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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Sun Aug 27, 2017 3:54 pm

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Actually N105UA was ordered by NW 747-451 but air fleets said not delivered. Looks like UA picked it up new.


N105UA and N106UA were whitetails built for NW but not taken up, and UAL acquired them new. A few differences from the -422s but they were always in a standard UAL configuration.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:19 am

calpsafltskeds wrote:
They are all 319s from China Southern. There were to be some from Spirit but that fell through. 8 so far including one in paint. 5 more expected to arrive in 2017 and 12 more in 2018.
Besides the 11 TZ 753s bought by CO and 4 Copa 73G believe all other airaft in sUA and sCO fleet were purchased/leased new.
Anyone please correct me if wrong
Actually N105UA was ordered by NW 747-451 but air fleets said not delivered. Looks like UA picked it up new.

To the best of my knowledge you are definitely not wrong on any of this info :bigthumbsup:
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:28 am

Is Copa getting rid of any more of the 73G's? These can go directly though the current G new F and slimline mod. Only thing in addition they need is the PDE/internet equipment and Copa's Drop down screens removed
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:05 am

Okcflyer wrote:
Is Copa getting rid of any more of the 73G's? These can go directly though the current G new F and slimline mod. Only thing in addition they need is the PDE/internet equipment and Copa's Drop down screens removed

From what I remember with the previous 73Gs that went to UA, didn't UA pretty much strip down the CP birds as if it were any other previous owner? Despite some of the similarities, I think UA put in new cabins to match the others and all-new paint.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:23 am

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Exactly. Sometimes, the tail skid can't handle the task, and you've still got damaged airplane. But in the photo immediately to the left of that one in the yahoo results, you'll see that the tail skid is, indeed, the first object to hit the ground.


Your search results were apparently different than mine.

But in any case, in over 10 years flying 737NGs, I knew of a few tail strikes, most of which resulted in damage forward of the skid. As I understand it, in a bounce from a hard landing, the natural reaction was to try to re-flare the aircraft. However, at that point, the airspeed is too low and he aft fuselage makes contact with the runway (5+ feet ahead of the skid). The skid is most certainly not a cure-all!


The belly can hit before the tailskid does..........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viFR1qRPKs4

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This is unbelievable...

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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:26 am

intotheair wrote:
Okcflyer wrote:
Is Copa getting rid of any more of the 73G's? These can go directly though the current G new F and slimline mod. Only thing in addition they need is the PDE/internet equipment and Copa's Drop down screens removed

From what I remember with the previous 73Gs that went to UA, didn't UA pretty much strip down the CP birds as if it were any other previous owner? Despite some of the similarities, I think UA put in new cabins to match the others and all-new paint.

The cockpits might be slightly different but from a cabin perspective Ships 0751-54 look like the other 50.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:38 am

calpsafltskeds wrote:
They are all 319s from China Southern. There were to be some from Spirit but that fell through. 8 so far including one in paint. 5 more expected to arrive in 2017 and 12 more in 2018.
Besides the 11 TZ 753s bought by CO and 4 Copa 73G believe all other airaft in sUA and sCO fleet were purchased/leased new.
Anyone please correct me if wrong
Actually N105UA was ordered by NW 747-451 but air fleets said not delivered. Looks like UA picked it up new.


So 25 used A319s in total are coming?

The other 753s and 73G are already in service?

How significant a bump is that (25) given the size of United's single aisle fleet? How much closer does this get Kirby to his domestic increase plan?
How/where will we see these 25 additional A319s used? What ac will they replace? Or are they all incremental growth and nothing is replaced?
Sorry for all the questions. I'm sort of just starting to pay attention to these additional Airbuses coming. I like the refitted UA A319/20s!
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:48 am

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intotheair wrote:
Okcflyer wrote:
Is Copa getting rid of any more of the 73G's? These can go directly though the current G new F and slimline mod. Only thing in addition they need is the PDE/internet equipment and Copa's Drop down screens removed

From what I remember with the previous 73Gs that went to UA, didn't UA pretty much strip down the CP birds as if it were any other previous owner? Despite some of the similarities, I think UA put in new cabins to match the others and all-new paint.

The cockpits might be slightly different but from a cabin perspective Ships 0751-54 look like the other 50.

Right. From what I remember you saying a while ago, while CM and UA's cabins are very similar, there are some differences, and because of that, UA stripped out pretty much everything in the CP 73G cabins in order to match UA's specs. It's not like they can just swap out a few things here and there and call it a day. Or at least, that's how I understood it.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:17 am

calpsafltskeds wrote:
They are all 319s from China Southern. There were to be some from Spirit but that fell through. 8 so far including one in paint. 5 more expected to arrive in 2017 and 12 more in 2018.
Besides the 11 TZ 753s bought by CO and 4 Copa 73G believe all other airaft in sUA and sCO fleet were purchased/leased new.
Anyone please correct me if wrong
Actually N105UA was ordered by NW 747-451 but air fleets said not delivered. Looks like UA picked it up new.


All perfectly correct except only 4 more A319s are due this year. 6 were delivered in 2016, 6 more in 2017 (of which 2 already delivered), leaving 13 for 2018/beyond. N871UA should be the last for 2017.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:24 am

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calpsafltskeds wrote:

The other 753s and 73G are already in service?

How significant a bump is that (25) given the size of United's single aisle fleet? How much closer does this get Kirby to his domestic increase plan?
How/where will we see these 25 additional A319s used? What ac will they replace? Or are they all incremental growth and nothing is replaced?
Sorry for all the questions. I'm sort of just starting to pay attention to these additional Airbuses coming. I like the refitted UA A319/20s!


12 of their 21 753s came from ATA, they were acquired by CO about 12 years ago. In terms of the A319s they should get something like 2.3 flights per day from each from, so fifty something flights a day. They're being used to increase the size of UA's domestic mainline fleet , which trails significantly behind AA and DL's, and replace the reliance on 50 seat regional jets.
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Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:03 pm

737-800 new delivery:
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2nd of 4 738s this year (PDE/slimlines/ISP F/E+/space bins/split scimitars)
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:43 pm

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They are all 319s from China Southern. There were to be some from Spirit but that fell through. 8 so far including one in paint. 5 more expected to arrive in 2017 and 12 more in 2018.


26 China Southern A-319-132s scheduled as of Apr '17.......
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:39 am

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Exactly. Sometimes, the tail skid can't handle the task, and you've still got damaged airplane. But in the photo immediately to the left of that one in the yahoo results, you'll see that the tail skid is, indeed, the first object to hit the ground.


Your search results were apparently different than mine.

But in any case, in over 10 years flying 737NGs, I knew of a few tail strikes, most of which resulted in damage forward of the skid. As I understand it, in a bounce from a hard landing, the natural reaction was to try to re-flare the aircraft. However, at that point, the airspeed is too low and he aft fuselage makes contact with the runway (5+ feet ahead of the skid). The skid is most certainly not a cure-all!


I'm not sure whether we're arguing or not (kind of seems like it, but maybe we're just backing each other up?), but if you'll take note, I've said in BOTH of my posts that sometimes the tail skid doesn't prevent damaged airplane. Which is the same thing you're saying. So I think we're just repeating each other.
That said, oddly, Boeing recently decided on their 777-3ER product to remove the tail skid altogether. The weight savings outweigh the unlikely tail strikes, since the FBW system "usually" prevents a strike.
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Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:52 pm

744:
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Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:39 pm

Air Wisconsin CRJ2, likely to OKC for a repaint into UA colors.

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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Fri Sep 01, 2017 1:33 pm

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Air Wisconsin CRJ2, likely to OKC for a repaint into UA colors.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWI9 ... /KPHL/KOKC


Very sad day. I mean, not for Air Wisconsin, but we were on the road to getting rid of the CR2.
 
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Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:04 pm

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Very sad day. I mean, not for Air Wisconsin, but we were on the road to getting rid of the CR2.


While we all agree that any 50-seater is not optimal, they're still better than no airplane.

I've lost track after all the shuffling of RJ operators/fleets the past few months. What is the net gain for UA/UAX with the addition of the Air Wisc planes?
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Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:23 pm

The Air Wisconsin CRJ Fleet is an average of 14.9 year old. How much life do they have left? Are they doing anything to the interiors before joining the UAX fleet? Does anyone know what the cycle count limit is for a CRJ?

As a passenger I don't mind the CRJ but only for regional flights under 500 miles. Anything longer and I expect a E175 or Mainline.
 
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Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:02 pm

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Very sad day. I mean, not for Air Wisconsin, but we were on the road to getting rid of the CR2.


While we all agree that any 50-seater is not optimal, they're still better than no airplane.

I've lost track after all the shuffling of RJ operators/fleets the past few months. What is the net gain for UA/UAX with the addition of the Air Wisc planes?

Looking at the IR site's year end to year end numbers, the 30-50 seat fleet is decreasing by net three frames. That only accounts for 34 of the additional CRJ-200s this year, but presumably we'll see fleet exits of the entire Dash fleet, the E135s, and probably a few more E145s too. So once all the CRJ-200s are added, it still doesn't look like much of an increase of 30-50 seaters, if at all.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:02 pm

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cosyr wrote:
Very sad day. I mean, not for Air Wisconsin, but we were on the road to getting rid of the CR2.


While we all agree that any 50-seater is not optimal, they're still better than no airplane.

I've lost track after all the shuffling of RJ operators/fleets the past few months. What is the net gain for UA/UAX with the addition of the Air Wisc planes?

Exactly. They've made it fairly clear that these 50 seaters aren't intended to be placed on obvious mainline routes as they previously were. At this point, the fleet addition is being done with the intent on maintaining service to existing communities. For one thing, there aren't enough CRJ7s and E170/175s to go around if all 50 seaters were to disappear (there will never be enough due to the scope limits), not to mention several communities cannot support 70+ seat aircraft. Many of these communities are currently receiving service on the Dash 8, and were previously serviced with similarly small props (SF34, JS31, etc.). This move allows the retirement of the DH8B/DH8C, which are not only quite old at this point, but generally unpopular with passengers. These communities receiving jet service from a 50 seat aircraft is the largest aircraft to ply some routes. A 70/76 seat aircraft is a stretch too far.

At least these aircraft should be flying routes for which they were truly intended, and I'm completely fine with that...I would assume most of us are.
 
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Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:29 pm

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cosyr wrote:
Very sad day. I mean, not for Air Wisconsin, but we were on the road to getting rid of the CR2.


While we all agree that any 50-seater is not optimal, they're still better than no airplane.

I've lost track after all the shuffling of RJ operators/fleets the past few months. What is the net gain for UA/UAX with the addition of the Air Wisc planes?

I don't agree. The ERJ's are my favorite planes. I love flying on them, either by myself or with my wife. The CR2 is my least favorite plane that UA flies. The seats feel smaller, it's darker, it hurts when I have to bend down to look out the tiny windows (and I'm only 5'4"). The ERJ has some of the largest windows of any commercial planes, they're at the right height, the seats feel wider, or maybe it's just that there is a one seat side, so when I fly by myself I'm set, and the seconds immediately after the plane lifts off the runway, it seems like everything goes silent. I have flown it as far as DEN-CLE, and was even served a meal (obviously, this is when it was CO). Many happy memories on ERJ's.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:36 pm

cosyr wrote:
jetblastdubai wrote:
cosyr wrote:
Very sad day. I mean, not for Air Wisconsin, but we were on the road to getting rid of the CR2.


While we all agree that any 50-seater is not optimal, they're still better than no airplane.

I've lost track after all the shuffling of RJ operators/fleets the past few months. What is the net gain for UA/UAX with the addition of the Air Wisc planes?

I don't agree. The ERJ's are my favorite planes. I love flying on them, either by myself or with my wife. The CR2 is my least favorite plane that UA flies. The seats feel smaller, it's darker, it hurts when I have to bend down to look out the tiny windows (and I'm only 5'4"). The ERJ has some of the largest windows of any commercial planes, they're at the right height, the seats feel wider, or maybe it's just that there is a one seat side, so when I fly by myself I'm set, and the seconds immediately after the plane lifts off the runway, it seems like everything goes silent. I have flown it as far as DEN-CLE, and was even served a meal (obviously, this is when it was CO). Many happy memories on ERJ's.


UA just re-upped its CPA with ExpressJet for the operation of the ERJ-145, so over 100 ERJ frames will remain in service operated by XE. This is in addition to ERJs currently with Trans States and CommutAir... short answer, ERJs are here to stay with UAX.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:30 pm

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Exactly. Sometimes, the tail skid can't handle the task, and you've still got damaged airplane. But in the photo immediately to the left of that one in the yahoo results, you'll see that the tail skid is, indeed, the first object to hit the ground.


Your search results were apparently different than mine.

But in any case, in over 10 years flying 737NGs, I knew of a few tail strikes, most of which resulted in damage forward of the skid. As I understand it, in a bounce from a hard landing, the natural reaction was to try to re-flare the aircraft. However, at that point, the airspeed is too low and he aft fuselage makes contact with the runway (5+ feet ahead of the skid). The skid is most certainly not a cure-all!


I'm not sure whether we're arguing or not (kind of seems like it, but maybe we're just backing each other up?), but if you'll take note, I've said in BOTH of my posts that sometimes the tail skid doesn't prevent damaged airplane. Which is the same thing you're saying. So I think we're just repeating each other.
That said, oddly, Boeing recently decided on their 777-3ER product to remove the tail skid altogether. The weight savings outweigh the unlikely tail strikes, since the FBW system "usually" prevents a strike.
For what that's worth!


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...A two-position tailskid at the rear of the aircraft. The tailskid protects longerbodied 737-800s and -900ERs against inadvertent tailstrikes during landing, which allows higher aircraft approach attitudes and lower landing speeds...


In a hard landing from a bounce, doesn't the aft fuselage actually make contact well ahead of the tail skid? IOW, the tail skid is actually more effective for take offs than landings.


No- that would completely defeat the purpose of the tail skid.
It's positioned in such a way as to be the first point of contact across multiple attitudes.
That said, sometimes it can't contain the damage wholly within itself, and you've still got damaged airplane!


The tailskid will normally provide complete protection on Takeoff.
On Landing is another matter, as the main landing gear compresses and the clearance goes away if the strut fully compresses, allowing the belly to strike the runway rather than the tailskid.
That is the crux of the argument ?

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The first aircraft to undergo this modification is 6444 and it is set to release back to revenue service in late August. The airplanes that will undergo this modification are 6444, 6448, 6449, 6455, 6456, 6451, 6459, 6443, 6446, 6442, 6441, 6460, 6447, 6454.
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 They have new décor leather surfaces and are reclining with footrests. Lavatories
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• Door 5 has the large aft galley.
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• Flight attendant crew rest (OFAR) is located in the aft section of the aircraft, with the entrance by Door 5L. It is an upper crew rest consisting of six bunks
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• 777-300ER NLG has dual chambered strut instead of single chamber strut.
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• Fuel indicating: 300ER has 10 fuel quantity measuring sticks per wing; 200ER has 8 sticks.
• 300ER has 76 tank units; 200ER has 60 tank units.
• 300ER fuel tank capacity is 323,740 lbs., approx. 17,740 lbs. more than 200ER capacity.
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Air Conditioning
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• Composite fan blades.
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The 777-300ER will be delivered from Boeing configured with the Panasonic eX3 In-Flight Entertainment and eXconnect Broadband Systems, which streams audio and video on demand to each passenger seat and provides internet connection. Games, and other flight and United related information, are also available on demand to each passenger.
The 777-300ER will also be delivered with Gate-to-Gate WiFi, including a WiFi antenna that is powered on and transmitting all the time (including on the ground). There is a “Broadband Comm” switch in the flight deck P5 Overhead Panel that powers off the antenna during events when work may be occurring in the RF safety exclusion zone. Pilots turn this switch ON at Preflight and OFF at Parking / De-Icing.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:04 pm

That picture was taken at the San Francisco Maintenance Base (SMB). The planes are parked in front of Dock 1 and Dock 2
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:26 pm

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The tailskid will normally provide complete protection on Takeoff.
On Landing is another matter, as the main landing gear compresses and the clearance goes away if the strut fully compresses, allowing the belly to strike the runway rather than the tailskid.
That is the crux of the argument ?


From my perspective, yes - you've hit the crux of the discussion. That is, the tail skid is not perfect - total - protection

Your post was excellent, thank you. What is UAL doing to improve the dispatch reliability of the 767-300s?
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:04 am

How about a complete update for September 2017:
Please comments if I've missed anything.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Updated 9/1/17

IN PROCESS INTERIOR/EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS

POLARIS BF SEATS: 14/153 (excludes 744 and Domestic 772A)
763 - 0/35
764 - 0/16
772 - 0/55
77W - 14/14 (4 more deliveries in 3Q18)
788 - 0/12
789 - 0/21 (4 new deliveries to come, 2 in 2017)

WiFi Installation: Mainline, 738 of 738 complete, 100% (excludes 11 GUM 73NGs)
IN PROCESS:
C700 - (64/66 in service units): gogo - (GoJet/Mesa/Skywest)
COMPLETED:
A319 -(63/63): COMPLETED - SAT KU (WiFi/PDE)
A320 -(97/97): COMPLETED - SAT KU (WiFi/PDE)
73G - (36/40*): COMPLETED - SAT KA - (*Excluding GUM units 3712/3723/3726/3727)
738-(132/139*): COMPLETED - SAT KA (*Excluding GUM units 3201,3293-3299)
739A- (12/12): COMPLETED - SAT KA
739E-(136/136): COMPLETED - SAT KA
744 - (13/13): COMPLETED - SAT KU (WiFi/PDE)
752 - (56/56): COMPLETED gogo on All 15 p.s. units, SAT KU 3101-3141 Int'l units
753 - (21/21): COMPLERTED - 9 SAT KA (sCO), 12 SAT KU (ex TZ WiFi Stream/PDE)
763 - (35/35): COMPLETED - SAT KU
764 - (16/16): COMPLETED - SAT KU
772A- (19/19): COMPLETED - SAT KU:
772E- (55/55): COMPLETED - SAT KU
77W- (14/14) : COMPLETED - 4 more deliveries in 3Q2018
788 - (12/12): COMPLETED - SAT KU
789 - (21/21): COMPLETED - SAT KU - (All new deliveries come with Intl WiFi/PDE)
E170- (38/38): COMPLETED - gogo - (Shuttle America/Republic)
E175-(144/144): COMPLETED - gogo - (Mesa/Skywest/Republic)

PDE additions on Intl AVOD aircraft:
752: (Itnl, 41/41 = 100%) COMPLETED
763: (sUA, 25/35 = 71.4%) All except 664-668,670,672,674-676
764: (sCO, 4/16 = 12.5%) 3057-3058,3060,3065
772E: (sUA, 32/33 = 97.0%) All except 227
772E: (sCO, 17/22 = 13.6%)3002,3004-3009,3011-3020

737NG New Slimline Y seats: (285/326 = 78.2%) [73Gs get new F seats as well]
B/E Aerospace Pinnacle for (73G 12F/36E+/78Y) (738 16F/54E+/96Y=166, 16F/48E+/102Y=166 or 16F/42E+/108Y=166)(739 20F/42E+/117Y=179 or 20F/39E+/120Y=179)
73G: (16/40) COMPLETE 3701-3704,3706-3708,3710-3711,3718,3734,3751-3754
738: (129/139) REMAINING 3519-3523,3525-3529 (3201-3292,3501-2527: 16F/54E+/96Y), (3293-3299: 16F/42E+/108Y GUM), (3528-3542: 16F/48E+/102Y)
739A: (12/12) ALL COMPLETE (20F/42E+/117Y)
739E: (133/136) REMAINING 3438,3467,3469 (3413-3442,3811-3899: 20/42E+/117Y) (3443-3810: 20F/39E+/120Y)

737NG Split Scimitar Wingets (323/327 = 99%)
73G: (40/40): COMPLETE
738: (139/139): COMPLETE
739A: (11/12): Without 3405
739E: (133/136): Without 3438,3467,3469

A319/A320 New F Seats/In Seat Power (ISP) F/E+ (153/160 = 95.6%)
319: (63/63): Program completed
320: (90/97): Not Completed: 411, 435, 438, 452-453, 456, 458

763 2 Class mod for 21 aircraft: (Other 14: 664-677 completed in 2012/13) - All have Winglets
B763 (7/21=23.8%) 652-653,657-658,661-663 Complete - In HKG mod: 644, 648
763 Winglets on 3 class aircraaft: 641,654,660

752: Scimitar Winglets (no bottom strake) (32/41=78.1%) 3101-3110/3112-3115/3118-3120-3125/3127/3129/3131/3133-3135/3137-3140

753 110V Power F/E+: 11/12 TZ build: without 3868 (to recieve with slimline mod)

COMPLETED MODIFICATION PROGRAMS

>>>>PAINT United - Mainline COMPLETED = ALL 749
A319 (63/63) - A320 (97/97)[475 UA Retro]
B73G (40/40) [3720 Star] - B738 (139/139) [3210/3516 Star] - B739A sCO (12/12) - B739E (136/136) [sCO 67/sUA 69 - [3435 CO Retro, 3432 eco-skies, 3848 March of Dimes]
B744 (13/13)
B752 (56/56)[sCO 41, sUA 15] [3120 Star]- B753 (sCO 21/21)
B763 (35/35) [653 Star] - B764 (16/16) [3055 Star]
B772 (74/74)[sUA 19A, 33ER, sCO 22][218/794/3017/3021/3022 Star - Star paint are all ER models]
B77W (14/14) 2131-2137, 2138-2143
B788 (12/12) - B789 (21/21)
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>>>>PAINT United Express - Express COMPLETED = 521 Express REMAINING = 0
CRJ-200 SkyWest (63/63*) COMPLETED (*Up to 6 other Skywest House units may float between AA/AS/DL/UA)
CRJ-200 Air Wisconsin (3/3) Service starts 9/6/17
ERJ-135 ExpressJet (5/5) COMPLETED.
ERJ-145 ExpressJet [ex CO/UA] (77/77) COMPLETED.
ERJ-145 Trans States (2/2)
ERJ-145XR ExpressJet (43/43) COMPLETED.
ERJ-145XR Trans States (36/36) COMPLETED.
ERJ-145XR Commutair (22/22) COMPLETED. 21 flying, 1 in prep
ERJ-170 Shuttle America (5/5) COMPLETED.
ERJ-170 Republic (33/33) COMPLETED.
ERJ-175 Mesa (53/53) ALL NEW DELIVERIES.
ERJ-175 Sky West 65/65) ALL NEW DELIVERIES.
ERJ-175 Republic (26/26) ALL NEW DELIVERIES.
CRJ-700 GoJet (25/25) COMPLETED.
CRJ-700 Mesa (20/20) COMPLETED.
CRJ-700 SkyWest (22/22) COMPLETED.
Q200 CommutAir (16/16) COMPLETED.
Q300 CommutAir (2/2) COMPLETED.
ATR 42-320 Cape Air (3/3) COMPLETED.
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PAINT TOTALS: Mainline 750/750=100%, Express 520/521=100%, Combined 1270/1271=100%

sCO Economy Plus mainline conversion - COMPLETED

Fleets Removed from UA Fleet
B1900D Silver Gulfstream, SAAB 340, EMB120 and Q400, sUA 752 domestic, 762, 735

New Domestic/Hawaii Configuration for ALL 772A aircraft - 28BF Lie Flat/336Y (10 across Y)
B772A Hawaiian(9/9=0%) COMPLETED 210-215,768,772,779
B772A ITPE(10/10=100%) COMPLETED: 769,771,773-778,780-781
Earlier mods now obsolete
Hawaii Configuration for Select 772A aircraft - 32Business*/312Y (*7 across recliners)
B722A (9/9=100%) COMPLETED In-Seat Power: 9/9 COMPLETED

New BusinessFirst Lie Flat Seats for sCO International fleet
B752 (41/41=100%) - B764 (16/16=100%) - B772 (22/22=100%) - 788 (12/12=100%)- 789 (18/18) TOTAL (109/109=100%)

New First & Business Seats for former United International Widebodies
B772(33/33=100%): - Complete
B744 (13/13=100%) - Complete
B763 (14/14=100%) - Complete - B763 (21/21 =100%)/[2 Cabin] - Complete
TOTAL INTL(95/95=100%)[exlcudes 13 HI/Dom aircraft]

DirecTV (216* sCO aircraft) [*Not Counting GUM, Ex-GUM, Ex-TZ, Ex-Copa, 2016 and later deliveries]
73G*- 28/40* [100%] (4 Ex-Copa & 4 Ex-GUM with streaming WiFi/PDE - 4 GUM units have PTV)
738*- 115/139 [83.9%] - (8 former GUM units and 3531 & up with PDE - 7 GUM units have PTV)
739A- 12/12 [100%]
739E- 52/67 [76.5%] - (3465-3479, have streaming WiFi/PDE)
753 - 9/9 [100%] - (excluding Ex TZ units 3860-3871 with streaming WiFi/PDE)

Airbus new interior bin doors
A319 63/63 N8xxUA) (A320 97/97 N4xxUA)

New Slimline Y Recaro 3520 seats:
A319: (63/63) 8F/42E+/78Y=128
A320: (97/97) 12F/42E+/96Y=150

Guam 738/73G reassignment: (GUM now 11 vs. 12 units)
To GUM: 738s(7), 3293-3299- 73Gs(4), 3712,3723,3726-3727
From GUM: 738s(8), 3201,3227,3232,3235-3236,3240,3246,3249 73Gs(3), 3720,3734-3736 (WiFi/PDE/ISP F/E+)
GUM aircraft: scimitars, seatback looped IFE, no WiFi - 738s have slimline E+ 16F/42E+/104Y

744 In-Seat Power in Y (13/13)

752: New ps Configuration (15/15=100%)- 502,505,510,512,518,546,568,587-590,595-598

753 ETOPS: (100%] CO Build (9/9) - TZ Build (12/12)
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:25 pm

Anyone have any idea when we will start to see the 753 arrive in the new configuration?
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:44 pm

snn2003 wrote:
Anyone have any idea when we will start to see the 753 arrive in the new configuration?



It starts in Nov, so Dec?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:22 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
How about a complete update for September 2017:
Please comments if I've missed anything.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Updated 9/1/17

IN PROCESS INTERIOR/EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS

POLARIS BF SEATS: 14/153 (excludes 744 and Domestic 772A)
763 - 0/35
764 - 0/16
772 - 0/55
77W - 14/14 (4 more deliveries in 3Q18)
788 - 0/12
789 - 0/21 (4 new deliveries to come, 2 in 2017)

There is at least 1 763 with Polaris, since we have pictures of the interior, but I don't know the tail number.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:43 pm

cosyr wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
How about a complete update for September 2017:
Please comments if I've missed anything.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Updated 9/1/17

IN PROCESS INTERIOR/EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS

POLARIS BF SEATS: 14/153 (excludes 744 and Domestic 772A)
763 - 0/35
764 - 0/16
772 - 0/55
77W - 14/14 (4 more deliveries in 3Q18)
788 - 0/12
789 - 0/21 (4 new deliveries to come, 2 in 2017)

There is at least 1 763 with Polaris, since we have pictures of the interior, but I don't know the tail number.



N644UA, its not in service, still in HKG having it installed.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:11 pm

springtx wrote:
N644UA, its not in service, still in HKG having it installed.

It's been at HAECO at HKG since May 8th, and had one test flight on July 18th and another on August 26th.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N644UA
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:09 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
How about a complete update for September 2017:
Please comments if I've missed anything.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Updated 9/1/17

IN PROCESS INTERIOR/EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS

POLARIS BF SEATS: 14/153 (excludes 744 and Domestic 772A)
763 - 0/35
764 - 0/16
772 - 0/55
77W - 14/14 (4 more deliveries in 3Q18)
788 - 0/12
789 - 0/21 (4 new deliveries to come, 2 in 2017)

WiFi Installation: Mainline, 738 of 738 complete, 100% (excludes 11 GUM 73NGs)
IN PROCESS:
C700 - (64/66 in service units): gogo - (GoJet/Mesa/Skywest)
COMPLETED:
A319 -(63/63): COMPLETED - SAT KU (WiFi/PDE)
A320 -(97/97): COMPLETED - SAT KU (WiFi/PDE)
73G - (36/40*): COMPLETED - SAT KA - (*Excluding GUM units 3712/3723/3726/3727)
738-(132/139*): COMPLETED - SAT KA (*Excluding GUM units 3201,3293-3299)
739A- (12/12): COMPLETED - SAT KA
739E-(136/136): COMPLETED - SAT KA
744 - (13/13): COMPLETED - SAT KU (WiFi/PDE)
752 - (56/56): COMPLETED gogo on All 15 p.s. units, SAT KU 3101-3141 Int'l units
753 - (21/21): COMPLERTED - 9 SAT KA (sCO), 12 SAT KU (ex TZ WiFi Stream/PDE)
763 - (35/35): COMPLETED - SAT KU
764 - (16/16): COMPLETED - SAT KU
772A- (19/19): COMPLETED - SAT KU:
772E- (55/55): COMPLETED - SAT KU
77W- (14/14) : COMPLETED - 4 more deliveries in 3Q2018
788 - (12/12): COMPLETED - SAT KU
789 - (21/21): COMPLETED - SAT KU - (All new deliveries come with Intl WiFi/PDE)
E170- (38/38): COMPLETED - gogo - (Shuttle America/Republic)
E175-(144/144): COMPLETED - gogo - (Mesa/Skywest/Republic)

PDE additions on Intl AVOD aircraft:
752: (Itnl, 41/41 = 100%) COMPLETED
763: (sUA, 25/35 = 71.4%) All except 664-668,670,672,674-676
764: (sCO, 4/16 = 12.5%) 3057-3058,3060,3065
772E: (sUA, 32/33 = 97.0%) All except 227
772E: (sCO, 17/22 = 13.6%)3002,3004-3009,3011-3020

737NG New Slimline Y seats: (285/326 = 78.2%) [73Gs get new F seats as well]
B/E Aerospace Pinnacle for (73G 12F/36E+/78Y) (738 16F/54E+/96Y=166, 16F/48E+/102Y=166 or 16F/42E+/108Y=166)(739 20F/42E+/117Y=179 or 20F/39E+/120Y=179)
73G: (16/40) COMPLETE 3701-3704,3706-3708,3710-3711,3718,3734,3751-3754
738: (129/139) REMAINING 3519-3523,3525-3529 (3201-3292,3501-2527: 16F/54E+/96Y), (3293-3299: 16F/42E+/108Y GUM), (3528-3542: 16F/48E+/102Y)
739A: (12/12) ALL COMPLETE (20F/42E+/117Y)
739E: (133/136) REMAINING 3438,3467,3469 (3413-3442,3811-3899: 20/42E+/117Y) (3443-3810: 20F/39E+/120Y)

737NG Split Scimitar Wingets (323/327 = 99%)
73G: (40/40): COMPLETE
738: (139/139): COMPLETE
739A: (11/12): Without 3405
739E: (133/136): Without 3438,3467,3469

A319/A320 New F Seats/In Seat Power (ISP) F/E+ (153/160 = 95.6%)
319: (63/63): Program completed
320: (90/97): Not Completed: 411, 435, 438, 452-453, 456, 458

763 2 Class mod for 21 aircraft: (Other 14: 664-677 completed in 2012/13) - All have Winglets
B763 (7/21=23.8%) 652-653,657-658,661-663 Complete - In HKG mod: 644, 648
763 Winglets on 3 class aircraaft: 641,654,660

752: Scimitar Winglets (no bottom strake) (32/41=78.1%) 3101-3110/3112-3115/3118-3120-3125/3127/3129/3131/3133-3135/3137-3140

753 110V Power F/E+: 11/12 TZ build: without 3868 (to recieve with slimline mod)

COMPLETED MODIFICATION PROGRAMS

>>>>PAINT United - Mainline COMPLETED = ALL 749
A319 (63/63) - A320 (97/97)[475 UA Retro]
B73G (40/40) [3720 Star] - B738 (139/139) [3210/3516 Star] - B739A sCO (12/12) - B739E (136/136) [sCO 67/sUA 69 - [3435 CO Retro, 3432 eco-skies, 3848 March of Dimes]
B744 (13/13)
B752 (56/56)[sCO 41, sUA 15] [3120 Star]- B753 (sCO 21/21)
B763 (35/35) [653 Star] - B764 (16/16) [3055 Star]
B772 (74/74)[sUA 19A, 33ER, sCO 22][218/794/3017/3021/3022 Star - Star paint are all ER models]
B77W (14/14) 2131-2137, 2138-2143
B788 (12/12) - B789 (21/21)
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>>>>PAINT United Express - Express COMPLETED = 521 Express REMAINING = 0
CRJ-200 SkyWest (63/63*) COMPLETED (*Up to 6 other Skywest House units may float between AA/AS/DL/UA)
CRJ-200 Air Wisconsin (3/3) Service starts 9/6/17
ERJ-135 ExpressJet (5/5) COMPLETED.
ERJ-145 ExpressJet [ex CO/UA] (77/77) COMPLETED.
ERJ-145 Trans States (2/2)
ERJ-145XR ExpressJet (43/43) COMPLETED.
ERJ-145XR Trans States (36/36) COMPLETED.
ERJ-145XR Commutair (22/22) COMPLETED. 21 flying, 1 in prep
ERJ-170 Shuttle America (5/5) COMPLETED.
ERJ-170 Republic (33/33) COMPLETED.
ERJ-175 Mesa (53/53) ALL NEW DELIVERIES.
ERJ-175 Sky West 65/65) ALL NEW DELIVERIES.
ERJ-175 Republic (26/26) ALL NEW DELIVERIES.
CRJ-700 GoJet (25/25) COMPLETED.
CRJ-700 Mesa (20/20) COMPLETED.
CRJ-700 SkyWest (22/22) COMPLETED.
Q200 CommutAir (16/16) COMPLETED.
Q300 CommutAir (2/2) COMPLETED.
ATR 42-320 Cape Air (3/3) COMPLETED.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
PAINT TOTALS: Mainline 750/750=100%, Express 520/521=100%, Combined 1270/1271=100%

sCO Economy Plus mainline conversion - COMPLETED

Fleets Removed from UA Fleet
B1900D Silver Gulfstream, SAAB 340, EMB120 and Q400, sUA 752 domestic, 762, 735

New Domestic/Hawaii Configuration for ALL 772A aircraft - 28BF Lie Flat/336Y (10 across Y)
B772A Hawaiian(9/9=0%) COMPLETED 210-215,768,772,779
B772A ITPE(10/10=100%) COMPLETED: 769,771,773-778,780-781
Earlier mods now obsolete
Hawaii Configuration for Select 772A aircraft - 32Business*/312Y (*7 across recliners)
B722A (9/9=100%) COMPLETED In-Seat Power: 9/9 COMPLETED

New BusinessFirst Lie Flat Seats for sCO International fleet
B752 (41/41=100%) - B764 (16/16=100%) - B772 (22/22=100%) - 788 (12/12=100%)- 789 (18/18) TOTAL (109/109=100%)

New First & Business Seats for former United International Widebodies
B772(33/33=100%): - Complete
B744 (13/13=100%) - Complete
B763 (14/14=100%) - Complete - B763 (21/21 =100%)/[2 Cabin] - Complete
TOTAL INTL(95/95=100%)[exlcudes 13 HI/Dom aircraft]

DirecTV (216* sCO aircraft) [*Not Counting GUM, Ex-GUM, Ex-TZ, Ex-Copa, 2016 and later deliveries]
73G*- 28/40* [100%] (4 Ex-Copa & 4 Ex-GUM with streaming WiFi/PDE - 4 GUM units have PTV)
738*- 115/139 [83.9%] - (8 former GUM units and 3531 & up with PDE - 7 GUM units have PTV)
739A- 12/12 [100%]
739E- 52/67 [76.5%] - (3465-3479, have streaming WiFi/PDE)
753 - 9/9 [100%] - (excluding Ex TZ units 3860-3871 with streaming WiFi/PDE)

Airbus new interior bin doors
A319 63/63 N8xxUA) (A320 97/97 N4xxUA)

New Slimline Y Recaro 3520 seats:
A319: (63/63) 8F/42E+/78Y=128
A320: (97/97) 12F/42E+/96Y=150

Guam 738/73G reassignment: (GUM now 11 vs. 12 units)
To GUM: 738s(7), 3293-3299- 73Gs(4), 3712,3723,3726-3727
From GUM: 738s(8), 3201,3227,3232,3235-3236,3240,3246,3249 73Gs(3), 3720,3734-3736 (WiFi/PDE/ISP F/E+)
GUM aircraft: scimitars, seatback looped IFE, no WiFi - 738s have slimline E+ 16F/42E+/104Y

744 In-Seat Power in Y (13/13)

752: New ps Configuration (15/15=100%)- 502,505,510,512,518,546,568,587-590,595-598

753 ETOPS: (100%] CO Build (9/9) - TZ Build (12/12)



Always appreciated! I don't know how others feel but I think we're at the point where we can stop tracking some of these items which have been completed for a for years, such as the paint, anything to do with retired types (1900s, SF34s, etc.) and the 753 ETOPS program. Just a thought, maybe just focus on the ongoing projects now.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:19 pm

Apologies for not totally knowing how to read this:

737NG New Slimline Y seats: (285/326 = 78.2%) [73Gs get new F seats as well]
B/E Aerospace Pinnacle for (73G 12F/36E+/78Y) (738 16F/54E+/96Y=166, 16F/48E+/102Y=166 or 16F/42E+/108Y=166)(739 20F/42E+/117Y=179 or 20F/39E+/120Y=179)
73G: (16/40) COMPLETE 3701-3704,3706-3708,3710-3711,3718,3734,3751-3754
738: (129/139) REMAINING 3519-3523,3525-3529 (3201-3292,3501-2527: 16F/54E+/96Y), (3293-3299: 16F/42E+/108Y GUM), (3528-3542: 16F/48E+/102Y)
739A: (12/12) ALL COMPLETE (20F/42E+/117Y)
739E: (133/136) REMAINING 3438,3467,3469 (3413-3442,3811-3899: 20/42E+/117Y) (3443-3810: 20F/39E+/120Y)

Of the above, how many 737s (of any variant) have the new F seat? Are just the 737G's getting them first, or will the new F seat be installed across the entire 737 fleet at different times? It is strange when you are doing an RT and get a new F seat on an A320, then get a very new looking 737 on the return and get a very old seat (or looks and feels very old) it's quite a contrast.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:27 pm

FlyHossD wrote:
CALTECH wrote:

The tailskid will normally provide complete protection on Takeoff.
On Landing is another matter, as the main landing gear compresses and the clearance goes away if the strut fully compresses, allowing the belly to strike the runway rather than the tailskid.
That is the crux of the argument ?


From my perspective, yes - you've hit the crux of the discussion. That is, the tail skid is not perfect - total - protection

Your post was excellent, thank you. What is UAL doing to improve the dispatch reliability of the 767-300s?


#6444 started with a life extension project, Service ETR 09-04, except for the Typhoon coming close on Sunday might change it all. Looks like a convuluted 2-2-2 but they number it a 1-1-1.
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snn2003 wrote:
Anyone have any idea when we will start to see the 753 arrive in the new configuration?


#860 will be a STC, scheduled ETR 23 Dec, but then believe it does the NGS install mod, another STC maybe.
#854 will be a STC, scheduled ETR 24 Jan, but then believe it too does the NGS install mod, another STC maybe.
All 753 scheduled completion, Sept 27 2018.

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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:32 pm

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Apologies for not totally knowing how to read this:

Of the above, how many 737s (of any variant) have the new F seat? Are just the 737G's getting them first, or will the new F seat be installed across the entire 737 fleet at different times? It is strange when you are doing an RT and get a new F seat on an A320, then get a very new looking 737 on the return and get a very old seat (or looks and feels very old) it's quite a contrast.


# 753, ex-COPA, came through the other day, and it's 1st class seats reclined and seat bottoms moved while reclining. Someday, they, all 737NGs, should get the new 1st class seats. Probably will get scheduled during heavy checks where the seats are pulled out to get overhauled.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:52 pm

I know its been said earlier elsewhere but I must commend UA for their Polaris retrofit of the 767-300ER, albeit only 14 of them. Its hands down the best looking premium interior of any 767 in service. The Polaris products appears to be a generation ahead of the Thompson Vantage 1-2-1 767 configuration, previously the only configuration guaranteeing all aisle access for the narrow 767 fuselage. Wish UA would retrofit the other 21 767-300ERs with Polaris. It sounds like the 767-400ER will receive Polaris. I don't see why the 767-400ER won't be around until 2030, roughly the same time when the 777-200ER will be up for retirement. I can't wait to see how Polaris looks on the 787-10.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:00 pm

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#6444 started with a life extension project, Service ETR 09-04, except for the Typhoon coming close on Sunday might change it all. Looks like a convuluted 2-2-2 but they number it a 1-1-1.
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It's not 2-2-2 just take a few moments to look that the layout and you can clearly see there are only 3 seats in every row. Some seats are angled making it appear that there are actually 2 seats side by side but the reality is all passengers will have direct access to the aisle no more climbing over another person. The new layout for the 767 fleet will be 1-1-1.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:08 pm

DeSpringbokke wrote:
I know its been said earlier elsewhere but I must commend UA for their Polaris retrofit of the 767-300ER, albeit only 14 of them. Its hands down the best looking premium interior of any 767 in service. The Polaris products appears to be a generation ahead of the Thompson Vantage 1-2-1 767 configuration, previously the only configuration guaranteeing all aisle access for the narrow 767 fuselage. Wish UA would retrofit the other 21 767-300ERs with Polaris. It sounds like the 767-400ER will receive Polaris. I don't see why the 767-400ER won't be around until 2030, roughly the same time when the 777-200ER will be up for retirement. I can't wait to see how Polaris looks on the 787-10.


ALL 763s will be retrofited they are just low on the list since the old CO 2 cabin is fairly new and they are trying to rid themselves of 3 class aircraft.

I agree on how it looks though. Iv never seen a 763 look so good......I'm impressed!
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:09 am

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It's not 2-2-2 just take a few moments to look that the layout and you can clearly see there are only 3 seats in every row. Some seats are angled making it appear that there are actually 2 seats side by side but the reality is all passengers will have direct access to the aisle no more climbing over another person. The new layout for the 767 fleet will be 1-1-1.

He said it "looks like a convuluted 2-2-2 but they number it a 1-1-1", which I think is an accurate statement. Obviously it is 1-1-1, but with the way the seats are staggered, it looks a bit like a 2-2-2. This isn't in any way to take away from the Polaris seats — I think they not only look incredible, but from a hard product perspective, it puts UA on par with many top carriers the world over. The soft product will still have a long way to go, but from a design perspective, they've created an extremely competitive product. Just from looking at the cabin though, its somewhat unique layout doesn't look like a clear 1-1-1, so I think that's all that CALTECH was eluding to.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:29 am

I think it's quite telling by how they have lettered each seat. All the windows are A or L seats, but the middle seats alternate between D and F. So the middle section goes 1F, 2D, 3F, etc. instead of all having the same letter. It still is technically 1-1-1 I suppose, but it does look particularly tight. It's certainly not the same 1-1-1 as what's in F in the soon-to-be phased out 3-cabin 763 configuration.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:33 am

jayunited wrote:
CALTECH wrote:
#6444 started with a life extension project, Service ETR 09-04, except for the Typhoon coming close on Sunday might change it all. Looks like a convuluted 2-2-2 but they number it a 1-1-1.
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It's not 2-2-2 just take a few moments to look that the layout and you can clearly see there are only 3 seats in every row. Some seats are angled making it appear that there are actually 2 seats side by side but the reality is all passengers will have direct access to the aisle no more climbing over another person. The new layout for the 767 fleet will be 1-1-1.


That's all known, posts 955 and 958 covered it. The config shows a convulted 2-2-2 layout labeled as 1-1-1.
10 rows of 3 or 5 rows of 6, try to find a good drawing of it to post.

Looks like 2 A-320s will join the fleet soon, looks like they were previously operated by
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Sun Sep 03, 2017 1:07 am

CALTECH wrote:
jayunited wrote:
CALTECH wrote:
#6444 started with a life extension project, Service ETR 09-04, except for the Typhoon coming close on Sunday might change it all. Looks like a convuluted 2-2-2 but they number it a 1-1-1.
Image


It's not 2-2-2 just take a few moments to look that the layout and you can clearly see there are only 3 seats in every row. Some seats are angled making it appear that there are actually 2 seats side by side but the reality is all passengers will have direct access to the aisle no more climbing over another person. The new layout for the 767 fleet will be 1-1-1.


That's all known, posts 955 and 958 covered it. The config shows a convulted 2-2-2 layout labeled as 1-1-1.
10 rows of 3 or 5 rows of 6, try to find a good drawing of it to post.

Looks like 2 A-320s will join the fleet soon, looks like they were previously operated by

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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:13 am

Aviation Adict:
I should probably remove the old ones, but they are posted under Completed Progams on bottom of file.

FYI: Airbus fleet: DLH now has 5 Airbuses in town - 1 to leave tomorrow.

73G:
N17730 sked to exit MIA 1476/4Sep with slimlines/new F seats

752:
N12116 entered MIA 2786/31Aug - probable restart of scimitar winglet program - 31 of 41 complete

772:
N781UA entered HKG 2832/30Aug for maint
N780UA expect to leave HKG soon

UAX update:
E175:
N749YX has been delivered to Republic for induction
N750YX has been delivered to Republic for induction
N85354 has been delivered to Mesa for induction

ATR:
N45838 entered revenue service with Cape Air out of Guam on 28Aug (3rd ATR in the Guam fleet)

CR2:
N408AW (2001 build) has completed mods and is in Globe livery for 6Sept entry with ZW
N409AW has completed interior mods and is in Globe livery for service entry 6Sept with Air Wisconsin
N420AW has completed interior mods and is in Globe livery for service entry 6Sept with ZW (Air Wisconsin)
There are 8 other ZW CR2s currently being converted/painted.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Sun Sep 03, 2017 3:06 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
Aviation Adict:
I should probably remove the old ones, but they are posted under Completed Progams on bottom of file.

FYI: Airbus fleet: DLH now has 5 Airbuses in town - 1 to leave tomorrow.

73G:
N17730 sked to exit MIA 1476/4Sep with slimlines/new F seats

752:
N12116 entered MIA 2786/31Aug - probable restart of scimitar winglet program - 31 of 41 complete

772:
N781UA entered HKG 2832/30Aug for maint
N780UA expect to leave HKG soon

UAX update:
E175:
N749YX has been delivered to Republic for induction
N750YX has been delivered to Republic for induction
N85354 has been delivered to Mesa for induction

ATR:
N45838 entered revenue service with Cape Air out of Guam on 28Aug (3rd ATR in the Guam fleet)

CR2:
N408AW (2001 build) has completed mods and is in Globe livery for 6Sept entry with ZW
N409AW has completed interior mods and is in Globe livery for service entry 6Sept with Air Wisconsin
N420AW has completed interior mods and is in Globe livery for service entry 6Sept with ZW (Air Wisconsin)
There are 8 other ZW CR2s currently being converted/painted.


No worries either way, keep up the great work!
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Sun Sep 03, 2017 3:06 pm

If the 767 Polaris hard product is close to the 77W it is a wonderfully designed seat, I loved it. And on a 767, my favorite tube size, it should be awesome. If what Oscar says is true "Sleep is the #1 most important thing" they did nail that. It's a very comfortable, very flat bed and comfy beddings/blankets. If one is a 1 or 2 times a month international business traveler: sleeping is more important than anything else. And given the shorter flights from the East coast to Europe, sleep trumps food and IFE.
They can't refit the 772s and 787s fast enough!
I would hope UA puts any and all Polaris fitted ac on their ULH flights first, where the comfort and aisle access counts most. UA's AVOD is very good already and with Ch 9, it ought to really attract business contracts. But I think it's going to take UA way longer than stated to change the entire international fleet.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:11 pm

Does anyone at United know if the 764s and PS757s will be getting Polaris?
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:28 pm

when will the c5 dh8 be removed from service?
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Sun Sep 03, 2017 7:52 pm

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when will the c5 dh8 be removed from service?

I think they're due for removal in early 2018, likely in January. There are only roughly 20 remaining in service, and have been/are being replaced by E145s. That will be the end of prop service in UAX's fleet, with the exception of three ATRs flying in Guam with Cape Air.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:03 pm

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Does anyone at United know if the 764s and PS757s will be getting Polaris?


764s yes don't know when. EVERY WB will get Polaris at some point.

I'm not sure the Polaris seat will fit in a 757 body. Unless they go 1-1 which will drastically cut premium seats. So I'm not sure what they will do with "United Coast" (PS)

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