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SW To PIT After US?

Sat Feb 09, 2002 7:33 am

With all the talk of US Airwyas possibly breaking up and its assets getting split between the other major carriers, do people think this will attract SW to go into the PIT market known for high fares?

I could see SW beomoming a rather decent sized SW opperation if nobody claims it after US folds. UA wouldnt want it, NW wouldnt, DL wouldnt, and CO wouldnt.

Something like this could be possible.

SW

PIT-

BWI, BNA, MCO, FLL, PBI, TPA, JAX, RDU, BDL, PVD, MHT, MDW, ORF, MCI, STL, PHX, and possibly LAS?

What do you guys think. I think it could be possibly the size of a BNA SW city, or comparitive to STL.


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RE: SW To PIT After US?

Sat Feb 09, 2002 7:50 am

Here's a thought - if Cleveland keeps a hard line on landing fees and concourse changes, then SWA might pack up the show and move 130 miles down the road to PIT. Hey, stranger things have happened.
 
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RE: SW To PIT After US?

Sat Feb 09, 2002 8:10 am

AA might be interested in PIT. It would give them a NE hub, rather than the JFK/BOS focus cities.
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RE: SW To PIT After US?

Sat Feb 09, 2002 8:17 am

With the staff we have at Cleveland Hopkins I can see CO pulling out of Cleveland and move to Pittsburgh.  Smile
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RE: SW To PIT After US?

Sat Feb 09, 2002 8:23 am

It is a huge possiblity. I am shocked they have not moved in already. Although a hub for US, the airport itself isn't exactly prone to delays like the others. US has a very defined bank presence, meaning there are times of day where no one is taking off or landing at PIT. SW could easily schedule its own bank in between these down times.

Don't rule out UAL. They would love to have PIT as would AA.
 
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RE: SW To PIT After US?

Sat Feb 09, 2002 8:37 am

That Pitt terminal is a nice new terminal, some airline would be glad to move there if USAirways broke up.
 
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RE: SW To PIT After US?

Sat Feb 09, 2002 9:20 am

It's certainly possible that Southwest (or AirTran) would start service at PIT in the event that US Airways were to fly off into aviation history; after all, they went into MDW almost overnight when Midway I failed and took advantage of AA closing its hub at BNA. I think it would take a few years to reach its potential (after all, there are limits to how fast you can grow), but given the stimulative effect of Southwest's low fares, I could certainly see them operating 80-100 flights at PIT after several years. I'd add IND, MSY, AUS, SAT, LAX, ONT, OAK, and SEA to the possibilities. (HOU is a longshot since CO operates PIT-IAH).

I'm not sure UAL wants PIT when they already have IAD; I'm not sure PIT works well with an AA hub at JFK, either.
 
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RE: SW To PIT After US?

Sat Feb 09, 2002 11:15 am

What about Vanguard, they have a couple flights @ PIT? Could they have a second hub?
 
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RE: SW To PIT After US?

Sat Feb 09, 2002 11:23 am

Vanguard is barely an airline. One "hub" is plenty.
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RE: SW To PIT After US?

Sat Feb 09, 2002 11:26 am

N766UA - I agree with you now, Im just trying to put my thinking Cap on though so it was am idea.

I think everyone else's opinions are pretty good. I think PIT could use like a SW or a JetBlue as a hub. Like SW uses Baltimore. Thanks
 
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RE: SW To PIT After US?

Sat Feb 09, 2002 11:39 am

Hehe.. I gotcha.
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RE: SW To PIT After US?

Sat Feb 09, 2002 11:43 am

If Southwest starts flying into PIT, the how about a PIT-ISP route? US Airways used to fly this route before they downgraded from jet service to pros at ISP.
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RE: SW To PIT After US?

Sat Feb 09, 2002 12:04 pm

CO would be stupid to move to PIT. They would be giving up a much larger O&D aiport and would be moving to a much smaller populated metro area. CO has also put alot of money into CLE especially with the new concourse D. Cleveland has messed up alot when it comes to the airport and CO, but this new mayor has a better understanding of the importance of CO and the airport. I don't expect CO to move there. I predict SW does the same thing in PIT that they did at BNA when AA moved out. Remember though, no one knows if US is going to go under in the future.
 
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RE: SW To PIT After US?

Sat Feb 09, 2002 5:30 pm

ISP would be a good addition from PIT on SW



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RE: SW To PIT After US?

Sun Feb 10, 2002 5:26 am

Thomas, it's pretty certain that US Airways is going under. Their CSM's are stratospheric, even compared to the other 5 Cartel carriers, and the low-fares are eating their lunch. Plus their unions are in no mood to make work-rule or cost concessions. And management wasted a year of potential repositioning by chasing after ultimately-unwilling sugar daddy UA.

After US goes under, I'd bet WN will be there before they get the last US plane shipped off to Marana. PIT people are so used to sky-high fares on US (heck, they couldn't even bring themselves to flee to AirTran's excellent service and low fares to PHL and LGA), that the trauma of losing US will shake them out of their hypnosis. WN will clean up in PIT. No other Cartel carrier is going to start a hub there because PIT doesn't fit their plans and doesn't offer enough international traffic potential (except possibly CO, see below).

I'd look also for PIT-BUF and PIT-ALB routes; US now has the only nonstops to Upstate NY. Also maybe AirTran would introduce ROC-PIT. Speaking of which, look too for AirTran to re-establish a focus city there once US is gone. There are lots of cities out there that WN doesn't serve--like PHL and LGA. This time maybe Pittsburgh business people, and their corporate travel departments, will be receptive to lower-fare service on these routes.

I still wouldn't rule out CO moving from CLE. PIT is a vastly superior airport facility, and CLE with its allegedly larger O & D base can only support one 752 to LGW. PIT has been supporting 762's, and before Sept. 11, A330, on the route. Plus 762's to CDG and FRA.

In which case, WN would still move in, but I don't think they, AirTran, or anyone else, would grow nearly as rapidly or extensively.

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RE: SW To PIT After US?

Sun Feb 10, 2002 5:53 am

US has suspended PIT-LGW (as well as formerly suspended CDG). Only FRA remains. LGW is coming back this late spring, however.
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RE: SW To PIT After US?

Sun Feb 10, 2002 6:17 am

but in the news i saw usairways sounded a little hesitant that they might not start by may. they added that it would start back up by may at the earliest. regardless it will probably be back by the end of the summer.
 
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RE: SW To PIT After US?

Sun Feb 10, 2002 7:17 am

Do you really think CO needs a thrid International gateway that bad? EWR has many European flights and IAH isnt far behind. I know the CLE situation is pretty bad with all the problems getting a new runway, but once the runway is put in at least CLE could be a viable third option if needed that bad. I dont see CLE really getting that many international flights anyways, maybe CO could shift all the smaller flights to CLE like Dublin, Shannon, Birmingham ect..... But I still believe CO has put too much into CLE to just back out right now. It is a all jet hub, not many other cities can claim that.


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