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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:49 am

Midwestindy wrote:
TheGeordielad wrote:
How many spare gates are at PIT?


According to an article I read from the Milwaukee Business Journal from July 1, 2016 , Christina Cassotis, chief executive officer of the Allegheny County Airport Authority, said more than half of Pittsburgh’s gates — 40 of 75 — sit vacant. However, that might have changed a bit since the article is from 2016.

Here is the link http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/ne ... ks-to.html

Thanks that was a lot of help.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:34 am

Midwestindy wrote:
Haha I genuinely laughed when I read this. You are very mislead if you think that airports like IND and BNA would die to have added ulcc flights to ICELAND!, and LCC 2x a week June-September seasonal flights to Germany.

They most certainly would.

Midwestindy wrote:
Talk to me when PIT brings in 5.4 Billion dollars to the local economy

Why would I need to do that? PIT's economic impact is over $5.6 billion. I'm actually surprised its higher than IND considering the large FedEx hub there.
http://www.penndot.gov/TravelInPA/airports-pa/Documents/Economic%20Impact/Pittsburgh%20International%20Airport%20Economic%20Impact.pdf

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talk to me when PIT gets flights to SAN, SEA, SLC, OAK, MEM, or SAT, Talk to me when PIT gets airlines like VX/AS/WS to start service without giving them a million dollars. The service PIT has added really can't compare to the service IND and BNA have added in the past two years. Domestically for 2017, you are adding NK, the airline consistently ranked last in the US, and one G4 flight to VPS, congratulations! IND is adding a second nonstop to SFO on VX, nonstop to SEA on AS, nonstop to SAN on WN, nonstop to EWR on WN, and VPS and AUS on G4. BNA is adding nonstop to MSP on WN, nonstop to SEA on DL, third nonstop to bay area on VX, nonstop to RDU on DL, and nonstop to YYC on WS.

Over the past couple years F9 entered PIT, G4 added 10 destinations, WN added some more, and NK will soon start 7. Just because the expansion IND has seen differs from that of PIT does not make your point valid.

Midwestindy wrote:
not to mention the PIT airport gave DL 9 MILLION dollars to start the route to CDG.

PIT gave DL nowhere near $9 million, again you don't know your facts.

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Why would anyone want to watch and learn, BNA and IND are doing very well compared to PIT, and both have passed PIT in terms of passenger traffic and economic impact on its city.

In the entire history of aviation IND has been busier than PIT for one year. I wouldn't get too smug. And what exactly is it that PIT should learn lol?

On a broader note, you might want to consider growing up if you are going to post on this forum.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:41 pm

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In the entire history of aviation IND has been busier than PIT for one year. I wouldn't get too smug. And what exactly is it that PIT should learn lol?

On a broader note, you might want to consider growing up if you are going to post on this forum.

To add, I was looking at the 2015 financial statuses of both airports a few days ago and was going to post about it but decided not to, but going from memory... Looking at the total direct revenue (operational and non-operational revenue) of each airport and their direct operating costs, IND lost 15mil while PIT posted a 15 Mil profit. IND's revenue was ~206mil vs PIT's ~176mil.

IND has continuously been in the red. Now PIt hasn't been much better, but as far as I know/can tell, PIT was hit harder than INd when the hub was removed.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:19 pm

Just sitting here thinking to myself, but honestly, what are the chances of the PIT-KEF route actually lasting more than a year? I just don't know if we have enough traffic to support it.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:48 pm

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Just sitting here thinking to myself, but honestly, what are the chances of the PIT-KEF route actually lasting more than a year? I just don't know if we have enough traffic to support it.


Probably pretty good considering they've already increased the frequency to 5x per week because of the demand.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:42 pm

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Lemieux wrote:
Just sitting here thinking to myself, but honestly, what are the chances of the PIT-KEF route actually lasting more than a year? I just don't know if we have enough traffic to support it.


Probably pretty good considering they've already increased the frequency to 5x per week because of the demand.

What was it at orginally, 4x a week?
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:02 pm

Yep, it was 4x.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:29 pm

I'd say the interesting question for PIT international is delta. Due to WOW, prices in the CDG nonstop are way way down in coach this year, easily $500 lower r/t. That can't be good for yields.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:26 pm

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I'd say the interesting question for PIT international is delta. Due to WOW, prices in the CDG nonstop are way way down in coach this year, easily $500 lower r/t. That can't be good for yields.


Which dates did you look at? I checked August and it still returned an $1800 r/t price for me, which is where it usually sits.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:27 pm

AaronPGH wrote:
ncflyer wrote:
I'd say the interesting question for PIT international is delta. Due to WOW, prices in the CDG nonstop are way way down in coach this year, easily $500 lower r/t. That can't be good for yields.


Which dates did you look at? I checked August and it still returned an $1800 r/t price for me, which is where it usually sits.

Same for me, cheapest I could find was around $1200 RT in June IIRC
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Apr 25, 2017 6:24 pm

I'm booking a trip in the July 7 ish to July 17 ish time frame and depending on days of week the nonstop CDG Delta fare is around $1300 +/-. Since I live in CLE I'm also pricing Detroit which is $1500+. I looked at RDU out of curiosity since it's a nonhub Delta flight and that one too prices at $1500. CLE is $1800+ which is laughable. PIT prices are in same ballpark as other markets served by ULCC such as IAD and BOS and JFK and EWR.

At the end the day though the money is really made up front, that is what holds key for PIT/DL holding off WOW price erosion.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:14 pm

I really don't think WOW and Delta are competing for the same passengers. If anything, it's the Condor flights that may interfere a little bit. The folks I know flying WOW are the ones that were driving to NYC or Baltimore to catch ULCC to Europe. Corporate flyers aren't taking WOW.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:58 pm

On the surface I don't disagree with you about WOW vs. Delta. However, why are DL/AF fares out of PIT much lower this summer compared to last summer? And why are they so much lower than DTW or RDU on nonstops? or CLE on the one stops when typically nonstops are priced at a premium? That can't be a coincidence. Only thing that I know has changed out of PIT is WOW and Condor. . . .
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:58 pm

Here's a random thought, what do you think the chances are of Norwegian possibly starting up a route to LGW? With WOW and Condor, wouldn't surprise me.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Sun May 07, 2017 7:47 pm

Part of the package that will bring Alcoa's Corporate HQ back to Pittsburgh is a commitment for expansion of flight options at PIT

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/n ... alcoa.html

One would hope there would be a big push for flights to West Coast business markets. I can't imagine that the likes of NK on PIT-LAX is....well suited to the business crowd.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Sun May 07, 2017 10:49 pm

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Here's a random thought, what do you think the chances are of Norwegian possibly starting up a route to LGW? With WOW and Condor, wouldn't surprise me.

I think pretty good, like WOW Air Norwegian would greatly expand the catchment area to several hundred miles with their low fares. I'm sure the ACAA is negotiating with them. I remember a year ago, before PIT-KEF was announced Ms. Cassotis specifically mentioned KEF and DUB as target markets. Norwegian would be the carrier to target for DUB.

Speaking of Condor I've been curious about their bookings so I compared seating charts between FRA-PIT/MSY/AUS/BWI on a random day in mid July, plus or minus a day or two between the cities because they are not all served on the same day. Seat selection for business class and premium economy is free so it should be a good indicator of loads. There is a charge for seat selection in economy so the real loads would be higher than shown.

So for business class both FRA-PIT and AUS are sold out, MSY slightly more than half full, and not offered to BWI.

For Premium Economy FRA-PIT had double the seats blocked off as MSY and slightly more than AUS. BWI has a much larger premium economy due to no business class but on a percentage basis PIT had a fuller cabin with only 3 open seats.

For economy PIT again had almost double the seats selected as MSY, similar number as AUS and slightly more than BWI.

So a very good showing for PIT. I checked a few other dates from PIT only and the results were similar. Condor's PIT schedule is so limited this year and I would not be surprised to see a much broader offering next year.

DL's PIT-CDG seems to be doing much better than last year with much improved departure times.



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Part of the package that will bring Alcoa's Corporate HQ back to Pittsburgh is a commitment for expansion of flight options at PIT

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/n ... alcoa.html

One would hope there would be a big push for flights to West Coast business markets. I can't imagine that the likes of NK on PIT-LAX is....well suited to the business crowd.


Alcoa will only be bringing back a handful of employees so I don't think that will affect things at the airport at all. The vast majority of their corporate and research staff have always been in Pittsburgh, including their corporate flight dept. It was only the CEO and his staff which moved to NYC years ago. But its always good to have another major corporate headquarters for bragging rights. Too bad they fell off the Fortune 500 list when they split the company in half. But we actually gained two new headquarters as a result.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Wed May 10, 2017 5:21 am

PIT has hired someone to over see airfield development (at $190k)

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/regio ... 1705090168

Also, looked at United's big SFO expansion, and no mention of PIT going year round. Meanwhile, IND and BNA are getting double daily year round service while actually having fewer average pax/day. So the bizarre situation with LAX is replicating itself with the Bay Area as well, where IND and BNA are continuing to lap PIT by like a margin of 4X-5X the service. I still can't explain it.

Here's the data:

rank … pax/day ….. n/s seats … fl/day
31 ……… 528 ……… 746 ……… 3 ……. STL
32 ……… 523 ……… 854 ……… 3 ……. RDU
33 ……… 503 ……… 794 ……… 3 ……. BWI
34 ……… 499 ……… 770 ……… 3 ……. CLE
35 ……… 399 ……… 598 ……… 2 ……. MSY
36 ……… 379 ……… 286 ……… 1 ……. MKE
37 ……… 378 ……… 256 ……… 1 ……. PIT
38 ……… 373 ……… 750 ……… 3 ……. IND
39 ……… 370 …………. 0 ……… 0 ……. LGA
40 ……… 358 ……… 308 ……… 1 ……. TPA
41 ……… 356 ……… 700 ……… 2 ……. MDW
42 ……… 328 ……… 410 ……… 2 ……. CVG
43 ……… 315 ……… 608 ……… 4 ……. MCI
44 ……… 303 ……… 900 ……… 9 ……. ONT
45 ……… 298 ……… 750 ……… 3 ……. BNA
46 ……… 246 …………. 0 ……… 0 ……. BDL (seasonal nonstop service will have ended by then)
47 ……… 234 ……… 152 ……… 1 ……. SAT
48 ……… 219 …………. 0 ……… 0 ……. CMH
49 ……… 181 …………. 0 ……… 0 ……. JAX
50 ……… 170 ……… 152 ……… 1 ……. OMA
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Wed May 10, 2017 8:07 pm

GSP psgr wrote:
PIT has hired someone to over see airfield development (at $190k)

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/regio ... 1705090168

Also, looked at United's big SFO expansion, and no mention of PIT going year round. Meanwhile, IND and BNA are getting double daily year round service while actually having fewer average pax/day. So the bizarre situation with LAX is replicating itself with the Bay Area as well, where IND and BNA are continuing to lap PIT by like a margin of 4X-5X the service. I still can't explain it.

Here's the data:

rank … pax/day ….. n/s seats … fl/day
31 ……… 528 ……… 746 ……… 3 ……. STL
32 ……… 523 ……… 854 ……… 3 ……. RDU
33 ……… 503 ……… 794 ……… 3 ……. BWI
34 ……… 499 ……… 770 ……… 3 ……. CLE
35 ……… 399 ……… 598 ……… 2 ……. MSY
36 ……… 379 ……… 286 ……… 1 ……. MKE
37 ……… 378 ……… 256 ……… 1 ……. PIT
38 ……… 373 ……… 750 ……… 3 ……. IND
39 ……… 370 …………. 0 ……… 0 ……. LGA
40 ……… 358 ……… 308 ……… 1 ……. TPA
41 ……… 356 ……… 700 ……… 2 ……. MDW
42 ……… 328 ……… 410 ……… 2 ……. CVG
43 ……… 315 ……… 608 ……… 4 ……. MCI
44 ……… 303 ……… 900 ……… 9 ……. ONT
45 ……… 298 ……… 750 ……… 3 ……. BNA
46 ……… 246 …………. 0 ……… 0 ……. BDL (seasonal nonstop service will have ended by then)
47 ……… 234 ……… 152 ……… 1 ……. SAT
48 ……… 219 …………. 0 ……… 0 ……. CMH
49 ……… 181 …………. 0 ……… 0 ……. JAX
50 ……… 170 ……… 152 ……… 1 ……. OMA


I am so confused by this. Add CVG to the list of cities with 4x the demand, there was an error on that original posting:
42 ……… 328 ……… 918 ……… 3 ……. CVG
I cannot believe a city like PIT has a 1/4 of the seats per day that CVG has to SFO! I would love to see United add a 2nd daily flight. For new carriers, I could see Virgin/Alaska to SFO or WN to OAK. Also, comparing fares, on June 12, one-way CVG-SFO is $164, CLE-SFO is $119, and PIT-SFO is $495! I cannot believe that a LCC has not already tried this route!
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Fri May 12, 2017 4:39 am

PIT-west coast is indeed ridiculous compared to our peer cities, no more so than only UA offering one daily seasonal flight to SFO. I imagine what needs to happen in PIT is exactly what happened at IND - AS entering the market causing UA to get serious or drop out.

Its great that NK is starting PIT-LAX, but amazing there is no business class product in the market.


"Pittsburgh to Panama? Airport authority in talks with Copa Airlines on possible flights"
http://www.post-gazette.com/local/region/2017/05/12/Copa-Airlines-pittsburgh-panama-flights-pit-airport/stories/201705120082

A few months ago I would have said no way. But after securing scheduled charter flights from China nothing surprises me anymore especially how this air service development team has been on a roll internationally. Long term play; why not?


Construction manager hired for the airport's world trade center site:
http://www.post-gazette.com/news/transportation/2017/04/22/Airport-authority-moving-quickly-on-trade-center-development/stories/201704220066
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Mon May 15, 2017 3:56 am

Ms. Cassotis continues her networking in the Middle East:
https://www.tradearabia.com/news/TTN_324895.html


"Southwest Flight From Orlando To Pittsburgh Diverted To Allegheny County Airport"
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2017/05/ ... y-airport/

How low on fuel does one need to be to divert to AGC, only 16 nm away!? Just speculating but the airshow at PIT might have caused some delays, but once an emergency is declared the airshow takes a back seat.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Mon May 15, 2017 4:47 am

flyPIT wrote:
Ms. Cassotis continues her networking in the Middle East:
https://www.tradearabia.com/news/TTN_324895.html


"Southwest Flight From Orlando To Pittsburgh Diverted To Allegheny County Airport"
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2017/05/ ... y-airport/

How low on fuel does one need to be to divert to AGC, only 16 nm away!? Just speculating but the airshow at PIT might have caused some delays, but once an emergency is declared the airshow takes a back seat.


I believe that this occurred during the Thunderbirds portion of the airshow. One of our captains who was also holding when that diversion took place was telling me about it this afternoon. It blew his mind as well as mine that they went into AGC. The Thunderbirds show stops for no one I suppose.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Mon May 15, 2017 6:27 am

PG article talking about demolishing some of the gate space.

http://www.post-gazette.com/in-the-lead ... 1705260023

I've always been an agnostic on it, but as is, Southwest will probably keep expanding on A, C will stay for Int'l flights, and D is pretty full. That leaves the far end of B. It'd probably require moving the B6/NK/DL/OneJet traffic from D to B.

Keep in mind that BWI, BNA, and to a lesser extent RDU had decades of being ghost towns after US Airways and American left town. All three are now booming and full again-BNA even needs more gates, and the WN portion of BWI is getting to be packed as well (to the point where I could see AA getting shuffled over to D eventually). Even over at STL, WN has taken about a third of the mausoleum that was Concourse D and added it to their operation on E. While I don't think we'll see all 75 gates in use again for 30 years, I could see PIT climb from 40 active gates to the 55-60 range again in the next 10-15 years. Heck, maybe even better if someone eventually figures out how to make 50-70 seat point to point work again.

I think they're better off just riding things out and waiting for the better days ahead....I could actually see that service boom in 2018/2019 as the debt is paid off, and BWI hits those upper limits (cough).
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Mon May 15, 2017 1:22 pm

flyPIT wrote:
"Pittsburgh to Panama? Airport authority in talks with Copa Airlines on possible flights"
http://www.post-gazette.com/local/regio ... 1705120082

A few months ago I would have said no way. But after securing scheduled charter flights from China nothing surprises me anymore especially how this air service development team has been on a roll internationally. Long term play; why not?

This has been in the works for years. When service starts it will only be 3 or 4 times a week. This flight would in no way be about traffic between PIT-PTY but rather the possible flight connections beyond PTY, cities in Central and South America.

flyPIT wrote:
PIT-west coast is indeed ridiculous compared to our peer cities, no more so than only UA offering one daily seasonal flight to SFO. I imagine what needs to happen in PIT is exactly what happened at IND - AS entering the market causing UA to get serious or drop out.

Its great that NK is starting PIT-LAX, but amazing there is no business class product in the market.

Wouldn't be surprised to see WN add SJC or OAK and NK add OAK.

flyPIT wrote:
"Southwest Flight From Orlando To Pittsburgh Diverted To Allegheny County Airport"
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2017/05/ ... y-airport/

How low on fuel does one need to be to divert to AGC, only 16 nm away!? Just speculating but the airshow at PIT might have caused some delays, but once an emergency is declared the airshow takes a back seat.

Interesting choice of a diversion airport.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Mon May 15, 2017 3:41 pm

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PIT-west coast is indeed ridiculous compared to our peer cities, no more so than only UA offering one daily seasonal flight to SFO. I imagine what needs to happen in PIT is exactly what happened at IND - AS entering the market causing UA to get serious or drop out.

Its great that NK is starting PIT-LAX, but amazing there is no business class product in the market.

With NK starting this route, I'd expect one of the legacy carriers to hop in and offer a business product, still astounded AA dropped their route in February, remember looking on NRTP and seeing that flight consistently full.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Mon May 15, 2017 5:26 pm

CLE and PIT are sister cities, very close in size, close in manufacturing heritage, close to each other. Would you trade PIT's now superior international service (wow maybe Panama, that would be fantastic!) with CLE's superior west coast service? Personally, as a Clevelander, I'd take Pittsburgh. It's a much harder barrier to get international service added, PIT has seemingly overcome that one and has some very nice momentum.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Mon May 15, 2017 6:02 pm

dabpit wrote:
This has been in the works for years. When service starts it will only be 3 or 4 times a week. This flight would in no way be about traffic between PIT-PTY but rather the possible flight connections beyond PTY, cities in Central and South America.

You mean "IF" service starts. Its still a long shot and far off if it does happen. Yes such a flight would be about onward connections but the local market would also see significant stimulation with a nonstop flight considering how small it currently is. If the tour groups get on board local demand could surge if for no other reason than it is a new leisure destination.


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CLE and PIT are sister cities, very close in size, close in manufacturing heritage, close to each other. Would you trade PIT's now superior international service (wow maybe Panama, that would be fantastic!) with CLE's superior west coast service? Personally, as a Clevelander, I'd take Pittsburgh. It's a much harder barrier to get international service added, PIT has seemingly overcome that one and has some very nice momentum.

I wouldn't make that trade at all for the reasons you gave. On paper increasing west coast service should have been much easier than building up our Europe service. Its not only CLE which has vastly superior west coast service, but CVG and IND as well. As previously stated up to 4x the number of flights; something has to give.

On a side note, I really don't consider CLE and PIT to be sister cities. Yes, they share industrial heritage. But that's all it is... heritage. Pittsburgh's future is tied to financial and legal services, energy, "Eds and Meds", and robotics/autonomous research. Honestly I don't know what is in common with Cleveland these days other than "Meds". Here's a good article on where Pittsburgh is headed:
http://www.phillymag.com/business/2017/04/29/pittsburgh-philadelphia-tech-innovation/
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Mon May 15, 2017 7:40 pm

flyPIT wrote:
dabpit wrote:
This has been in the works for years. When service starts it will only be 3 or 4 times a week. This flight would in no way be about traffic between PIT-PTY but rather the possible flight connections beyond PTY, cities in Central and South America.

You mean "IF" service starts. Its still a long shot and far off if it does happen. Yes such a flight would be about onward connections but the local market would also see significant stimulation with a nonstop flight considering how small it currently is. If the tour groups get on board local demand could surge if for no other reason than it is a new leisure destination.


ncflyer wrote:
CLE and PIT are sister cities, very close in size, close in manufacturing heritage, close to each other. Would you trade PIT's now superior international service (wow maybe Panama, that would be fantastic!) with CLE's superior west coast service? Personally, as a Clevelander, I'd take Pittsburgh. It's a much harder barrier to get international service added, PIT has seemingly overcome that one and has some very nice momentum.

I wouldn't make that trade at all for the reasons you gave. On paper increasing west coast service should have been much easier than building up our Europe service. Its not only CLE which has vastly superior west coast service, but CVG and IND as well. As previously stated up to 4x the number of flights; something has to give.

On a side note, I really don't consider CLE and PIT to be sister cities. Yes, they share industrial heritage. But that's all it is... heritage. Pittsburgh's future is tied to financial and legal services, energy, "Eds and Meds", and robotics/autonomous research. Honestly I don't know what is in common with Cleveland these days other than "Meds". Here's a good article on where Pittsburgh is headed:
http://www.phillymag.com/business/2017/04/29/pittsburgh-philadelphia-tech-innovation/


Agree to disagree. According to the US Bureau of Labor, Pittsburgh's economy is growing at same pace as Cleveland's over the last couple of years. Neither are doing all that spectacular.

Their economies are of almost equal size. Pitt is bigger if you don't count Akron. Cleveland's is bigger with Akron. Either way, it's not that dramatic of a change.

Cleveland still has more manufacturing than Pittsburgh and Cleveland's "Eds and Meds" economy is about 85% of Pittsburgh. That being said, Cleveland's "Eds and Meds" sector is creating jobs at a faster clip than Pittsburgh probably because Cleveland has more "Meds" than "Eds".

Financial services are roughly the same size.

Hard to think they're different outside of the energy sector.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Mon May 15, 2017 8:41 pm

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You mean "IF" service starts. Its still a long shot and far off if it does happen. Yes such a flight would be about onward connections but the local market would also see significant stimulation with a nonstop flight considering how small it currently is. If the tour groups get on board local demand could surge if for no other reason than it is a new leisure destination.

It will happen, this is the only option to Central and South America that makes sense for PIT.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue May 16, 2017 12:01 am

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Agree to disagree. According to the US Bureau of Labor, Pittsburgh's economy is growing at same pace as Cleveland's over the last couple of years. Neither are doing all that spectacular.

Their economies are of almost equal size. Pitt is bigger if you don't count Akron. Cleveland's is bigger with Akron. Either way, it's not that dramatic of a change.

Cleveland still has more manufacturing than Pittsburgh and Cleveland's "Eds and Meds" economy is about 85% of Pittsburgh. That being said, Cleveland's "Eds and Meds" sector is creating jobs at a faster clip than Pittsburgh probably because Cleveland has more "Meds" than "Eds".

Financial services are roughly the same size.

Hard to think they're different outside of the energy sector.

I dunno, I just don't see the similarities that much anymore. Agreed the economies are of similar size, but the make up of those economies has shifted. Like you said, Cleveland still has a significant manufacturing base while Pittsburgh does not. I think a lot of that has to do with the much more business friendly environment OH has over PA. As for financial services I don't see how they are on par. PNC bank is the nation's 8th largest bank. BNY/Mellon is the 11th. While BNY/Mellon is HQ'ed in NYC their largest office is in Pittsburgh, to include their largest concentration of employees and corporate flt dept. So you have the largest offices of two of the nations 11 largest banks in Pittsburgh. Federated Investors is also one of the 50 largest financial services firms. I'm sure Cleveland has other things going for it, but the two cities just look and feel so different to me.



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flyPIT wrote:
You mean "IF" service starts. Its still a long shot and far off if it does happen. Yes such a flight would be about onward connections but the local market would also see significant stimulation with a nonstop flight considering how small it currently is. If the tour groups get on board local demand could surge if for no other reason than it is a new leisure destination.

It will happen, this is the only option to Central and South America that makes sense for PIT.

I agree PTY would be the best option for a nonstop to that region, but there are other unserved cities with much greater demand. But if there is an air service development team that can pull it off it is ours. It will be interesting to see what happens in the years ahead.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue May 16, 2017 1:02 am

flyPIT wrote:
... Agreed the economies are of similar size, but the make up of those economies has shifted. Like you said, Cleveland still has a significant manufacturing base while Pittsburgh does not. I think a lot of that has to do with the much more business friendly environment OH has over PA.


Not to go too OT, but "business friendliness" or lack thereof is probably not as much a factor as some would like us to think. I think it's as much historical as anything. Pittsburgh was traditionally big into primary industries, while Northeastern Ohio in general was and still is a big auto industry 2nd-3rd tier supplier area. The heavy mills are gone, or mostly gone, and while there is a fair amount of small manufacturing around, it never did take up the slack; whereas the auto supplier sector might be fluid but it's still there.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue May 16, 2017 4:14 am

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The heavy mills are gone, or mostly gone ...


Actually the county just approved the construction of a brand new "green-field" rolling mill in Cuyahoga Heights. The kicker? Unlike the old days, it won't employ twenty-five hundred people - it will employ twenty-five. Period. That's automation!

Back on the subject of air service: yeah, CLE fans are green with envy over PIT's int'l flights. :sorry:
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue May 16, 2017 11:21 am

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PITingres wrote:
The heavy mills are gone, or mostly gone ...


Actually the county just approved the construction of a brand new "green-field" rolling mill in Cuyahoga Heights. The kicker? Unlike the old days, it won't employ twenty-five hundred people - it will employ twenty-five. Period. That's automation!

Back on the subject of air service: yeah, CLE fans are green with envy over PIT's int'l flights. :sorry:

There is also a massive new plant of some sort being built along 376 near Monaca, but other than that, I think the biggest thing we have going for us is tech / medicine, which I'm still surprised that in and of itself isn't enough to warrant a PIT - west coast flight.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue May 16, 2017 7:40 pm

Damn, I live right on the approach path for the county airport I wish I would have been home at the time to see it coming in but I was at the airshow :)
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue May 16, 2017 7:51 pm

Speaking of the airshow... did anyone else see this about the diverted Southwest 737 at AGC?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/f ... 101746902/

The weird thing is they have a quote at the bottom from Maj. Charles Baker, the chief of the air show. He says there is no way the air show would have caused this.

"They had procedures in place to clear the airspace for a Pittsburgh-bound commercial flight in such a situation.
Baker told the Post-Gazette he's still gathering information about the incident, which – so far – he’s labeled as a head-scratcher."

Did the pilot mess up some how?
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue May 16, 2017 8:10 pm

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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Wed May 17, 2017 12:42 pm

pitbosflyer wrote:
Speaking of the airshow... did anyone else see this about the diverted Southwest 737 at AGC?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/f ... 101746902/

The weird thing is they have a quote at the bottom from Maj. Charles Baker, the chief of the air show. He says there is no way the air show would have caused this.

"They had procedures in place to clear the airspace for a Pittsburgh-bound commercial flight in such a situation.
Baker told the Post-Gazette he's still gathering information about the incident, which – so far – he’s labeled as a head-scratcher."

Did the pilot mess up some how?

Unless the pilot is unfamiliar with procedures, there's no way the air show didn't cause this.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Wed May 17, 2017 6:11 pm

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Unless the pilot is unfamiliar with procedures, there's no way the air show didn't cause this.


There's no way the airshow caused that plane to go to AGC. Did you even read the P-G article?
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Sat May 20, 2017 12:58 am

Very nice growth figures for April. Total traffic up over 11%, which brings YTD up 6%.
http://www.flypittsburgh.com/newsroom/news-releases/passenger-traffic-jumps-more-than-11-in-april;-la

Waiting for March numbers to be officially released? But using the interactive chart in this article looks like March was up 4.8%
http://triblive.com/local/allegheny/12317994-74/pittsburgh-international-airport-has-biggest-monthly-passenger-increase-since-2011

Great numbers for April which will only grow stronger after Spirit and WOW start service.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Wed May 24, 2017 5:16 pm

 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Wed May 24, 2017 9:41 pm

The State senate passed the legislation allowing online gambling and slot machines in airports. I'm not sure how much revenue the airports will get from this.
"AIRPORT GAMBLING

Casinos or other entities with an online gambling permit could seek approval from the Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board to operate an online gambling parlor at an international or regional airport in Pennsylvania, with an agreement from the airport authority. The machines would be accessible only to ticketed passengers. Fees to install the machines would be $5 million at the Philadelphia airport; $2.5 million for the Pittsburgh airport; $1 million for Erie, Wilkes-Barre/Scranton, Lehigh Valley and Harrisburg; and $250,000 for Arnold Palmer Regional Airport in Latrobe and University Park Airport in State College. Airport slot-machine gambling would be taxed at a 34 percent rate to the state.
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http://www.dailyjournal.net/2017/05/24/pa-xgr-gambling-expansion-glance/


Pittsburgh identified by MetLife as one of four new generation technology hubs:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/technology-hubs-offer-strong-growth-103000815.html


In addition to Spirit launching flights, tomorrow also marks the return of DL's PIT-CDG service.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Wed May 24, 2017 11:12 pm

I hope they keep this classy (as possible) with the gambling machines. As in, an actual retail property (a bar maybe?) instead of right out in the concourses like Vegas. I'm assuming that's the plan, but you never know. The best case scenario would be to plant it in the concourses where most of the vegas and leisure carriers are going, but I could see how that would limit potential revenue.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Thu May 25, 2017 12:41 am

I made the suggestion a while back to use the old US Airways clubs above the A and B concourses.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue May 30, 2017 8:04 pm

Southern Airways will be transferring one of its DUJ-BWI flights to DUJ-PIT for a total of 4 flights on a weekday. Its interesting ridership to PIT outnumbers ridership to BWI 2 to 1 even with the large WN hub there.
http://wjactv.com/news/local/additional-flight-to-pittsburgh-coming-to-dubois-regional-airport


Very interesting details about how the region is financially tied to OneJet. My understanding is a $1 miilion grant came from gambling revenues (which I personally have no problem with), and two separate $1 miilion loans came from state and local sources outside the ACAA, which I assume will be repaid assuming OneJet is successful in the long term. This is all in addition to private investments by the former PNC Bank Chairman and a Pittsburgh Steeler co-owner.
http://triblive.com/local/allegheny/12309717-74/looking-to-grow-its-airport-pittsburgh-invests-3m-in-startup-onejet

Personally I would have preferred such an investment strategy in a stand alone regional airline operating 30-50 seat turboprops offering lower fares and higher frequency with the potential for greater growth opportunities. But at least the airport authority, region, and state are doing everything in their power to add service at PIT.

Onejet will double their PIT fleet by the end of the year and announce 3 more destinations next month.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:56 am

Interesting bit I've heard from my buddy who works the ramp for Spirit/Frontier/Condor/WOW, this may mean absolutely nothing but since the second day Spirit started flying out of PIT, they've only been loading give or take 10 bags on the DFW route, and the loads have been consistently light. If that actually turns out to be true, and with Spirit only serving routes that already have established service, gotta wonder if they'll last long.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:02 pm

Spirit seems to be VERY successful at LBE. LBE has shorter lines at TSA & FREE Parking, PLUS NO competition from other carriers at LBE. I don't have any idea of load numbers at PIT for Spirit, but, I do agree, Spirit does seem to have a reputation of pulling routes quickly if they don't feel they are going to make any money.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:16 pm

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Spirit seems to be VERY successful at LBE. LBE has shorter lines at TSA & FREE Parking, PLUS NO competition from other carriers at LBE. I don't have any idea of load numbers at PIT for Spirit, but, I do agree, Spirit does seem to have a reputation of pulling routes quickly if they don't feel they are going to make any money.

The one thing that I don't get with NK is that they're gonna be serving well-established routes that are already served from PIT, which doesn't make much sense to me. As much as I despise NK and everything they stand for, I'd like to see them stick around for the sake of the airport.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:49 pm

Per the OAG Changes 6/4/2017. AA is cutting the PIT-BOS frequency in half. Not that much of a surprise with the amount of seats B6 is putting on that route. But still a sad reminder of AA's continued cuts in PIT.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1364963&hilit=bos
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:03 pm

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Per the OAG Changes 6/4/2017. AA is cutting the PIT-BOS frequency in half. Not that much of a surprise with the amount of seats B6 is putting on that route. But still a sad reminder of AA's continued cuts in PIT.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1364963&hilit=bos


Conversely, though, for the first time in living memory come the September schedule, AA will be majority mainline on PIT-ORD, running 3x 738s. That's a big shift from even last year. Kind of surprised AA hasn't upgauged at least one of the 3 daily PIT-MIA to a 319/320/738, though I wonder if that has something to do with rotating the E-175s up for maintenance.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:26 pm

GSP psgr wrote:
Conversely, though, for the first time in living memory come the September schedule, AA will be majority mainline on PIT-ORD, running 3x 738s. That's a big shift from even last year.


This is just my observation and could be wrong. I've flown on the e175s they have on the PIT-ORD route a few times and they are always almost completely full. Seems like a good candidate for an up gauge to mainline.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:45 pm

pitbosflyer wrote:
GSP psgr wrote:
Conversely, though, for the first time in living memory come the September schedule, AA will be majority mainline on PIT-ORD, running 3x 738s. That's a big shift from even last year.


This is just my observation and could be wrong. I've flown on the e175s they have on the PIT-ORD route a few times and they are always almost completely full. Seems like a good candidate for an up gauge to mainline.

Also wish they'd upgauge DFW to a 321, it's insanely hard to non-rev on that route when it's a 319 or MD80
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