demand for flights from PHX to Charlotte, Cincinnati, Grand Rapids, Hartford, and Memphis, and Southwest could add nonstop service out of PHX to CLT, CVG, GRR, BDL, and MEM. Will Southwest end up adding nonstop service to these 5 destinations out of PHX?
atcsundevil wrote:jplatts wrote:There is significant demand for flights from PHX to Charlotte, Cincinnati, Grand Rapids, Hartford, and Memphis, and Southwest could add nonstop service out of PHX to CLT, CVG, GRR, BDL, and MEM. Will Southwest end up adding nonstop service to these 5 destinations out of PHX?
In a word: No. At least not anytime soon. Don't forget that WN are about to retire nearly 70 aircraft in the next three months, and while they're taking delivery of dozens of new MAXes, it'll take some time before they recover from the capacity loss. In some ways, they're still recovering from the capacity loss from dumping the 717s, and I believe they have yet to return to the combined premerger levels. Furthermore, WN has been cautious about adding longer stage flights in recent years to appeal to Wall Street. Everything on your list is a 3-5 hour flight, and all are effectively transcons. There are numerous other markets from the Phoenix area that I would consider WN more likely to add than these, IAD (or DCA if they receive beyond perimeter slots at some point) and BOS in particular.
PHX-CLT — Doubtful, because it's dominated by AA to their fortress hub. WN has a relatively small operation from CLT, and apart from serving DAL, they don't compete with AA on hub-to-hub routes. There are simply more profitable places to put an airplane than trying to fight AA on this one.
PHX-CVG — Highly doubtful. WN has an even smaller operation in CVG on only two short haul routes. Not even AA or DL operate this route anymore, and it's been left to F9 and G4 (to AZA), both ULCCs, to take what's left. CVG was pretty much only a connection point when DL operated this route, and there probably isn't enough O&D to make it worth while for WN.
PHX-GRR — Not sure there's much of a market here. The only service is G4 to AZA twice weekly, I believe. WN does not operate from GRR at all, so that definitely doesn't help.
PHX-BDL — This is the only one with decent potential on your list, but there's currently no service between the two, and I still see it as unlikely for the time being. I believe both airports have published incentives to operate the route, but it has thus far been passed up.
PHX-MEM — It's possible, but probably unlikely. AA does serve the route, as does G4 to AZA, but even DL had this route on E175s while MEM was still a hub.
allegiantflyer wrote:This is a HUGE victory!!! I am so excited after years of searches we finally have a second long haul!!! im sure many of you are also very excited because im preaching to the choir but when I read that headline I got chills down my spine and jumped out of my chair!!!
jplatts wrote:Southwest actually has nonstop service from CLT to MDW, which is located in an AA hub city, even though AA serves Chicago through ORD and even though AA does not serve MDW. In addition, Southwest actually does serve GRR with nonstop service to BWI, MDW, and DEN out of GRR.
PHX is also the largest market out of CLT that only sees nonstop service out of CLT on only AA, and there is possibly enough demand for Southwest to add nonstop service from PHX to CLT. Southwest has a significant presence at PHX and serves 7 AA hub cities nonstop from PHX (Chicago via MDW, Dallas via DAL, Miami via FLL, Los Angeles via LAX and BUR, New York City via EWR, Philadelphia, and Washington, D.C. via BWI). Southwest also already serves 2 AA hub cities nonstop from CLT (Chicago via MDW and Dallas via DAL).
jplatts wrote:Southwest actually does have nonstops from PHX to 7 East Coast destinations that are further east than CLT is, including BUF, PIT, PHL, EWR, BWI, RDU, and FLL. In addition, all 7 of these destinations are also further from PHX than CLT is.
Vctony wrote:The Fall AA schedule has some pretty brutal cuts.
DTW, MCI, and STL are down to 2x in September/October
MCO is down to 1x in September/October
polywad6963 wrote:Vctony wrote:The Fall AA schedule has some pretty brutal cuts.
DTW, MCI, and STL are down to 2x in September/October
MCO is down to 1x in September/October
Could it be WN that's cutting into the STL-PHX route and undercutting them? Still being new, I don't know how to look up the loads on there, or if I even have access to that info.
Vctony wrote:The Fall AA schedule has some pretty brutal cuts.
DTW, MCI, and STL are down to 2x in September/October
MCO is down to 1x in September/October
alasizon wrote:Vctony wrote:The Fall AA schedule has some pretty brutal cuts.
DTW, MCI, and STL are down to 2x in September/October
MCO is down to 1x in September/October
STL isn't actually down, it has ran as 2x in Sep/Oct for the past couple years I believe. Only difference this year is AA is still running the 319 on the second frequency for Th-Su, the last two years the second frequency had been running on the CR9 except for Su. This year the CR9 is only Mo-We.
MCI is the perplexing one, there is no AM flight from PHX to MCI anymore which is just odd given how the market has always performed.
stl07 wrote:alasizon wrote:Vctony wrote:The Fall AA schedule has some pretty brutal cuts.
DTW, MCI, and STL are down to 2x in September/October
MCO is down to 1x in September/October
STL isn't actually down, it has ran as 2x in Sep/Oct for the past couple years I believe. Only difference this year is AA is still running the 319 on the second frequency for Th-Su, the last two years the second frequency had been running on the CR9 except for Su. This year the CR9 is only Mo-We.
MCI is the perplexing one, there is no AM flight from PHX to MCI anymore which is just odd given how the market has always performed.
I may be wrong, but I recall searching for flights and there were 4-5 flights a day from STL-PHX a year or 2 back
stl07 wrote:alasizon wrote:
STL isn't actually down, it has ran as 2x in Sep/Oct for the past couple years I believe. Only difference this year is AA is still running the 319 on the second frequency for Th-Su, the last two years the second frequency had been running on the CR9 except for Su. This year the CR9 is only Mo-We.
MCI is the perplexing one, there is no AM flight from PHX to MCI anymore which is just odd given how the market has always performed.
I may be wrong, but I recall searching for flights and there were 4-5 flights a day from STL-PHX a year or 2 back
Jshank83 wrote:
Enilria's weekly posts are year over year change so
AA PHX-STL OCT 3>2
AA PHX-MCI OCT 3>2
would indicate there were 3 flights last year in OCT.
alasizon wrote:
Legacy carriers are actually what was for "sale" last week as opposed to this week while he does the comparison of YoY for the LCCs that don't file 11 months in advance (vs legacies do). Its one of the things listed in the Q&A at the top of his threads
Samfam1000 wrote:allegiantflyer wrote:This is a HUGE victory!!! I am so excited after years of searches we finally have a second long haul!!! im sure many of you are also very excited because im preaching to the choir but when I read that headline I got chills down my spine and jumped out of my chair!!!
A "Huge" victory? This is a joke. So many markets are sequring multiple non stop year round overseas flights and PHX can only get this. This is an embarrassment. Sorry to vent but after watching SLC, SAN, SJC, and AUS score multiple overseas flights, it makes me realize how sorry the state of affairs are in PHX.
alasizon wrote:and maybe 4x weekly service to Japan (Air Asia X perhaps?)
paulsaz wrote:Austin is getting 3x weekly flights to LGW on Norwegian.
https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/news/2017/07/05/austin-lands-more-direct-flights-to-global.html?ana=yahoo&yptr=yahoo
alasizon wrote:One of the issues for INTL service for PHX is that the market demographic in PHX is so domestic heavy when compared with similar sized markets. Getting daily service to FRA and maybe 4x weekly service to Japan (Air Asia X perhaps?) would probably be about all PHX is going to get beyond some sort of 2nd UK frequency for a decent while. That being said, PHX is in a position to add some great domestic markets that it currently doesn't service.
Vctony wrote:If AA were to give up some gates in N1 or WN was to give up some gates in S4 once S1 is online, than I can see some potential for expansion to other markets. However, AA and WN would probably rather squat on gates than allow other carriers to have access to them.