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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:48 pm

AaronPGH wrote:
I have to say that the improvements that I've seen (new bathrooms, seating in landside, baggage claim carpet) are disappointing. Not necessarily bad by themselves, but not even trying to fit in with the original airport design by Tasso Katselas. It's clear that the person responsible for choosing them doesn't know a thing about brutalism.

I think that's the point. The midfield terminal must be one of the most brutalist examples of modern architecture in Southwest Pennsylvania, especially the exterior of the landside building. Someone should have told Katselas he was designing an airport not a bomb shelter. I still can't believe they signed off on a design built around concrete when every other major airport project in the world had moved on to steel and glass.

I agree about the new carpeting in baggage claim however, they could have picked better colors but I think it is all temporary anyway. We'll have to see what the new master plan brings.


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This was on the airport's facebook page awhile back. Image

Its hard to tell from the image, but the brown portion of the flooring is actually some kind of laminate paneling. Looks great in person. It was a couple weeks since I went over and they were just getting started, but that flooring and the seats they did put in looked good. I did not sit in them so can't speak from a comfort standpoint.


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Looks like something's going on, there are 4-6 Falcons parked over at Atlantic as well.

Well the Penguins did just win a Stanley Cup and Victory Parade is tomorrow. Last night the corporate iron at Atlantic ranged from a 757 on down.


flymco753 wrote:
What markets could WW possibly stimulate from PIT-Europe that could grow a route for another airline to serve? Obviously DE is doing FRA, so that'll see growth, but what about the future? CDG, LHR, AMS, all of these destinations that DL or AA could serve or with partners for connections.

I posted the following in another thread about an idea for PIT-MUC:
"It's pretty amazing that PIT has 3 nonstop destinations in Europe yet not one of them is to London, by far the largest market. I agree the ACAA is not done expanding PIT's int'l portfolio especially after pulling off the upcoming scheduled nonstop charters from China.

I was thinking about Condor's PIT-FRA and how limited the first year's season is. It was announced much later than usual for new European route announcements so maybe aircraft availability played a factor. But the fact that they are willing to offer such limited seasons is interesting and with that in mind I wonder if there are opportunities for a similarly limited schedule to MUC. Specifically mid-Sept to mid-Aug for Oktoberfest. With good marketing I think such flights would be a success for beer drinking cities such as Pittsburgh. The city has the most bars per capita in the US, the most successful Hofbrauhaus in the US, and home to the future National Museum of Beer. The time of year should work well too - the seasonal N. America - FRA flights are ending so there may be a window of aircraft availability before the winter sun schedules kick in. PDX and a few other beer drinking cities might be a good option for this idea. Just a thought."


Other than that London is the obvious missing link. BA would be preferred for the business traveler, access to LHR, and onward connections but Norwegian would be preferred for lower fares, market stimulation from outside the region, and potential to add additional destinations such as DUB. If I had to pick one I'm actually leaning toward Norwegian based on their multiple destination strategy we have seen in other cities.


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I remember reading that there is a goal to have non-stop PIT-BOM within a decade. Large and growing Indian population here and they're starting businesses, some with offices back in India.

I'd hardly call our Indian population large, even if it is growing. I remember that quote and thought it was an unusual dartboard kind of thing. But the best way to serve India is through one of the ME3, the ACAA knows it, and have been working on that.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:51 pm

Certainly, what cities airlines serve is peculiar. BA started DAILY 787 service to LHR from AUS. They now use 787s. A daily 787 from PIT to LHR would make a lot of sense. Austin draws from San Antonio, both market areas like Pittsburgh. I was disappointed when DL cancelled the NW 787 orders. Daily PIT-CDG with a 787 would be great.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:03 pm

flyPIT wrote:
AaronPGH wrote:
I have to say that the improvements that I've seen (new bathrooms, seating in landside, baggage claim carpet) are disappointing. Not necessarily bad by themselves, but not even trying to fit in with the original airport design by Tasso Katselas. It's clear that the person responsible for choosing them doesn't know a thing about brutalism.

I think that's the point. The midfield terminal must be one of the most brutalist examples of modern architecture in Southwest Pennsylvania, especially the exterior of the landside building. Someone should have told Katselas he was designing an airport not a bomb shelter. I still can't believe they signed off on a design built around concrete when every other major airport project in the world had moved on to steel and glass.


Agreed, but there is a better way to work around what we've got than polka dots and funky colors. At least try to go clean and simple. Polished concrete floors, minimalistic touches, etc.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:23 am

Southwest abandoning inbound use of AA's automated baggage system.
http://www.post-gazette.com/news/transportation/2017/06/14/Southwest-Airlines-baggage-delivery-system-pittsburgh-international-airport/stories/201706140031

Not sure how much this affects them if they ever want to add a meaningful amount of flights.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:44 pm

If it's the same system installed 25 years ago, that's a problem. I'm sure after dehubbing, USAirways had not reason to upgrade it. Perhaps a new system is needed. SWA wants happy customers.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:47 pm

flyPIT wrote:
Southwest abandoning inbound use of AA's automated baggage system.
http://www.post-gazette.com/news/transp ... 1706140031

Not sure how much this affects them if they ever want to add a meaningful amount of flights.

Not surprised at all. I want to point out that the conveyor system is not "high speed" but in fact moves rather slow. Also AA has done everything possible to discourage WN from using the conveyor system... A fix to some of the issues with the system would be to convert it to RFID (would take work on the airlines side to roll out system wide, see what DL is doing) and to honestly increase the speed of the belt system to make it a true high speed conveyor system.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:49 pm

flyPIT wrote:
Southwest abandoning inbound use of AA's automated baggage system.
http://www.post-gazette.com/news/transportation/2017/06/14/Southwest-Airlines-baggage-delivery-system-pittsburgh-international-airport/stories/201706140031

Not sure how much this affects them if they ever want to add a meaningful amount of flights.


I can confirm the automated system is not helping WN. After arriving back from Tampa a few months ago we waiting almost a half and hour just for the first bag to show up. By the time all the bags were on the carousel it had been 40 minutes.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:24 pm

Does anyone know when the China flights begin?
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:08 pm

NKS added to its expansion with the flight to FLL this morning.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Thu Jun 15, 2017 4:41 pm

Spirit added Fort Myers and Tampa from PIT starting in November 9, 2017.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Thu Jun 15, 2017 4:50 pm

I stopped by the WOW Air booth down in Market Square this afternoon to try their scratch off tickets. Sadly, mine was a loser....
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:42 pm

OneJet is adding a second MKE flight:
http://www.aviationpros.com/press_release/12344340/onejet-adds-second-nonstop-milwaukee-to-pittsburgh-flight


NK's new RSW and TPA flights will be seasonal:
http://www.econotimes.com/Growing-on-the-Gulf-Coast-Spirit-Airlines-Connects-Hartford-and-Pittsburgh-to-Fort-Myers-and-Tampa-758612

Its great to see them add to PIT so soon. Both TPA and RSW are also served from LBE; makes one wonder even more about the future of LBE.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:43 pm

I was recently pricing out some flights for a friend from either PIT or LBE to Florida, and surprisingly, the cheapest option was always from Latrobe (not to mention savings from free parking). And while it is about an hour drive to LBE compared to 15-20 mins to PIT, the savings + parking makes all the difference.... I mean, by the time you find a spot and park at PIT, walk to building, then take the endless people movers to the landside building, checking, drop the bag(s), get through TSA, take the train, walk to the gate, it's the same time (if not more), than driving to LBE, park, walk 30 seconds to the terminal, drop the bag, go through security, and walk 10 feet to the gate...
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:01 pm

Cush wrote:
I was recently pricing out some flights for a friend from either PIT or LBE to Florida, and surprisingly, the cheapest option was always from Latrobe (not to mention savings from free parking). And while it is about an hour drive to LBE compared to 15-20 mins to PIT, the savings + parking makes all the difference.... I mean, by the time you find a spot and park at PIT, walk to building, then take the endless people movers to the landside building, checking, drop the bag(s), get through TSA, take the train, walk to the gate, it's the same time (if not more), than driving to LBE, park, walk 30 seconds to the terminal, drop the bag, go through security, and walk 10 feet to the gate...


Certainly, that is a plus of a using very small airport. But Spirit might feel it has better visibility at PIT, and those coming into PIT might have more amenities at PIT than LBE like more rental car options.

It also makes it easier to do one-ways from a main airport which has service from several carriers, e.g. fly Southwest or American on outbound, and return on Spirit or vice-versa. Spirit left AZA for PHX, but there was no overlap, while it's keeping LBE and PIT together, which seems to me rather experimental, to see if LBE can still sustain as a spoke, while it grows at PIT.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:14 pm

Another HondaJet coming in, owned by HNP Air in State College. This one has been all over the US and Canada with a trip to Greenland. Wonder how this jet will do?
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:40 am

- I recently took a 10 day trip with my family of 6 and parked in the Extended Lot to save money. We parked near the end of the people movers. As you can imagine we had tons of stuff especially with two of the four kids requiring car seats. I needed to rent a cart but had to go nearly halfway through the people mover section to get one and then take it back to our car to load up. Just a big waste of time. Why isn't there one right at the beginning/end of the people mover section? Was there ever one?

- Does anyone know why there wasn't at least one parking garage built for the Extended Lot? Was it ever considered? Would take up less space and can have cart rentals stationed by the parking garage elevators. Was it because of height restrictions?
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:23 am

CaptainMidnight wrote:
- I recently took a 10 day trip with my family of 6 and parked in the Extended Lot to save money. We parked near the end of the people movers. As you can imagine we had tons of stuff especially with two of the four kids requiring car seats. I needed to rent a cart but had to go nearly halfway through the people mover section to get one and then take it back to our car to load up. Just a big waste of time. Why isn't there one right at the beginning/end of the people mover section? Was there ever one?

- Does anyone know why there wasn't at least one parking garage built for the Extended Lot? Was it ever considered? Would take up less space and can have cart rentals stationed by the parking garage elevators. Was it because of height restrictions?


Not many airports in the world have climate controlled moving walkways through short term parking, long term parking, and all the way out to the edge of extended term/economy parking. You would have to endure a bus ride (which is also an available option at PIT) or very long outdoors walk from most airports' extended lot.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:46 am

CaptainMidnight wrote:
- I recently took a 10 day trip with my family of 6 and parked in the Extended Lot to save money. We parked near the end of the people movers. As you can imagine we had tons of stuff especially with two of the four kids requiring car seats. I needed to rent a cart but had to go nearly halfway through the people mover section to get one and then take it back to our car to load up. Just a big waste of time. Why isn't there one right at the beginning/end of the people mover section? Was there ever one?

- Does anyone know why there wasn't at least one parking garage built for the Extended Lot? Was it ever considered? Would take up less space and can have cart rentals stationed by the parking garage elevators. Was it because of height restrictions?


My guess as to why there isn't an extended garage, cost. When the airport was built they already spent $1 billion so they had to eliminate potential costs where they could. One of the most obvious areas where there was a lack of funds was the old commuter terminal, it was literally 3 hallways with a large waiting room (currently the alternate security checkpoint). Not exactly the best place to wait for/board a flight in winter and could have been designed much better. If they didn't have the funds to build a nicer terminal they probably weren't going to build a second garage.

I'm sure it was considered at some point during planning, even in a very basic way. They did plan a space for a rail station at the landside terminal after all. Actually I think there might be a sign of it currently. If you look at an aerial view of the parking lot on google maps, you'll see 2 grassy areas at the end of the moving walkway corridor that are the exact width of the corridor. I think it was planned to be extended and a garage would have been built across the street eventually. Also there wouldn't be any height restrictions. The Hyatt on property is 10 stories give or take and a garage would probably be 4/5 stories tops.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:38 pm

So during my travels this weekend I was able to get a look at the new seating and carpet in B. @Flaps was correct. The carpeting looks horrible. It clashes with everything else. It looks like a casino carpet. Really bizarre. I don't know why they didn't just only use the laminate wood flooring everywhere. Rather than the mix and match of carpet and flooring.
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I also noticed in that section of the terminal everything that used to be red is now a dark blue. Including the ceiling supports. I figure that is to bring the color scheme closer to the new airport branding.

The new lounge was also open and looked like a few people were inside. Couldn't sneak a picture through the door though.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:57 pm

Many diversions to PIT from the west today due to storms in the DC area.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:42 pm

Here's some pics of WOW's first flight to PIT:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/pitairport/albums/72157682280963874

Anna.aero coverage:
http://www.anna.aero/2017/06/19/wow-air-parades-pittsburgh/

New duty free shop:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/pitairport/albums/72157682209883822

New lounge:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/pitairport/albums/72157682060473173

The new flooring is visible in some of those pictures.


ConcourseZ wrote:
Many diversions to PIT from the west today due to storms in the DC area.

I hope someone got some pics. 3 Alaska/Virgin America and lots of United.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:48 pm

Nice pics! Where does WOW get their flight crews (deck and cabin)?

I shot some vid of the diversions. Missed the Virgin Atlantic but saw it on final.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:45 pm

I got several of the Virgin flight. Some up close and personal. Was fortunate enough to handle that one. Brand new 321NEO.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:22 am

flyPIT wrote:
ConcourseZ wrote:
Many diversions to PIT from the west today due to storms in the DC area.

I hope someone got some pics. 3 Alaska/Virgin America and lots of United.


If only they would show up on good weather days as well.

Also, for some reason today I was thinking about back just before 9/11 and the AA/TW merger when TW was rumordly interested in opening a focus city at PIT. There was much anticipation that an announcement was imminent, but it ultimately came to nothing. I wonder if there was ever any truth to those rumors.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:36 am

GSP psgr wrote:
Also, for some reason today I was thinking about back just before 9/11 and the AA/TW merger when TW was rumordly interested in opening a focus city at PIT. There was much anticipation that an announcement was imminent, but it ultimately came to nothing. I wonder if there was ever any truth to those rumors.


TW? That's a new one to me. Are you thinking about AirTran? Because they did in fact plan a focus city at PIT but abandoned those plans after poor support of their PIT-MDW/LGA flights.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:11 am

flyPIT wrote:
GSP psgr wrote:
Also, for some reason today I was thinking about back just before 9/11 and the AA/TW merger when TW was rumordly interested in opening a focus city at PIT. There was much anticipation that an announcement was imminent, but it ultimately came to nothing. I wonder if there was ever any truth to those rumors.


TW? That's a new one to me. Are you thinking about AirTran? Because they did in fact plan a focus city at PIT but abandoned those plans after poor support of their PIT-MDW/LGA flights.


In the late 70s/early 80s, TW had sort of a mini-hub here. AL's fast growth may have helped lead to that folding.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:21 am

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In the late 70s/early 80s, TW had sort of a mini-hub here. AL's fast growth may have helped lead to that folding.


Yes; to be clear GSP psgr is talking about 2000-2001 time frame.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:39 am

TW always had a large presence at PIT but the only hub rumors I am aware of (and they weren't rumors it was reality at the time) was in the early eighties when they were running L10's on LGW and FRA. I'm not aware of any such considerations in the 2000-2001 time frame.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:59 am

flyPIT wrote:


I could be mistaken, but wasn't that where the old British Airways Club was?
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:02 am

ConcourseZ wrote:
In the late 70s/early 80s, TW had sort of a mini-hub here. AL's fast growth may have helped lead to that folding.


It's my understanding that TWA folded their PIT operation in the 80's as a result of the air traffic controller strike.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:09 am

PITflier wrote:
flyPIT wrote:


I could be mistaken, but wasn't that where the old British Airways Club was?


Yes I believe so.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:29 am

No it's not. BA is still paying for the space for two more years. The new lounge is between C54 and C56, IINM.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:43 am

CaptainMidnight wrote:
- I recently took a 10 day trip with my family of 6 and parked in the Extended Lot to save money. We parked near the end of the people movers. As you can imagine we had tons of stuff especially with two of the four kids requiring car seats. I needed to rent a cart but had to go nearly halfway through the people mover section to get one and then take it back to our car to load up. Just a big waste of time. Why isn't there one right at the beginning/end of the people mover section? Was there ever one?

- Does anyone know why there wasn't at least one parking garage built for the Extended Lot? Was it ever considered? Would take up less space and can have cart rentals stationed by the parking garage elevators. Was it because of height restrictions?


It could also be that at the time, PIT was a mostly hub airport with not much attention to O&D. If I remember the old airport, I don't think there was alot of parking so maybe they were still in that mindset. Just a guess.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:48 am

Anyone know where the QR cargo flight has been parking? I haven't been out overnight recently.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:56 am

Looking forward to the new lounge as I am a Priority Pass member. Now I just have to get to the airport early enough to enjoy it..
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:53 am

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Anyone know where the QR cargo flight has been parking? I haven't been out overnight recently.

To my knowledge, that flight was removed from the summer schedule, even though they are hiring locally. Don't know when it will actually start,
 
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Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:17 pm

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pit1000 wrote:
Anyone know where the QR cargo flight has been parking? I haven't been out overnight recently.

To my knowledge, that flight was removed from the summer schedule, even though they are hiring locally. Don't know when it will actually start,


I think it did already. I saw it on FR24 a couple of times.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:43 pm

The link goes to their cargo schedules. The PIT flight is not listed. If the aircraft has been at PIT, possibly for familiarization or unscheduled flights?
http://www.qrcargo.com/schedules
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:54 am

IIRC the initial long term leases associated with the midfield terminal were for 20 years. So BA was still paying many years after they left in 1999... but not for this long. I vividly remember that wood door frame as the entrance to the BA lounge.


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CaptainMidnight wrote:
- I recently took a 10 day trip with my family of 6 and parked in the Extended Lot to save money. We parked near the end of the people movers. As you can imagine we had tons of stuff especially with two of the four kids requiring car seats. I needed to rent a cart but had to go nearly halfway through the people mover section to get one and then take it back to our car to load up. Just a big waste of time. Why isn't there one right at the beginning/end of the people mover section? Was there ever one?

- Does anyone know why there wasn't at least one parking garage built for the Extended Lot? Was it ever considered? Would take up less space and can have cart rentals stationed by the parking garage elevators. Was it because of height restrictions?


It could also be that at the time, PIT was a mostly hub airport with not much attention to O&D. If I remember the old airport, I don't think there was alot of parking so maybe they were still in that mindset. Just a guess.


Here is the scoop on the parking lot situation at the old terminal as to why there was no garage and small lots available:
http://digitalcollections.library.cmu.edu/awweb/awarchive?type=file&item=422799
Page 9

The most recent PIT land use plan had up to 5 garages planned on the existing lot, in addition to office buildings lining the moving walkway which looks to be extended all the way to the WTC site.
http://repository.cmu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1085&context=architecture
Page 25 and 41

That was a few years ago and looks like they were going for an airport city concept. I'm not sure if that is still the agenda. Ms. Cassotis has said several times that the new master plan will address increasing covered parking. What I will imaging will happen is the current garage (which has structural deficiencies) will be demolished and replaced by a much larger structure.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:58 pm

pit1000 wrote:
ConcourseZ wrote:
pit1000 wrote:
Anyone know where the QR cargo flight has been parking? I haven't been out overnight recently.

To my knowledge, that flight was removed from the summer schedule, even though they are hiring locally. Don't know when it will actually start,


I think it did already. I saw it on FR24 a couple of times.


I checked FR24 and QR8144 came from ATL this morning, landing at 02:40 (Boeing 777) and departed for LUX at 04:40. But, it's not listed on their schedule. Strange.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:50 pm

ConcourseZ wrote:
I checked FR24 and QR8144 came from ATL this morning, landing at 02:40 (Boeing 777) and departed for LUX at 04:40. But, it's not listed on their schedule. Strange.


It was "scheduled" to operate. If you look at the status section every flight associated with PIT says "scheduled' or "unknown". The flights that actually operated will say "landed" (ATL-LUX-DOH).
https://www.flightradar24.com/flight/qr8144

Flightaware shows nothing wrt PIT:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR8144/history

What I think is happening is QR planned these flights at one time and even filed canned flight plans that automatically pop up in the ATC system on a set schedule. Hopefully one day soon they actually operate these!
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Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:39 am

flyPIT wrote:
ConcourseZ wrote:
I checked FR24 and QR8144 came from ATL this morning, landing at 02:40 (Boeing 777) and departed for LUX at 04:40. But, it's not listed on their schedule. Strange.


It was "scheduled" to operate. If you look at the status section every flight associated with PIT says "scheduled' or "unknown". The flights that actually operated will say "landed" (ATL-LUX-DOH).
https://www.flightradar24.com/flight/qr8144

Flightaware shows nothing wrt PIT:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR8144/history

What I think is happening is QR planned these flights at one time and even filed canned flight plans that automatically pop up in the ATC system on a set schedule. Hopefully one day soon they actually operate these!


I agree.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:02 am

Couple questions...

1) Do you guys have any knowledge of Allegiant's performance at PIT? What are their pax loads on the G4 routes and are they improving, stagnant, or doing worse?

2) How do you think Allegiant will respond with Spirit coming into PIT? Situations are certainly different, but Allegiant seemed to respond to Spirit heading to CAK by heading to CLE. Do you think PIT can keep those two competitors happy?

Thanks guys. Love seeing things happen at PIT. It is still my favorite large airport to fly out of. Lots of memories of the AirMall growing up.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:33 am

YNGguins wrote:
Couple questions...

1) Do you guys have any knowledge of Allegiant's performance at PIT? What are their pax loads on the G4 routes and are they improving, stagnant, or doing worse?

2) How do you think Allegiant will respond with Spirit coming into PIT? Situations are certainly different, but Allegiant seemed to respond to Spirit heading to CAK by heading to CLE. Do you think PIT can keep those two competitors happy?

Thanks guys. Love seeing things happen at PIT. It is still my favorite large airport to fly out of. Lots of memories of the AirMall growing up.


Here is the data since G4 first came to PIT:

'15 - 2: 81% (Allegiant begins service)
'15 - 3: 84%
'15 - 4: 70%
'15 - 5: 67%
'15 - 6: 83%
'15 - 7: 86%
'15 - 8: 74%
'15 - 9: 60%
'15 - 10: 76%
'15 - 11: 74%
'15 - 12: 75%
'16 - 1: 70%
'16 - 2: 87%
'16 - 3: 89%
'16 - 4: 81%
'16 - 5: 84%
'16 - 6: 89%
'16 - 7: 92%
'16 - 8: 85%
'16 - 9: 85%
'16 - 10: 86%
'16 - 11: 84%
'16 - 12: 79%
'17 - 1: 78%
'17 - 2: 82%
'17 - 3: 87%

Overall it looks like load factors are staying pretty constant. Since NK has announced coming to PIT, G4 has not really added anything since. My guess is that they are doing well enough and do not want to get into pricing wars with NK. A good comparison is CVG, which NK does not serve, and G4 is adding flights like crazy. I think G4 originally wanted to emulate its CVG operation at PIT, which is why they added an aircraft/crew base, but NK's expansions probably put this plan on hold. I think both carriers will find a service level where they both can serve PIT profitably, but I think the large G4 expansions at PIT may be over. That might also be why PIT was left out of the large expansion this past week.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:26 am

ConcourseZ wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
ConcourseZ wrote:
I checked FR24 and QR8144 came from ATL this morning, landing at 02:40 (Boeing 777) and departed for LUX at 04:40. But, it's not listed on their schedule. Strange.


It was "scheduled" to operate. If you look at the status section every flight associated with PIT says "scheduled' or "unknown". The flights that actually operated will say "landed" (ATL-LUX-DOH).
https://www.flightradar24.com/flight/qr8144

Flightaware shows nothing wrt PIT:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR8144/history

What I think is happening is QR planned these flights at one time and even filed canned flight plans that automatically pop up in the ATC system on a set schedule. Hopefully one day soon they actually operate these!


I agree.


Yeah I just found that too on FR 24. Pretty weird. Thanks.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:47 am

Just flew PIT-KEF on WW, no complaints very smooth operation and flight. Very impressed with the load on a wednesday had to be 90%.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:30 am

Condor's second flight on Monday has stopped selling seats in all classes (Friday's inaugural was sold out about a month ago). The following Friday (6/30) business class is sold out and the following Monday's (7/03) business class has only two seats left.

I think this will be a solid route for them.

Speaking of Germany, Siemens Corp will be adding 200 local employees at a new facility:
http://triblive.com/local/westmoreland/12431554-74/siemens-to-open-in-westmorelands-former-sony-plant
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:16 pm

cvgComair wrote:
Here is the data since G4 first came to PIT:

'15 - 2: 81% (Allegiant begins service)
'15 - 3: 84%
'15 - 4: 70%
'15 - 5: 67%
'15 - 6: 83%
'15 - 7: 86%
'15 - 8: 74%
'15 - 9: 60%
'15 - 10: 76%
'15 - 11: 74%
'15 - 12: 75%
'16 - 1: 70%
'16 - 2: 87%
'16 - 3: 89%
'16 - 4: 81%
'16 - 5: 84%
'16 - 6: 89%
'16 - 7: 92%
'16 - 8: 85%
'16 - 9: 85%
'16 - 10: 86%
'16 - 11: 84%
'16 - 12: 79%
'17 - 1: 78%
'17 - 2: 82%
'17 - 3: 87%

Overall it looks like load factors are staying pretty constant.


Thank you for compiling these stats, but I will disagree with you about the loads being pretty constant. Compare the monthly yoy loads. They have increased by factors of 4%-20%. That's not insignificant especially considering they increased the number of flights as time went on.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:45 pm

Sounds like Lufthansa is following Condor to San Diego starting next year. Maybe that could play out here as well?
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