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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:39 pm

2x weekly. Of note, this will be the first ever scheduled service to VPS from PIT.

Anyone know what the deal is with Air Wisconsin adding a daily PIT-RDU flight for a four week period starting early April? This will bring PIT-RDU back up to 3x daily but oddly enough as of now the extra flight will end in early May just as the busy summer season arrives.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:52 am

GSP psgr wrote:
So with the new rear rolling around, shall we make predictions?

I'll venture four:

1) SEA and AS finally show up, in some form.
2) OneJet starts PIT-MEM
3) Delta adds back PIT-SLC, with a daily 319.
4) AA comes back (at least summer seasonally) on PIT-LAX

As an aside, am I wrong to think of Condor as crypto-Lufthansa?


1. Yes!
2. Yes, but can't get excited about it.
3. Yes, please!
4. No
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:54 am

Some new promotional pages from the ACAA advertising Europe service:
http://www.flypittsburgh.com/newsroom/opportunity-trade-advertising/europe

CDG:
http://www.flypittsburgh.com/fly-to-europe/fly-nonstop-to-paris
KEF:
http://www.flypittsburgh.com/fly-to-europe/fly-nonstop-to-reykjavik
FRA:
http://www.flypittsburgh.com/fly-to-europe/fly-nonstop-to-frankfurt

Unfortunately, the only way I was able to access those was to type "Europe" in the search window. That new website sure is a mess.


Condor finally added a Pittsburgh page to their European website (geared to European point of sales). Not sure if my email to Condor's VP of N. America had something to do with it. Nice page though, and great pics of the city!
https://www.condor.com/eu/flights/usa/pittsburgh.jsp


The next State of the Airport address will be Feb 22:
http://www.flypittsburgh.com/newsroom/state-of-the-airport
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:46 pm

Amazon is opening a corporate office in the South Side of Pittsburgh. Some more fuel for a non-stop flight to SEA?

http://triblive.com/local/allegheny/117 ... rgh-office
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:48 am

AaronPGH wrote:
Amazon is opening a corporate office in the South Side of Pittsburgh. Some more fuel for a non-stop flight to SEA?

http://triblive.com/local/allegheny/117 ... rgh-office


Considering how much larger Google's and Uber's Pittsburgh offices are compared to this and yet PIT doesn't even have year round service to the Bay Area I don't see this as impacting demand to SEA at all. Having said that it is still a great development for the city and another feather in the cap of the area's tech scene. Hopefully Amazon's Pittsburgh office will grow like some of the others have and its interesting how secretive Amazon is being about the purpose and future of this office.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:52 pm

flyPIT wrote:
AaronPGH wrote:
Amazon is opening a corporate office in the South Side of Pittsburgh. Some more fuel for a non-stop flight to SEA?

http://triblive.com/local/allegheny/117 ... rgh-office


Considering how much larger Google's and Uber's Pittsburgh offices are compared to this and yet PIT doesn't even have year round service to the Bay Area I don't see this as impacting demand to SEA at all. Having said that it is still a great development for the city and another feather in the cap of the area's tech scene. Hopefully Amazon's Pittsburgh office will grow like some of the others have and its interesting how secretive Amazon is being about the purpose and future of this office.

I don't think it will be long before we hear of a big announcement. I also don't think it will be DL or flying to SEA or the Bay area. My money is going to be on WN announcing service to the following cities from now (start in fall of 2017) till 2018: OAK, SEA, SAN, MCI, MKE, AUS, MSY (Daily), EWR, and BDL. There is also a chance of Saturday only to AUA or CUN.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:12 am

2016 passenger totals came in at over 8.3 million.
http://www.flypittsburgh.com/newsroom/news-releases/2016-busiest-year-in-nearly-a-decade-at-pit;-incre

Nov up 2.5%
Dec up 3.4%
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:37 am

When do you think we can crack the 10 mil mark again? A ways off or attainable in the near future? I'm assuming it would require that rumored WN buildup to pull off?
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:37 am

It's hard to imagine any sort of WN buildup given their fleet situation - the general expectation is that there will be more cuts than adds in the fall as the classics are retired and the MAXs are introduced. EWR and BDL are particularly unlikely given the shift away from short haul flying. That being said, I think (hope) PIT-MSY has a shot as there is precedent for routes starting 1 weekly and doing daily. If NK can make daily MSY-CLE work, WN should be able to make MSY-PIT work.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:50 pm

No one mentioned Portland as new destination on DL, started today:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ASQ5 ... /KPWM/KPIT
Just kiddin', the CRJ700 was coming to LGA and on to PIT, due to weather they skipped the LGA stop, and will get to LGA as 5311 eventually today. I was going to be on it, but decided to stay one more day and wait out the mess.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Jan 24, 2017 2:31 am

Just because spirit is starting Msy-cle doesn't mean it's going to work. I for one am very skeptical. Cleveland is littered with spirit and frontier routes that didn't work, even though both carriers have decent # of flights from cle.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Jan 24, 2017 2:42 am

ncflyer wrote:
Just because spirit is starting Msy-cle doesn't mean it's going to work. I for one am very skeptical. Cleveland is littered with spirit and frontier routes that didn't work, even though both carriers have decent # of flights from cle.


F9 definitely cuts and adds routes all the time. I see NK as much more steady-handed and not the type to start a route they don't believe will work. Now some of their CLE routes are seasonal, but MSY was announced as year-round. NK has never cut a route since it opened MSY in 2013 (excepting a brief suspension of MSY-DFW) and will be at twelve departures this summer.

Speaking of big announcements, what do you think the odds are that NK will move to PIT in the near future? I could see the operation growing significantly there. LBE doesn't seem to be that attractive for most people.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Jan 24, 2017 3:17 pm

msycajun wrote:
Speaking of big announcements, what do you think the odds are that NK will move to PIT in the near future? I could see the operation growing significantly there. LBE doesn't seem to be that attractive for most people.

It is only a matter of time.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:37 am


"Pittsburgh International Airport named Airport of the Year by Air Transport World magazine
January 24, 2017


PITTSBURGH, PA--(Marketwired - January 24, 2017) - Air Transport World magazine on Tuesday announced Pittsburgh International Airport as its 2017 Airport of the Year, joining an impressive list of past winners around the world as the first U.S. airport to win.

Pittsburgh joins the ranks of Hong Kong International, London Heathrow and Singapore Changi, respectively, since the airport category was added four years ago. ATW, part of the Aviation Week Network, has awarded the aviation industry's best-in-class for 43 years and is recognized in the industry as a key source industry professionals rely on for analysis, marketing and intelligence.
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http://www.intelligent-aerospace.com/press-releases/2017/01/24/pittsburgh-international-airport-named-airport-of-the-year-by-air-transport-world-magazine.html



msycajun wrote:
Speaking of big announcements, what do you think the odds are that NK will move to PIT in the near future? I could see the operation growing significantly there. LBE doesn't seem to be that attractive for most people.

LBE is attractive to the people who use it. In fact if it were not for the free parking some of those people wouldn't fly at all. So if Spirit moves to PIT they would lose some of those folks. Having said that LBE has maxed out its potential and I agree the long term growth prospects would be greater at PIT. Its pretty stupid of LBE to be going ahead with their terminal expansion at this point.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Mon Feb 06, 2017 4:36 pm

I'm guessing this is Calgary Flames charter coming in. It is scheduled for departure at 1:30P today:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ACA7 ... /KEWR/KPIT
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:15 pm

Nice write up in Airport Improvement magazine:
http://www.airportimprovement.com/article/pittsburgh-intl-almost-doubles-point-point-service



Good publicity from USA Today about Pittsburgh's European flight line up:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2017/01/27/pittsburghs-high-profile-paris-flights-return-9th-year/96972700/

Speaking of which, for those that missed it in the OAG thread WOW Air has added a 5th weekly flight to KEF based on strong advanced bookings through the first week of October. Great news and I wonder how Condor is doing.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:17 pm

I dont know if it has been posted or not, but Qatar is starting a cargo route between PIT-Doha with a stop in Luxenborg. Either 1 or 2x weekly. I saw the route goes ATL-PIT-Luxenborg-Doha.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:19 pm

krod031 wrote:
I dont know if it has been posted or not, but Qatar is starting a cargo route between PIT-Doha with a stop in Luxenborg. Either 1 or 2x weekly. I saw the route goes ATL-PIT-Luxenborg-Doha.


Well that's awesome! Where did you see this posted?
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Feb 07, 2017 1:33 pm

krod031 wrote:
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/271137/qatar-airways-cargo-plans-pittsburgh-launch-from-late-march-2017/


I was hearing chatter about this...but held off from posting. Looks like the Pit Business Times is now confirming. http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/n ... j=77310961
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Feb 07, 2017 2:58 pm

pitbosflyer wrote:
I was hearing chatter about this...but held off from posting. Looks like the Pit Business Times is now confirming. http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/n ... j=77310961


Its interesting the Pittsburgh Business Times cited the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, but if you read the P-G article its obvious he got his info from this thread (to also include WOW Air adding a frequency).
http://www.post-gazette.com/business/development/2017/02/07/Qatar-Airways-may-set-up-cargo-flight-to-Pittsburgh-Wow-Air-Iceland-adds/stories/201702070070

This is another huge win for PIT. We know PIT has been having high level talks with Qatar about a PIT-DOH flight. Such a flight would be marginal IMHO but having solid cargo revenue in the belly might make it worthwhile. So having an existing cargo flight to/from ATL stop in PIT (as opposed to LCK) is probably testing the waters. If the cargo revenue is there then it makes passenger flights one step closer.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:59 pm

Does anyone know who will handle the Condor and WOW Air Flights?
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:50 am

Don't know if anyone read this, but there was a drug bust at PIT. Good job customs! http://triblive.com/local/allegheny/119 ... rgh-border
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Mon Feb 13, 2017 1:49 am

I believe tomorrow (2/13) is the last day for AA's PIT-LAX flight. Out of curiosity I did one last fare and load comparison (one way) with PIT's peer cities that also have nonstop AA service.

A319 routes:
PIT: First - $1,591, 1 seat open. Coach - $493, 14 seats open (soon to have only one carrier on route)
IND: First - $634, 5 seats open. Coach - $434, 56 seats open (3 carriers on route)
CMH: First - $1,434, 1 seat open. Coach - $570, also 56 seats open (2 carriers on route)

B738 route:
RDU: First - $684, 2 seats open. Coach - $763 (yes, oddly enough coach is priced higher than First??), 74 seats open (2 carriers on route)

Still amazed AA is axing the PIT flight.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:25 pm

I bet if DL ever adds PIT-LAX we will see AA jump back on board.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:51 pm

I doubt it.
- UA was recently (relatively speaking) the only one offering PIT-LAX; AA had no interest until UA announced they were cutting the route.
- Now with WN on the route, AA once again shows they are not interested in fighting a competitor here.

What makes DL different than UA or WN wrt AA wanting to put up a fight at LAX for PIT passengers? What I'd like to know is why does AA view Pittsburgh so much more negatively than the peer cities I've compared to a few times now over the past couple months regarding LAX service. Because comparatively speaking its not a deficiency in fares and loads.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:09 pm

Is there any chance that UA brings it back? I ask this for purely selfish reasons as a UA FF.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:00 pm

I doubt UA will bring LAX back. It will stay with just WN unless DL decides to give it a go (doubtful also). The best bet in the long run might be AS.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:19 pm

I think DL offers the best hope as far as a new airline; they also serve LAX from CHM and IND. F9 doesn't seem interested. OTOH perhaps our best hope for improved LAX service would be 2x daily on WN then call it a day.

I can't believe there is no longer nonstop business class between Pittsburgh - a city that punches well above its weight in terms of corporate headquarters and banking/financial services - and the nation's second largest market.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:36 am

Looks like the Qatar Cargo route might not be happening.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... ce-in-s17/
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:26 am

"Casey makes pitch for more customs officers at Pittsburgh International Airport"
http://triblive.com/local/allegheny/11956463-74/airport-customs-officers
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:53 pm

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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Feb 21, 2017 12:38 am

flyPIT wrote:


Wonder which county politician this "consultant" will be related to?
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:20 pm

Spirit in PIT with 7 cities, is LBE folding?
Pittsburgh to/from Service Start Date Frequency
Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) May 25, 2017 Once daily
Myrtle Beach (MYR) May 25, 2017 Once daily (seasonal)
Fort Lauderdale (FLL) June 15, 2017 3 days/week
Orlando (MCO) June 22, 2017 Once daily
Las Vegas (LAS) June 22, 2017 Once daily
Houston (IAH) July 13, 2017 Once daily
Los Angeles (LAX) July 13, 2017 Once daily
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:53 pm

I didn't see that coming, especially 7 cities right from the start. Never would have thought they would fill the void to LAX either. All 7 cities should do well.

It will be interesting to see what happens at LBE; I hope they continue some sort of service there.

http://www.post-gazette.com/business/development/2017/02/21/Spirit/stories/201702210143


Where is Michael Boyd?
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:53 pm

Interesting those are markets served by WN at PIT (well, except for IAH but they serve HOU. And MYR) so I wonder how WN will respond?
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:15 pm

Its also interesting that two of those markets NK tried and failed from at LBE while 3 others are being offered concurrently from LBE (for now).
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:14 am

flyPIT wrote:
I didn't see that coming, especially 7 cities right from the start. Never would have thought they would fill the void to LAX either. All 7 cities should do well.

It will be interesting to see what happens at LBE; I hope they continue some sort of service there.

http://www.post-gazette.com/business/development/2017/02/21/Spirit/stories/201702210143


Where is Michael Boyd?


Slightly surprised that neither F9 or NK has tried to take a whack at PIT-PHL, which would be interesting.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:29 am

GSP psgr wrote:
Slightly surprised that neither F9 or NK has tried to take a whack at PIT-PHL, which would be interesting.


Me too, that route needs some serious competition. I'm hoping WN will take another stab at it.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Wed Feb 22, 2017 4:05 am

flyPIT wrote:
Where is Michael Boyd?

Is he still stuck on 50 seat flying is going to die? 10 years later US/AA is still almost all CRJ200/EMB145 to NYC markets.

I don't get 3x FLL, why not daily? They have it out of LBE and they are 4th (I think) out of PIT to offer. Unless this is there just to cycle the frames through MX base. I'm guessing 2 or 3 planes will be RON at PIT, didn't see schedule update yet to see the times. Does anyone know which gates and who will handle them

I don't think PHL will be served by anyone else but AA. The market is there, however it is heavy sided with non-revs that are PHL based.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Wed Feb 22, 2017 4:46 am

kubus wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
Where is Michael Boyd?

Is he still stuck on 50 seat flying is going to die? 10 years later US/AA is still almost all CRJ200/EMB145 to NYC markets.
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I dunno. For anyone that did not get my Michael Boyd reference it is referring to a comment he made 2-3 years ago about additional service at PIT:

"Somebody really needs to tell the county executive that you have virtually all the air service you're going to get."

Since then the number of nonstop destinations served from PIT increased about 80% and the number of airlines increased by about 8 including 2 from Europe.


As far as why only 3x weekly to FLL its probably because PIT-FLL already has WN and B6, plus AA to MIA which is going up to 4x daily, plus existing service on NK from LBE. Speaking of LBE, Spirit spokesman states the PIT service will not affect things at LBE, and LBE-FLL will actually be increased to daily:
http://triblive.com/news/adminpage/11975073-74/story
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Wed Feb 22, 2017 5:34 am

So will they go to the open gates on D to help get more activity there or the gates on A to bridge the gap between UA and AC?
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:56 pm

flyPIT wrote:
GSP psgr wrote:
Slightly surprised that neither F9 or NK has tried to take a whack at PIT-PHL, which would be interesting.


Me too, that route needs some serious competition. I'm hoping WN will take another stab at it.


I've always thought that WN entering PIT-PHL or PIT-EWR would be a sign that WN's was starting to get serious about the PIT market. So far, they've mostly just added markets that are focus cities for them (BNA, LAX, STL) or are Florida (PBI). MSY was something of an interesting departure from their norms in that regard.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:11 pm

PIT-PHL has a unique problem for any carrier that has non-rev agreements with AA. When the PIT hub was closed, many, many employees from PIT that had to transfer to PHL did not make the physical move from PIT to PHL but chose to commute instead. Its a non-rev nightmare and this was a very substantial factor in WN dropping out of the market. G4/NK/F9 might be able to make something work into TTN but any service between PIT-PHL will get buried with non-revs thus killing yield.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:48 am

For those that say the Qatar Airlines flight is dead, there was a job posted by Qatar Airlines today for Pittsburgh....... https://www.indeed.com/rc/clk?jk=3ed269 ... 4854218389
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:30 am

"From Pittsburgh, flying to Europe may be easier than to the West Coast"
http://www.post-gazette.com/business/development/2017/02/21/From-Pittsburgh-flying-to-Europe-may-be-easier-than-to-the-West-Coast-flight-PIT-International-Airport-Iceland-Frankfurt/stories/201702210066
-This article is a couple days old and before NK announced LAX but the greater point remains about lack of nonstop access to the west coast.


GSP psgr wrote:
I've always thought that WN entering PIT-PHL or PIT-EWR would be a sign that WN's was starting to get serious about the PIT market. So far, they've mostly just added markets that are focus cities for them (BNA, LAX, STL) or are Florida (PBI). MSY was something of an interesting departure from their norms in that regard.

I agree as well. WN can say they want to be serious about PIT until they are canyon blue in the face, but it will not be so until they launch BOS/LGA/EWR/PHL.
MSY was a low risk add considering it is only 1x weekly and seasonal.


Flaps wrote:
PIT-PHL has a unique problem for any carrier that has non-rev agreements with AA. When the PIT hub was closed, many, many employees from PIT that had to transfer to PHL did not make the physical move from PIT to PHL but chose to commute instead. Its a non-rev nightmare and this was a very substantial factor in WN dropping out of the market. G4/NK/F9 might be able to make something work into TTN but any service between PIT-PHL will get buried with non-revs thus killing yield.

Non-revs have nothing to do with yields. They are standbys. If the seats are full with regular passengers, non-revs are left behind. When WN dropped PIT-PHL the CEO said flights were only 50% full. However they ran up to 7 flights a day during the route's peak. 2-3 should work fine and why they did not give that a shot is beyond me.


Cush wrote:
For those that say the Qatar Airlines flight is dead, there was a job posted by Qatar Airlines today for Pittsburgh....... https://www.indeed.com/rc/clk?jk=3ed269 ... 4854218389

Great find. It was odd they pulled the schedule so quick. Probably just have some more details to work out and if this does come to fruition it will be very exciting for the airport.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:50 am

Flaps wrote:
PIT-PHL has a unique problem for any carrier that has non-rev agreements with AA. When the PIT hub was closed, many, many employees from PIT that had to transfer to PHL did not make the physical move from PIT to PHL but chose to commute instead. Its a non-rev nightmare and this was a very substantial factor in WN dropping out of the market. G4/NK/F9 might be able to make something work into TTN but any service between PIT-PHL will get buried with non-revs thus killing yield.

Non-revs have nothing to do with yields. They are standbys. If the seats are full with regular passengers, non-revs are left behind. When WN dropped PIT-PHL the CEO said flights were only 50% full. However they ran up to 7 flights a day during the route's peak. 2-3 should work fine and why they did not give that a shot is beyond me.

Cabin crew and flight deck crew do not necessarily fall into that category. Those are the folks that create the problem. Unless of course WN was lying when they made those statements and continue to do so today.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:26 pm

flyPIT wrote:
I agree as well. WN can say they want to be serious about PIT until they are canyon blue in the face, but it will not be so until they launch BOS/LGA/EWR/PHL. MSY was a low risk add considering it is only 1x weekly and seasonal.

Non-revs have nothing to do with yields. They are standbys. If the seats are full with regular passengers, non-revs are left behind. When WN dropped PIT-PHL the CEO said flights were only 50% full. However they ran up to 7 flights a day during the route's peak. 2-3 should work fine and why they did not give that a shot is beyond me.


I always got the impression that the complete axing of PIT-PHL was a sort of throwing the baby out with the bathwater in PHL; at the same time they ended a bunch of other PHL routes (JAX, MHT, PVD, and maybe something else IIRC). I think something like 2-3x could work; so long as they're timed well; what is really needed in such a market is a 0700-ish departure each way with a 1930-ish return each way for business travelers to do day trips.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:36 pm

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Cabin crew and flight deck crew do not necessarily fall into that category. Those are the folks that create the problem. Unless of course WN was lying when they made those statements and continue to do so today.


What problem? They create no problem at all. Cabin and Flight Crew are commuters who choose to live outside their base. They are non-revs and are therefore on the standby list - not diluting from yields at all. If anything they can jumpseat even if sitting in the back on a standby basis.

Can you cite a source where WN stated non-revs are the reason they dropped PIT-PHL and continue to say so today?
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:26 pm

PIT loses 4 RTs in the latest schedule update, all to Florida markets; PIT-RSW is dropped in August (seasonally?) and PIT-MCO/FLL/TPA all see 1 less RT.
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