777Mech
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:45 am

DeltaMD95 wrote:
777Mech wrote:
FlyUSAir wrote:
I don't get it, I thought Delta wasn't retiring the MD90's at this time? N902DA is filed as flying from ATL to BYH tomorrow but it is also filed as flying MKE-ATL-DEN-ATL-STL-ATL tomorrow as well. Which one is correct, and am I missing where Delta said they are parking MD90's?


I show internally that it is flying a regular schedule. It is also not on the retirement list. I'm not sure why it's filed to BYH.

FWIW 9232 will be the first one to go in December.


Why retire a 20-year-old MD-90 that's nowhere near its useful life limits and when the V2500s are still in production? It really amazes me how far they have abandoned the high ROI/low capex strategy that allowed the airline to be successful this past decade. Such a disappointment.


There's a myriad of reasons why, and there may be someone that can explain it better.

The driver is that the MRO Delta uses for overhauling the D5 version of the 2500 will stop supporting the type, (Air New Zealand Engine Centre) and the only other one that I think overhauls those motors is Lufthansa Technik.

If you couple that with the not so well maintained China MD-90s they bought, (mostly for the landing gear sets) and the narrow body market where you can get more efficient frames for a steal, it's worth it to park a few frames and cannibalise them for spares.

If it makes you feel any better, most of the -88s that were scheduled to retire will actually get checks done and fly for a little while longer.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:39 pm

Why retire a 20-year-old MD-90 that's nowhere near its useful life limits and when the V2500s are still in production? It really amazes me how far they have abandoned the high ROI/low capex strategy that allowed the airline to be successful this past decade. Such a disappointment.

The variant of the V2500 on the MD90 is not being produced. The overhaul costs for this variant have gone way out of control. Current overhaul is about $6Million. Yes, that is about what they cost new. In comparison most other narrow body motors can be reworked for about $1Million or less.

I don't know the details, but would guess that IAE is ready to drop support for the D5 version. One way of doing that is to price replacement parts so that it is uneconomical to repair. Being a small fleet, no third party vendor would step in to provide parts. Also I think the two shops that work on the D5 would rather not work the motor anymore. There were some internal rumors around DL that our vendor wanted to not renew the contract. An easy out is to raise the price to make it uneconomical to repair.

Yes, the MD90 will soon be going away. The ten MD88 that were to be retired this fall are going to be parked when they come up for HMV and will be put through HMV in QRQ when there is room in the plan. Those could be the last MD88 to go through HMV. I think two MD90 will be retired this year. Who knows what will happen in 2018.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:42 pm

777Mech seems like an informed and reliable poster but a start of retirements for MD-90s is big news.

As for the older aircraft/low capex plan, the success depended on more than frame age (years/hours/cycles) and available parts. It's also a function of maintenance costs (itself a major function of wages), fuel costs (low - for now), capital costs, new frame costs, analysts' acceptance of debt and higher capex, passengers' willingness to pay more on fully-featured planes, and more. It's reasonable to review costs and relevance of the strategy regularly.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:26 pm

In the day, MD90 operators were offered the V2500 enhancements applicable to other variants. There were no takers, so this would have capped the support life.

Presumably none are on PBTH, which is less common with NB aircraft engines.

Parts and PBTH contracts are often in 5 year bands. For those acquiring new, the canny negotiate a 15 or even 20 year fixed price (adjusted only for inflation) contract, though this incurs higher upfront costs.

Parts prices for these will have been revised/reviewed at the 15 year milestone. This makes scavenging from the fleet financially more attractive, especially if when you retire the last aircraft, there is no other operator, so parts value will be scrap.

Performance deteriorates with age, like humans. At some point, increased maintenance and decreased performance intersect with increased operating costs and increased downtime.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:35 pm

So to recap how many 757s/767s/A320s/MD-88s/MD-90s will be parked this year?
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:50 pm

Someone on the airline pilot forum posted in the last day or two about talk at Delta headquarters of retiring the MD90 soon because of very high heavy maintenance costs, supposedly 4 times the cost of the MD88. Delta seems to have enough 321's, 739's, and C series coming to replace the MD88 and MD90 if true.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:35 pm

DeSpringbokke wrote:
So to recap how many 757s/767s/A320s/MD-88s/MD-90s will be parked this year?


I believe it's 1 more 757, no 767s, 3 more A320s, 2 -88s and 2 MD90s.

One MD-90 will be stored and reactivated in 2020ish.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:58 pm

DeltaMD95 wrote:
777Mech wrote:
FlyUSAir wrote:
I don't get it, I thought Delta wasn't retiring the MD90's at this time? N902DA is filed as flying from ATL to BYH tomorrow but it is also filed as flying MKE-ATL-DEN-ATL-STL-ATL tomorrow as well. Which one is correct, and am I missing where Delta said they are parking MD90's?


I show internally that it is flying a regular schedule. It is also not on the retirement list. I'm not sure why it's filed to BYH.

FWIW 9232 will be the first one to go in December.


Why retire a 20-year-old MD-90 that's nowhere near its useful life limits
and when the V2500s are still in production? It really amazes me how far they have abandoned the high ROI/low capex strategy that allowed the airline to be successful this past decade. Such a disappointment.

I get that y'all are MD fans and that the MDs have a super high cycle limit/hour limit and, with unlimited budgets, could fly for 20 more years easily.....but you gotta quit just looking at that.

The MD90 fleet has quite a few issues

1) As 777mech said, the birds from Asia are pretty beat up. The gear sets would be lucky to get an overhaul at this point and not just replaced (i.e. not cheap). I have also heard of some corrosion issues on those frames and just getting the reliability standards up to the original 16 is proving too costly.

2) the V2500-D5 overhaul vendors have been dropping like flies because their is only the one operator. The few that still have the license are charging astronomical numbers compared to the CFM56-5B and CFM56-7. DL has looked at bringing the motor in-house but IAE is completely uninterested in making a deal. If DL doesn't have the ability to offer the A model motors for 3rd party work their is zero chance the motor comes in-house.

3) DL is out of space for another engine line at the moment. Even when the 219 shop finally shuts down it is more likely that space goes to either move CFM bays or the GTF, and its still going to be a while before they completely shut down the 219 work(last i heard was 2020)

4) DL really missed its chance with IAE and bringing the V2500 in house, even if they wanted too. Tony Charaf and co had the chance in 2008-2009 but instead decided to sign a short term contract with MTU then a longer term deal with PW.

5) Boeing, Airbus and CFM are offering deals way too good to be true right now. They are buying new CFM56s for less than they would pay to overhaul the D5.

The MD88 issues is parts costs. Believe it or not, 219s are still one of the cheapest motors to overhaul all things being equal, but lack of parts on the market is catching up to it fast. The MD90 is the opposite. IAE and Boeing are still supporting the airplane, just can't find a vendor to overhaul things on a comparable level to the 737 and A320, which as I said above, Boeing and Airbus are practically giving away if you will take it with a CFM56.

This is a drastic change from ~ a year ago when the MD90s would stay for another 10 years or so. Now I wouldn't be shocked to see every T-tail not a 717 gone by 2020. Going to be really interesting to see what base maintenance looks like in a few years in Atlanta. Just leased the T-tail hangar for all of these birds and now over half of them will be parked soon. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
ehaase wrote:
Someone on the airline pilot forum posted in the last day or two about talk at Delta headquarters of retiring the MD90 soon because of very high heavy maintenance costs, supposedly 4 times the cost of the MD88. Delta seems to have enough 321's, 739's, and C series coming to replace the MD88 and MD90 if true.

Engine side it is probably much higher than that. Airframe side the numbers on the 90s aren't as bad. Some of the big ticket components(again landing gear) are also way above the MD88/737/320.

777Mech wrote:
DeltaMD95 wrote:
777Mech wrote:

I show internally that it is flying a regular schedule. It is also not on the retirement list. I'm not sure why it's filed to BYH.

FWIW 9232 will be the first one to go in December.


Why retire a 20-year-old MD-90 that's nowhere near its useful life limits and when the V2500s are still in production? It really amazes me how far they have abandoned the high ROI/low capex strategy that allowed the airline to be successful this past decade. Such a disappointment.


There's a myriad of reasons why, and there may be someone that can explain it better.

The driver is that the MRO Delta uses for overhauling the D5 version of the 2500 will stop supporting the type, (Air New Zealand Engine Centre) and the only other one that I think overhauls those motors is Lufthansa Technik.

If you couple that with the not so well maintained China MD-90s they bought, (mostly for the landing gear sets) and the narrow body market where you can get more efficient frames for a steal, it's worth it to park a few frames and cannibalise them for spares.

If it makes you feel any better, most of the -88s that were scheduled to retire will actually get checks done and fly for a little while longer.

Pretty much this post.

but FWIW I am about 95% sure MTU is still offering the D5. Doesn't really matter, 2 or 3 vendors (and one being LHT) is going to drive costs up like crazy.
Really a shame Delta never got into the V2500 game. I know now 3rd party work isn't nearly as important as it was (evil for you airframe guys and gals) but they missed out on a metric ton of revenue.

Dalmd88 wrote:
Why retire a 20-year-old MD-90 that's nowhere near its useful life limits and when the V2500s are still in production? It really amazes me how far they have abandoned the high ROI/low capex strategy that allowed the airline to be successful this past decade. Such a disappointment.

The variant of the V2500 on the MD90 is not being produced. The overhaul costs for this variant have gone way out of control. Current overhaul is about $6Million. Yes, that is about what they cost new. In comparison most other narrow body motors can be reworked for about $1Million or less.

I don't know the details, but would guess that IAE is ready to drop support for the D5 version. One way of doing that is to price replacement parts so that it is uneconomical to repair. Being a small fleet, no third party vendor would step in to provide parts. Also I think the two shops that work on the D5 would rather not work the motor anymore. There were some internal rumors around DL that our vendor wanted to not renew the contract. An easy out is to raise the price to make it uneconomical to repair.

Yes, the MD90 will soon be going away. The ten MD88 that were to be retired this fall are going to be parked when they come up for HMV and will be put through HMV in QRQ when there is room in the plan. Those could be the last MD88 to go through HMV. I think two MD90 will be retired this year. Who knows what will happen in 2018.


No kidding. The fleet plan is changing so much and maintenance is changing right along with it. Hopefully a simpler fleet will mean less c-checks being done at places like VQQ and more done in-house as promised originally.

also i'm sure the D5 vendors will be able to back fill the lost DL work in seconds with more A5 contracts. That is the money maker for the V2500 MROs. None of them really want to touch the A1 or D5 anymore.
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:13 am

Another interesting tidbit: the main cabin seats on the MD-90 and 717 have about five years and then must be replaced as something happened with certification. That can't be super cheap either.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Sun Jun 25, 2017 3:30 am

What a colossal waste for DL to buy up these MD-90s only to retire them after less than 5 years
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Sun Jun 25, 2017 3:44 am

Somebody mentioned that the end of line A321 and 737-900ER were incredibly price competitive.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:03 am

UA444 wrote:
What a colossal waste for DL to buy up these MD-90s only to retire them after less than 5 years


Not necessarily, DL still could have gotten their money's worth out of them (i.e., cheaper to buy and operate than new builds would have been), even if they won't get as much as originally planned. Plus they are buying 737s and A321s at prices they never would have gotten 5 years ago.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:58 pm

MD90 N902DA is currently en-route from ATL>BYH, and, according to skyliner-aviation.de, it's gone there for part-out and scrap.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N902DA
http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb.m ... av4&page=4
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:36 pm

audidudi wrote:
MD90 N902DA is currently en-route from ATL>BYH, and, according to skyliner-aviation.de, it's gone there for part-out and scrap.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N902DA
http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb.m ... av4&page=4


This is odd as I didn't see this ship on the retirement plan.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:07 pm

There is lots of scuttle on the retirement of 9202...

Loose talk in flight ops that the cost for a HMV came in way above budget/expected cost - something to tune of a few to several million. No idea what the issue was. Maybe the previous poster on the engines is correct.

But the retirement of the first MD90 was not communicated in any fleet plan.

There's also this. The handful of MD-90's Delta bought a few years back to part out have been eaten dry. With the greater emphasis on Delta Material Services LLC and using used parts to fund the flight operations, the decision may have been simply the need for a buzzard plane.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Sun Jun 25, 2017 11:47 pm

UA444 wrote:
What a colossal waste for DL to buy up these MD-90s only to retire them after less than 5 years


Not at all they were bought as a stop gap and to add some lift cheaper than a new plane. The cost of acquisition and refurbishment has been more than paid off by now and they will continue to fly for some time as the fleet is drawn down and the new 739s and 321s are delivered.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:13 am

Delta did not waste its money buying used MD-90s. They largely replaced capacity that was previously occupied by NW's DC-9s until Delta brought in the 717s. The alternative was purchasing brand new 737-800s which was considered too much for what Delta needed. It'd be curious to see how much Delta is paying for their final 40 A321s they ordered this year and 10 737-900ERs options they exercised, which is almost the same capacity as the 65 MD-90s. Its well known Delta is paying a little less than they should with the CSeries aircraft. Imagine what Delta will end up paying for the aircraft that will replace their remaining 757s. Delta has repeatedly shown they care first and foremost about pricing. Its how they've been able to invest in their fleet without having to go deep into debt unlike AA or shrink as UA did domestically until recently.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:49 am

UA444 wrote:
What a colossal waste for DL to buy up these MD-90s only to retire them after less than 5 years

If there was no other way for DL to have the capacity level they've had these years with the extra MD-90s, then it's probably still been a decent purchase. They've brought in a lot of revenue for the last 5+ years, and it might make up for the extra cost.

But if there was any way to maintain capacity levels without the MD-90s on the property (by buying new planes, not retiring as many other mainline aircraft, and/or keeping more regional operations) - which seems more likely - then yes, it's probably been a very poor financial decision. The money they've spent on the MD-90s would have gone a significant way towards new aircraft that would have been more economical and that would still have 20+ years of life left on the clock.

And what's sad is that it didn't take a rocket scientist to guess that this early retirement scenario would happen. It had all the ingredients for it. Makes you wonder what kinda of "talent" is running DL's fleet planning department.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:34 pm

They bought N902DA in 1995. It's not like they bought this plane and immediately retired it.

Incidentally, my partner was on N819DX this morning. New bins, IFE, etc. Her flight was originally a 763, but was swapped yesterday morning to the 75P, which oddly enough showed as simply "W7C" on the Fly Delta app as aircraft type, no mention of Boeing or 757.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:32 pm

MSPNWA wrote:
UA444 wrote:
What a colossal waste for DL to buy up these MD-90s only to retire them after less than 5 years

If there was no other way for DL to have the capacity level they've had these years with the extra MD-90s, then it's probably still been a decent purchase. They've brought in a lot of revenue for the last 5+ years, and it might make up for the extra cost.

But if there was any way to maintain capacity levels without the MD-90s on the property (by buying new planes, not retiring as many other mainline aircraft, and/or keeping more regional operations) - which seems more likely - then yes, it's probably been a very poor financial decision. The money they've spent on the MD-90s would have gone a significant way towards new aircraft that would have been more economical and that would still have 20+ years of life left on the clock.

And what's sad is that it didn't take a rocket scientist to guess that this early retirement scenario would happen. It had all the ingredients for it. Makes you wonder what kinda of "talent" is running DL's fleet planning department.


The same talent that kept NW's DC-9s on property for all those years?
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:52 pm

The numbers being thrown around in the past in the circa - 2011/2012 timeframe was that DL was buying 2nd hand MD-90s in the range of $5-9M and putting $1-3M in modifications, overalls, and cabin refurbishments to bring them up to DL standards.

DL has a lot of "variable" capacity in its fleet that it can park or keep flying based on market conditions which includes capacity, fuel, maintenance costs, and parts availability.
This includes much of the A320 fleet, the 757s, MD-88s, and MD-90s.

If the overhaul costs are indeed close to what is being said here on a.net, then it may make perfect sense to start parking MD-90s as they come up for overhaul and keep more of the other fleet types that have either more time left until overhauls or cheaper overhauls.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:05 am

UA444 wrote:
What a colossal waste for DL to buy up these MD-90s only to retire them after less than 5 years

How was it a waste?

DL got ~3 MD90s for the price of one new 737 and the low cost mods have had more than enough time to get their ROI. On top of that the short gap fill gave DL a chance to clean up the balance sheet and not spend a ton of CAPEX on new airplanes.

oh and kick the can down the road to the point that they have been able to wait for Boeing and Airbus to give away end of the line NGs and CEOs to bridge into new production aircraft.

Seems less like a waste and a damn good idea to me. If DL really wanted to keep them, I'm sure a deal with IAE could be made just like one was made with Rolls over the BR715 overhaul cost and TBO/TAT/Reliability issues. At the time DL made the deal, the OEMs weren't nearly as willing to make deals on end of the line frames like they are now.



Also, FWIW it doesn't sound like the number of ex GOL 737s is going to grow much. At one point it was looking like as many as 30 may have been coming. I'm betting on a 738MAX order sometime this year.
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:21 am

deltal1011man wrote:
UA444 wrote:
What a colossal waste for DL to buy up these MD-90s only to retire them after less than 5 years

How was it a waste?

DL got ~3 MD90s for the price of one new 737 and the low cost mods have had more than enough time to get their ROI. On top of that the short gap fill gave DL a chance to clean up the balance sheet and not spend a ton of CAPEX on new airplanes.

oh and kick the can down the road to the point that they have been able to wait for Boeing and Airbus to give away end of the line NGs and CEOs to bridge into new production aircraft.

Seems less like a waste and a damn good idea to me. If DL really wanted to keep them, I'm sure a deal with IAE could be made just like one was made with Rolls over the BR715 overhaul cost and TBO/TAT/Reliability issues. At the time DL made the deal, the OEMs weren't nearly as willing to make deals on end of the line frames like they are now.



Also, FWIW it doesn't sound like the number of ex GOL 737s is going to grow much. At one point it was looking like as many as 30 may have been coming. I'm betting on a 738MAX order sometime this year.


Interesting re: GOL. The Brazilian market has improved markedly, so I assume that impacted the decision. Any insight on why the 738MAX? (I'd prefer the MAX to neo, but I'm curious).
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:28 am

Again the wildcard on this MD-90 "retirement" is that whether its needed to cannibalize as a "parts plane" or if indeed the overhaul costs are too high to justify the ROI for another HMV cycle. Pulling down 65 aircraft is no small project....
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:30 am

A question I asked somewhere was, how did the DC-9 spare/service parts & MRO supply chain not deteriorate in its later years like we are seeing with the MD-80s and now the MD-90s that are decades younger?
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:51 am

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Again the wildcard on this MD-90 "retirement" is that whether its needed to cannibalize as a "parts plane" or if indeed the overhaul costs are too high to justify the ROI for another HMV cycle. Pulling down 65 aircraft is no small project....


All indications I've seen is that the one that went to BYH is parked for "engine removal". The one that's getting retired permanently in December will start to help with spares.

I'm with L1011man and agree that a Max order is coming down the pipe, I'll even throw in a few 787s to boot.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:46 am

777Mech wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Again the wildcard on this MD-90 "retirement" is that whether its needed to cannibalize as a "parts plane" or if indeed the overhaul costs are too high to justify the ROI for another HMV cycle. Pulling down 65 aircraft is no small project....


All indications I've seen is that the one that went to BYH is parked for "engine removal". The one that's getting retired permanently in December will start to help with spares.

I'm with L1011man and agree that a Max order is coming down the pipe, I'll even throw in a few 787s to boot.

also wouldn't shock me.

Will be curious to see if DL goes Trent or GE on future 787. I personally hope for a GEnX shop along with the Trent 1000/7000/XWB but my money is the deal with Rolls wouldn't allow it.

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
A question I asked somewhere was, how did the DC-9 spare/service parts & MRO supply chain not deteriorate in its later years like we are seeing with the MD-80s and now the MD-90s that are decades younger?

JT8D parts, granted for 200 series, were still being produced in big blocks which didn't drive the little JT8s parts cost up. Also the worlds DC9 and 727 and 732 fleets were getting parked so the used market was flooded with viable spares. DL bought up most of the MD80 worlds spares already.
jbs2886 wrote:
deltal1011man wrote:
UA444 wrote:
What a colossal waste for DL to buy up these MD-90s only to retire them after less than 5 years

How was it a waste?

DL got ~3 MD90s for the price of one new 737 and the low cost mods have had more than enough time to get their ROI. On top of that the short gap fill gave DL a chance to clean up the balance sheet and not spend a ton of CAPEX on new airplanes.

oh and kick the can down the road to the point that they have been able to wait for Boeing and Airbus to give away end of the line NGs and CEOs to bridge into new production aircraft.

Seems less like a waste and a damn good idea to me. If DL really wanted to keep them, I'm sure a deal with IAE could be made just like one was made with Rolls over the BR715 overhaul cost and TBO/TAT/Reliability issues. At the time DL made the deal, the OEMs weren't nearly as willing to make deals on end of the line frames like they are now.



Also, FWIW it doesn't sound like the number of ex GOL 737s is going to grow much. At one point it was looking like as many as 30 may have been coming. I'm betting on a 738MAX order sometime this year.


Interesting re: GOL. The Brazilian market has improved markedly, so I assume that impacted the decision. Any insight on why the 738MAX? (I'd prefer the MAX to neo, but I'm curious).

DL likes the MAX8. It has been mentioned for a few years. Plus now that so many 160 seats are getting parked and not nearly as many used frames coming in as expected the 321NEO (which will also happen, btw) is a bit too big for DL's needs. They have plenty of those sized airframes coming in with the 739/321 orders.
The original idea was to park the MD88 and back fill with 320/MD90/738 and upgrade some of those flights to the new 321/739. Now with so many MD88, 320s and MD90s getting parked I think DL will order some 738MAX for some of that work.

but if Airbus offers a good deal, don't be shocked for it to happen. Going to be interesting with Airbus how hard CFM tries to win that order.... (IMO its Pratts to lose)

Also expecting DL to keep its very close relationship with CFM and open up a LEAP shop in-house.
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:50 pm

deltal1011man wrote:
777Mech wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Again the wildcard on this MD-90 "retirement" is that whether its needed to cannibalize as a "parts plane" or if indeed the overhaul costs are too high to justify the ROI for another HMV cycle. Pulling down 65 aircraft is no small project....


All indications I've seen is that the one that went to BYH is parked for "engine removal". The one that's getting retired permanently in December will start to help with spares.

I'm with L1011man and agree that a Max order is coming down the pipe, I'll even throw in a few 787s to boot.

also wouldn't shock me.

Will be curious to see if DL goes Trent or GE on future 787. I personally hope for a GEnX shop along with the Trent 1000/7000/XWB but my money is the deal with Rolls wouldn't allow it.

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
A question I asked somewhere was, how did the DC-9 spare/service parts & MRO supply chain not deteriorate in its later years like we are seeing with the MD-80s and now the MD-90s that are decades younger?

JT8D parts, granted for 200 series, were still being produced in big blocks which didn't drive the little JT8s parts cost up. Also the worlds DC9 and 727 and 732 fleets were getting parked so the used market was flooded with viable spares. DL bought up most of the MD80 worlds spares already.
jbs2886 wrote:
deltal1011man wrote:
How was it a waste?

DL got ~3 MD90s for the price of one new 737 and the low cost mods have had more than enough time to get their ROI. On top of that the short gap fill gave DL a chance to clean up the balance sheet and not spend a ton of CAPEX on new airplanes.

oh and kick the can down the road to the point that they have been able to wait for Boeing and Airbus to give away end of the line NGs and CEOs to bridge into new production aircraft.

Seems less like a waste and a damn good idea to me. If DL really wanted to keep them, I'm sure a deal with IAE could be made just like one was made with Rolls over the BR715 overhaul cost and TBO/TAT/Reliability issues. At the time DL made the deal, the OEMs weren't nearly as willing to make deals on end of the line frames like they are now.



Also, FWIW it doesn't sound like the number of ex GOL 737s is going to grow much. At one point it was looking like as many as 30 may have been coming. I'm betting on a 738MAX order sometime this year.


Interesting re: GOL. The Brazilian market has improved markedly, so I assume that impacted the decision. Any insight on why the 738MAX? (I'd prefer the MAX to neo, but I'm curious).

DL likes the MAX8. It has been mentioned for a few years. Plus now that so many 160 seats are getting parked and not nearly as many used frames coming in as expected the 321NEO (which will also happen, btw) is a bit too big for DL's needs. They have plenty of those sized airframes coming in with the 739/321 orders.
The original idea was to park the MD88 and back fill with 320/MD90/738 and upgrade some of those flights to the new 321/739. Now with so many MD88, 320s and MD90s getting parked I think DL will order some 738MAX for some of that work.

but if Airbus offers a good deal, don't be shocked for it to happen. Going to be interesting with Airbus how hard CFM tries to win that order.... (IMO its Pratts to lose)

Also expecting DL to keep its very close relationship with CFM and open up a LEAP shop in-house.


I'd prefer the MAX8 and MAX10. Fingers crossed
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:38 pm

deltal1011man wrote:
DL got ~3 MD90s for the price of one new 737 and the low cost mods have had more than enough time to get their ROI. On top of that the short gap fill gave DL a chance to clean up the balance sheet and not spend a ton of CAPEX on new airplanes.


Except that DL wasn't in such destitute state that it didn't have any other options; if DL does indeed retire the MD-90 within 5 years, their ROI would be poor compared to those other options, given the total program cost weighted against their service life.

oh and kick the can down the road to the point that they have been able to wait for Boeing and Airbus to give away end of the line NGs and CEOs to bridge into new production aircraft.


Give away? Most analysts agree DL got the 321 at a 60% discount, vs. a 50% average industry discount for large, bulk orders. At 2016 list prices, that equates to about $1.4B savings across 122 jets. We don't know exactly what DL paid for each MD-90 and estimated averages have varied between $8M-$12M -- in early 2010s dollars -- including acquisition price, product & maintenance overhaul. Toss in the cost of parts stockpiling (likely over $100M, given the number of donor planes), maintenance (labor), warehousing & storage costs (it isn't cheap to park parts donor), training & compliance programs, etc. and you can quickly see why the ROI will deteriorate if DL does indeed retire the aircraft with 5 years. Especially given the higher maintenance costs and poorer economics associated with the MD-90 (which DL was aware of when they acquired them). Not to mention, new build 738 or 320 would've had a much higher dispatch rate than the MD-90, enabling DL to operate the same schedule with fewer aircraft.

Arguably, the poor economics of keeping the MD-90 around caused DL to purchase more late-model 737NG & 320CEO than it would've liked. And it's also possible the late-model NG & CEO will have shorter service lives than had they been acquired in the 2010s.

Seems less like a waste and a damn good idea to me. If DL really wanted to keep them, I'm sure a deal with IAE could be made just like one was made with Rolls over the BR715 overhaul cost and TBO/TAT/Reliability issues. At the time DL made the deal, the OEMs weren't nearly as willing to make deals on end of the line frames like they are now.


As I mentioned above, it isn't like DL went shopping at the clearance section of Airbus and got the 321 for 90% off + $1B in Airbus Cash to use toward future purchases; the discount is fairly modest. DL certainly didn't acquire these aircraft with the intention of a less than 10-years service life. It's far more likely that the deteriorating economics of the MD-90 forced DL to seek alternate options, hence the orders for late model NG & CEO. And if the solution was as easy as striking a deal with IAE to keep cost down, then DL would've done it.

We've discussed previously that the availability and cost of parts (DL is paying a premium for the few remaining parts in production) was a major challenge for DL; a challenge you denied existed, leading you to launch a series of personal attacks on me while maintaining the MD-90 would be around 10+ years.

I'm betting on a 738MAX order sometime this year.


If DL does order the MAX or NEO this year, it'll most likely be the largest variant. DL can't grow at ATL during peak hours without upgauging equipment, and most smaller/midsized communities currently served today with "midsized" equipment are better candidates for the CS100/300 series (based on historical loads).
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Wed Jun 28, 2017 1:10 pm

3227 set to RTS from DTW. Should have 2Ku.
3021 exited MSP to ATL yesterday. Expect it to enter revenue service soon. Should also have 2Ku.
3116 possible exit today - seeing DL9931 on FR24 as SAL-DTW (DL.com shows it as a 319).
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:31 pm

n515cr wrote:
3227 set to RTS from DTW. Should have 2Ku.
3021 exited MSP to ATL yesterday. Expect it to enter revenue service soon. Should also have 2Ku.
3116 possible exit today - seeing DL9931 on FR24 as SAL-DTW (DL.com shows it as a 319).

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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:50 pm

n515cr wrote:
3116 possible exit today - seeing DL9931 on FR24 as SAL-DTW (DL.com shows it as a 319).


3116 in the air: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n316nb. 319 reconfigs are complete.
13 319s have yet to get 2Ku.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:08 pm

n515cr wrote:
n515cr wrote:
3116 possible exit today - seeing DL9931 on FR24 as SAL-DTW (DL.com shows it as a 319).


3116 in the air: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n316nb. 319 reconfigs are complete.
13 319s have yet to get 2Ku.

It took just under a month less than two years to complete all the 57 A319s reconfigs. The first one completed was 3171, N371NB, on July 23rd 2015.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:14 pm

6302 just returned to DTW, I'm watching it taxi by as I type. Any ideas what the issue was?
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:12 am

flymco753 wrote:
6302 just returned to DTW, I'm watching it taxi by as I type. Any ideas what the issue was?


I believe it was a compressor stall in the #4 engine on climbout.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:26 pm

777Mech wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
6302 just returned to DTW, I'm watching it taxi by as I type. Any ideas what the issue was?


I believe it was a compressor stall in the #4 engine on climbout.

I bet DL isn't too keen on swapping in a new engine with retirement of the 744s so close.
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:59 pm

Adipasquale wrote:
777Mech wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
6302 just returned to DTW, I'm watching it taxi by as I type. Any ideas what the issue was?


I believe it was a compressor stall in the #4 engine on climbout.

I bet DL isn't too keen on swapping in a new engine with retirement of the 744s so close.
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:25 am

DeltaMD95 wrote:
Why retire a 20-year-old MD-90 that's nowhere near its useful life limits and when the V2500s are still in production? It really amazes me how far they have abandoned the high ROI/low capex strategy that allowed the airline to be successful this past decade. Such a disappointment.


Because you got a more capacious, much cheaper to maintain, not much more expensive to fly A321ceo dirt cheap, and the ROI of purchasing the A321 was better than that of keeping the MD-90 in service.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Sat Jul 01, 2017 3:52 pm

The first A321 delivered, N301DN, has been re-registered as N301DV in memory of Capt. Dave Vorgias. He was one of the flight crew who flew this aircraft from XFW>KEF>YYR>MSP on it's delivery flight on March 16th 2016.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Sat Jul 01, 2017 4:44 pm

3022 is in service and should also have 2Ku. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n322dn
3805 should exit DTW tomorrow with 2Ku.

*******************************************************************************************
Delta Narrowbody Status 1 July 2017

757 Status
757-300: Complete
75E -> 75S: Complete
75A/75M -> 75H: Complete
Ex-Shanghai -> 75G: Complete
757/75X -> 75C (F72): Complete
757/75X/75M -> 75D: In progress
75G -> 75P: In progress

Current configurations:
757 – F24W20Y136 (PMDL, standard domestic 757, overhead TVs, WiFi)
75S – C16W44Y108 (PMDL, International/JFK-CA, flatbeds in C, Satellite WiFi, PTVs)
75D – F20W29Y150 (AVOD/Sat TV, ISP, WiFi, new lavs/galleys/bins/PSUs/LED lighting)
75H – F20W29Y150 (AVOD/Sat TV, ISP, Satellite WiFi, new lavs/galleys/bins/PSUs/LED lighting, ETOPS)
75G – F20W21Y128 (WiFi, winglets, new lavs, ETOPS, old bins, no IFE/ISP)
75P – F20W41Y132 (WiFi, winglets, new lavs, ETOPS, no IFE/ISP, old bins?)
75C – F72 (NBA/Charter configuration)

Previous configurations:
75E – C16W25Y130 (PMDL, International/JFK-CA, recliners in C, WiFi, PTVs) – all converted to 75S
75X – F26W26Y132 (PMDL, ex-Song, has AVOD/Sat TV, WiFi) – all retired or converted to 75D
75A – F24W18Y132 (PMNW, “Interport”, overhead TVs, no WiFi) – all converted to 75H
75M – F22W18Y141 (PMNW, WiFi) – all converted to 75D (5650-5657) or 75H (5639-5643, 5648-5649)
75N – F22W19Y141 (PMNW, WiFi) – all retired
75V – F22W21Y132 (PMDL, ex-ATA/SQ, primarily on Hawaii routes – some lower 48, overhead TVs, WiFi) – all retired



757-300 - COMPLETE
753 (F24W26Y184): 16
N581NW 5801 (wingtip mod finished Jan 26, 2014, entered Jan 31, 2015; finished Feb 26, 2015)
N582NW 5802 (entered Nov 30, 2013; finished Mar 1, 2014)
N583NW 5803 (wingtip mod finished Mar 1, 2014, entered Feb 26, 2015; finished Mar 25, 2015)
N584NW 5804 (entered Mar 4, 2014; finished Apr 17, 2014)
N585NW 5805 (entered Mar 18, 2014; finished Apr 30, 2014)
N586NW 5806 (entered May 3, 2014; finished Jun 13, 2014)
N587NW 5807 (entered Apr 19, 2014; finished Jun 2, 2014)
N588NW 5808 (entered Sep 04, 2014; finished Oct 11, 2014)
N589NW 5809 (entered Aug 18, 2014; finished Sep 30, 2014)
N590NW 5810 (entered Sep 29, 2014; finished Nov 6, 2014)
N591NW 5811 (entered Oct 14, 2014; finished Nov 23, 2014)
N592NW 5812 (entered Nov 29, 2014, finished Jan 11, 2015)
N593NW 5813 (entered Dec 18, 2014; finished Jan 26, 2015)
N594NW 5814 (entered Jan 12, 2015; finished Feb 22, 2015)
N595NW 5815 (entered Nov 8, 2014; finished Dec 16, 2014)
N596NW 5816 (entered Feb 26, 2015; finished Apr 7, 2015)


757-200 Converted: 100/111
75H (F20W29Y150): 15/15
N535US 5635 (entered Jan 4, 2015; finished Apr 9, 2015) – IND
N536US 5636 (entered Jan 16, 2016; finished Feb 25, 2016) – IND
N537US 5637 (entered Apr 8, 2015; finished Jun 1, 2015) – IND
N538US 5638 (entered Feb 3, 2016; finished Mar 15, 2016) – IND
N539US 5639 (entered Mar 12, 2015; finished May 7, 2015) – IND
N540US 5640 (entered Sep 7, 2015; finished Oct 20, 2015) – IND
N541US 5641 (entered Jan 31, 2016; finished Mar 9, 2016) – ATL
N542US 5642 (entered Aug 25, 2015; finished Oct 6, 2015) – IND
N543US 5643 (entered Aug 17, 2015; finished Oct 16, 2015) – ATL
N544US 5644 (entered Mar 18, 2016; finished May 1, 2016) – IND
N545US 5645 (entered Oct 20, 2015; finished Dec 2, 2015) – IND
N546US 5646 (entered Feb 28, 2016; finished Apr 6, 2016) – IND
N547US 5647 (entered Dec 2, 2015; finished Jan 15, 2016) – IND
N548US 5648 (entered Sep 1, 2014; finished Nov 18, 2014) – IND
N549US 5649 (entered Dec 14, 2015; finished Jan 29, 2016) – ATL

75D (F20W29Y150): 55/62
N670DN 670 (entered Dec 6, 2016; finished Jan 22, 2017) – MSP, no winglets
N671DN 671 (entered Nov 21, 2016; finished Jan 5, 2017) – IND, no winglets
N672DL 672 (entered Jan 24, 2017; finished Mar 23, 2017) – IND
N673DL 673 (entered Feb 16, 2017; finished Mar 28, 2017) – IND, no winglets
N674DL 674 (entered Jan 24, 2017; finished Mar 1, 2017) – MSP, no winglets
N675DL 675 (entered Mar 4, 2017; finished Apr 9, 2017) – MSP, no winglets
N676DL 676 (entered Apr 4, 2017; finished May 30, 2017) – IND, no winglets
N678DL 678 (entered Feb 26, 2017; finished May 18, 2017) – IND, no winglets
N679DA 679 (entered Apr 11, 2017; finished May 17, 2017) – IND, no winglets
N680DA 680 (entered Sep 6, 2015; finished Oct 30, 2016) – IND, no winglets
N681DA 681 (entered Jan 5, 2017; finished Feb 15, 2017) – IND, no winglets
N682DA 682 (entered Apr 11, 2017; finished May 23, 2017) – IND, no winglets
N683DA 683 (entered Apr 15, 2017; finished May 31, 2017) – IND, no winglets
N684DA 684 (entered Dec 6, 2016; finished Jan 24, 2017) – IND, no winglets
N685DA 685 (entered Dec 2, 2014; finished Mar 30, 2015) – IND
N686DA 686 (entered Mar 14, 2016; finished May 25, 2016) – SAT
N687DL 687 (entered Dec 17, 2015; finished Jan 27, 2016) – CWF
N688DL 688 (entered Sep 14, 2015; finished Nov 2, 2015) – CWF
N689DL 689 (entered Jan 27, 2016; finished Mar 4, 2016) – CWF
N690DL 690 (entered Dec 16, 2015; finished Feb 6, 2016) – SAT
N900PC 691 (entered Mar 30, 2016; finished Jun 10, 2016) – SAT
N692DL 692 (entered Nov 2, 2015; finished Dec 17, 2015) – CWF
N693DL 693 (entered May 12, 2015; finished Jun 30, 2015) – ATL
N694DL 694 (entered May 6, 2015, finished Jun 18, 2015) – IND
N695DL 695 (entered Sep 1, 2015; finished Oct 21, 2015) – CWF
N696DL 696 (entered Dec 26, 2015; finished Feb 8, 2016) – ATL
N697DL 697 (entered Dec 28, 2015; finished Feb 16, 2016) – SAT, no winglets
N698DL 698 (entered Feb 13, 2016; finished Mar 30, 2016) – SAT, no winglets
N699DL 699 (entered Feb 22, 2016; finished Apr 6, 2016) – CWF
N550NW 5650 (entered Dec 23, 2015; finished Feb 3, 2016) – IND
N551NW 5651 (entered Nov 12, 2015; finished Dec 22, 2015) – IND
N552NW 5652 (entered May 1, 2016; finished Jun 14, 2016) – ATL
N553NW 5653 (entered Mar 15, 2016; finished Apr 28, 2016) – ATL
N554NW 5654 (entered Mar 27, 2016; finished May 13, 2016) – ATL
N555NW 5655 (entered Oct 21, 2015; finished Dec 5, 2015) – ATL
N556NW 5656 (entered Oct 5, 2015; finished Nov 12, 2015) – IND
N557NW 5657 (entered Jul 22, 2015; finished Aug 25, 2015) – IND
N6700 6700 (entered Apr 3, 2016; finished May 12, 2016) – CWF
N6701 6701 (entered Feb 9, 2016; finished Mar 23, 2016) – ATL
N6702 6702 (entered Mar 4, 2016; finished Apr 13, 2016) – CWF
N6703D 6703 (entered Sep 15, 2015; finished Nov 3, 2015) – SAT
N6704Z 6704 (entered Sep 1, 2015; finished Oct 22, 2015) – SAT
N6705Y 6705 (entered Nov 3, 2015; finished Dec 17, 2015) – SAT
N6706Q 6706 (entered Oct 22, 2015; finished Dec 4, 2015) – SAT
N6707A 6707 (entered Dec 3, 2015; finished Jan 18, 2016) – SAT
N6708D 6708 (entered Nov 15, 2015; finished Dec 28, 2015) – SAT
N6709 6709 (entered Jan 18, 2016; finished Mar 3, 2016) – SAT
N6710E 6710 (entered Jun 18, 2015; finished Jul 22, 2015) – IND
N6711M 6711 (entered Sep 4, 2015; finished Nov 2, 2015) – ATL
N6712B 6712 (entered Jun 30, 2015; finished Aug 7, 2015) – ATL
N6713Y 6713 (entered Oct 21, 2015; finished Dec 3, 2015) – CWF
N6714Q 6714 (entered Sep 30, 2015; finished Nov 15, 2015) – SAT
N6715C 6715 (entered Dec 3, 2015; finished Jan 14, 2016) – CWF
N6716C 6716 (entered Nov 3, 2015; finished Dec 23, 2015) – ATL, no winglets
N67171 6717 (entered Jan 14, 2016; finished Feb 22, 2016) – CWF

75S (C16W44Y108): 18/18
N702TW 6801 (entered Mar 14, 2015; finished Apr 16, 2015)
N703TW 6802 (entered Feb 9, 2015; finished Mar 12, 2015)
N704X 6803 (entered Feb 14, 2015; finished Mar 19, 2015)
N706TW 6804 (entered Sep 30, 2014; finished Nov 18, 2014)
N707TW 6805 (entered Jan 31, 2015; finished Mar 18, 2015)
N709TW 6806 (entered Dec 16, 2014; finished Feb 2, 2015)
N710TW 6807 (entered Apr 17, 2015; finished May 27, 2015)
N712TW 6808 (entered Oct 31, 2014; finished Dec 14, 2014)
N713TW 6809 (entered Mar 19, 2015; finished Apr 27, 2015)
N721TW 6810 (entered early 2014; finished Apr 19, 2014)
N705TW 6811 (entered Dec 28, 2014; finished Jan 26, 2015)
N717TW 6812 (entered Sep 15, 2014; finished Oct 29, 2014)
N727TW 6813 (entered Mar 19, 2015; finished Apr 19, 2015)
N711ZX 6814 (entered Apr 28, 2015; finished Jun 8, 2015)
N718TW 6815 (entered Apr 5, 2014; finished May 29, 2014)
N722TW 6816 (entered Nov 21, 2014; finished Dec 21, 2014)
N723TW 6817 (entered Jan 12, 2015; finished Feb 12, 2015)
N624AG 6818 (entered Apr 30, 2014; finished Jun 12, 2014)
*ships 6801-6818 received mods in VQQ

75P: 1/5
N819DX 6819 (entered Feb 14, 2017; finished Jun 13, 2017) – VQQ

75C (F72): 11/11
N649DL 649 (entered Mar 16, 2016; finished May 23, 2016)
N650DL 650 (entered Sep 12, 2015; finished Dec 13, 2015)
N651DL 651 (entered Jan 3, 2016; finished Apr 3, 2016)
N652DL 652 (entered Nov 22, 2015; finished Mar 2, 2016)
N654DL 654 (entered Jun 12, 2016; finished Sep 8, 2016)
N655DL 655 (entered Jul 16, 2016; finished Oct 6, 2016)
N661DN 661 (entered May 28, 2016; finished Aug 11, 2016)
N662DN 662 (entered Aug 19, 2016; finished Nov 4, 2016)
N663DN 663 (entered Feb 14, 2016; finished May 29, 2016)
N664DN 664 (entered Apr 25, 2016; finished Jul 19, 2016)
N666DN 666 (entered Mar 6, 2016; finished Jun 29, 2016)

752s to be converted: 11
757 (F24W20Y136): 7 (2 in mod)
N658DL 658 IND Mx visit 1/30/17-3/28/17
N659DL 659 SAL Mx visit 1/3/17-2/19/17
N660DL 660 SAL Mx visit 2/14/17-4/4/17
N665DN 665 (entered May 1, 2017; est. exit Jul 14, 2017) – VQQ
N667DN 667 IND Mx visit 3/1/17-5/27/17
N668DN 668 no winglets
N669DN 669 (entered Jun 26, 2017; est. exit Aug 20, 2017) – IND

75G (F20W21Y128): 4 (0 in mod)
N820DX 6820
N821DX 6821
N822DX 6822
N823DX 6823
*75Gs to receive a 75D/H-like cabin. Mods should run through 2018.
*Mods taking place at VQQ.


Active 752s expected to exit the fleet
757 (F24W20Y136): 2
N633DL 633 2018
N635DL 635 Nov 2017


Out-of-Service 752s: 71
757 (F24W20Y136): 29
N601DL 601 Scrapped @ GWO 2008
N602DL 602 Stored @ MZJ 2013
N604DL 604 Stored @ MZJ 2013
N606DL 606 Scrapped @ VCV 2009
N607DL 607 Scrapped @ VCV 2009
N608DA 608 Preserved @ Delta Museum in Widget Livery
N611DL 611 Scrapped @ VCV 2009
N612DL 612 Stored @ BYH 2016
N613DL 613 Stored @ BYH 2014
N616DL 616 Stored @ MZJ 2015
N617DL 617 Stored @ MZJ 2016
N618DL 618 Stored @ MZJ 2016
N623DL 623 Stored @ SBD 2017
N625DL 625 Stored @ MZJ 2011
N626DL 626 Stored @ MZJ 2011
N627DL 627 Stored @ BYH 2017
N628DL 628 Stored @ MZJ 2012
N629DL 629 Stored @ MZJ 2012
N630DL 630 Stored @ MZJ 2012
N631DL 631 Stored @ MZJ 2012
N632DL 632 Stored @ MZJ 2012
N634DL 634 Stored @ MZJ 2013
N636DL 636 Scrapped @ MCI 2014
N637DL 637 Scrapped @ MCI 2014
N646DL 646 Stored @ MZJ 2014
N653DL 653 Stored @ MZJ 2014
N656DL 656 Stored @ MZJ 2011
N657DL 657 Stored @ MZJ 2012
N677DL 677 Stored @ MZJ 2011

75N (F22W19Y141): 22
N501US 5501 Stored @ MZJ 2014
N502US 5502 Stored @ MZJ 2012
N503US 5503 Stored @ MZJ 2013
N507US 5507 Stored @ BYH 2013
N516US 5516 Stored @ MZJ 2010
N517US 5517 Stored @ MZJ 2010
N518US 5518 Stored @ MZJ 2010
N519US 5519 Stored @ BYH 2015
N520US 5520 Stored @ MZJ 2010
N521US 5521 Stored @ MZJ 2014
N522US 5522 Stored @ MZJ 2015
N523US 5523 Scrapped @ MZJ 2015
N525US 5525 Stored @ MZJ 2015
N526US 5526 Stored @ MZJ 2010
N527US 5527 Stored @ MZJ 2011
N528US 5528 Stored @ MZJ 2011
N529US 5529 Scrapped @ MZJ 2015
N530US 5530 Stored @ GWO 2015
N531US 5531 Stored @ MZJ 2014
N532US 5532 Stored @ GWO 2015
N533US 5533 Stored @ BYH 2015
N534US 5534 Scrapped @ BYH 2015

75X (F26W26Y132): 16
N603DL 603 Stored @ MZJ 2014
N609DL 609 Stored @ MZJ 2014
N610DL 610 Stored @ MZJ 2014
N614DL 614 Stored @ BYH 2014
N615DL 615 Stored @ BYH 2014
N624DL 624 Scrapped @ MZJ 2015
N638DL 638 Scrapped @ APG 2014
N639DL 639 Stored @ BYH 2013
N640DL 640 Stored @ BYH 2013
N641DL 641 Stored @ BYH 2013
N642DL 642 Stored @ BYH 2013
N643DL 643 Stored @ BYH 2014
N644DL 644 Stored @ BYH 2014
N645DL 645 Stored @ BYH 2013
N647DL 647 Stored @ BYH 2013
N648DL 648 Stored @ MZJ 2014

75V (F22W21Y132): 4
N751AT 6901 Scrapped @ BYH 2016
N750AT 6902 Scrapped @ BYH 2016
N757AT 6903 Scrapped @ BYH 2015
N752AT 6904 Scrapped @ BYH 2016


737 Status
73W – LED mood lighting, soft bulkhead between Y and F
738 – AVOD, updated lavs, and LED cabin lighting, 2Ku
739 – scimitar winglets, Sat TV, 2Ku eventually

73W Cabin Refresh
Completed: 7/10
N301DQ 3601 (entered Jan 25, 2017; finished Feb 17, 2017) – SAL
N302DQ 3602 (entered Jan 2, 2017; finished Jan 24, 2017) – IND
N303DQ 3603 (entered Feb 17, 2017; finished Mar 13, 2017) – SAL
N304DQ 3604 (entered Mar 13, 2017; finished Apr 5, 2017)
N305DQ 3605 (entered Dec 16, 2016; finished Dec 31, 2016) – ATL
N306DQ 3606 (entered Mar 19, 2017; finished Mar 29, 2017)
N307DQ 3607 (entered Jan 1, 2017; finished Jan 14, 2017) – ATL

Aircraft to receive mod: 3 (+0 in Mod)
N308DE 3608
N309DE 3609
N310DE 3610


737-800 Mods
738: 43/43, 38/43 have 2Ku.
N371DA 3701 (entered Jul 1, 2016; finished Aug 7, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N372DA 3702 (entered Aug 13, 2016; finished Sep 18, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N373DA 3703 (entered Sep 18, 2016; finished Oct 24, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N374DA 3704 (entered Oct 24, 2016; finished Nov 30, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N375DA 3705 (entered Sep 1, 2016; finished Oct 10, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N376DA 3706 (entered Nov 3, 2016; finished Dec 10, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N377DA 3707 (entered Jan 1, 2015; finished Mar 1, 2015). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N378DA 3708 (entered Nov 7, 2015; finished Nov 30, 2015). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N379DA 3709 Entry date unknown; Finished May 20, 2015). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N380DA 3710 (entered May 19, 2015; finished Jun 14, 2015). IND since 6/1, Mx + 2Ku.
N381DN 3711 (entered Jun 13, 2015; finished Jul 10, 2015). IND since 5/31, Mx + 2Ku.
N382DA 3712 (entered Sep 1, 2014; finished Sep 28, 2015). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N383DN 3713 (entered Jul 29, 2015; finished Aug 23, 2015)
N384DA 3714 (entered Aug 22, 2015; finished Sep 17, 2015). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N385DN 3715 (entered Sep 16, 2015; finished Oct 15, 2015). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N386DA 3716 (entered Sep 28, 2015; finished Oct 27, 2015). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N387DA 3717 (entered Oct 13, 2015; finished Nov 8, 2015)
N388DA 3718 (entered Dec 11, 2015; finished Jan 7, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N389DA 3719 (entered Dec 26, 2015; finished Jan 19, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N390DA 3720 (entered Jan 9, 2016; finished Feb 12, 2016)
N391DA 3721 (entered Jan 6, 2016; finished Jan 31, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N392DA 3722 (entered Mar 5, 2016; finished Mar 29, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N393DA 3723 (entered Feb 23, 2016; finished Mar 18, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N394DA 3724 (entered Mar 18, 2016; finished Apr 11, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N395DN 3725 (entered Apr 11, 2016; finished May 5, 2016)
N396DA 3726 (entered Nov 29, 2015; finished Dec 26, 2015). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N397DA 3727 (entered Apr 26, 2016; finished May 21, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N398DA 3728 (entered Apr 5, 2016; finished Apr 26, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N399DA 3729 (entered Mar 15, 2016; finished Apr 15, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3730B 3730 (entered May 8, 2016; finished Jun 2, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3731T 3731 (entered Jul 14, 2016; finished Aug 9, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3732J 3732 (entered Aug 12, 2016; finished Sep 3, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3733Z 3733 (entered Jun 3, 2016; finished Jun 27, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3734B 3734 (entered Sep 29, 2016; finished Oct 24, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3735D 3735 (entered Sep 4, 2016; finished Sep 28, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3736C 3736 (entered Nov 29, 2016; finished Dec 21, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3737C 3737 (entered Dec 11, 2016; finished Jan 8, 2017). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3738B 3738 (entered Jan 4, 2017; finished Jan 26, 2017). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3739P 3739 (entered Oct 10, 2016; finished Nov 3, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3740C 3740 (entered Nov 19, 2015; finished Dec 11, 2015). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3741S 3741 (entered Oct 29, 2015; finished Nov 19, 2015). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3742C 3742 (entered Jul 9, 2015; finished Jul 30, 2015). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3743H 3743 (entered Nov 28, 2016; finished Dec 23, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
*Cabin mods were done at IND, SAL, and ATL.
*2Ku mods are being done in SAL, IND, DTW and ATL.

73H: 29/30 (+0 in mod). 26/30 have 2Ku.
N3744F 3744 (entered Nov 13, 2016; finished Dec 4, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3745B 3745 (entered Dec 5, 2016; finished Dec 22, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3746H 3746 (entered Mar 6, 2017; finished Mar 27, 2017). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3747D 3747 (entered Nov 13, 2016; finished Dec 1, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3748Y 3748 (entered Mar 27, 2017; finished Apr 18, 2017). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3749D 3749 (entered Apr 17, 2017; finished May 6, 2017). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3750D 3750 (entered Apr 19, 2017; finished May 8, 2017). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3751B 3751 (entered May 9, 2017; finished Jun 3, 2017). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3752 3752 (entered Mar 28, 2017; finished Apr 17, 2017). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3753 3753 (entered Mar 6, 2017; finished Mar 27, 2017). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3754A 3754 (entered Dec 20, 2016; finished Jan 9, 2017). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3755D 3755 (entered Jan 8, 2017; finished Feb 2, 2017). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3756 3756 (entered Feb 3, 2017; finished Feb 28, 2017). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3757D 3757 (entered Sep 27, 2016; finished Oct 18, 2015). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3758Y 3758 (entered Oct 24, 2016; finished Nov 10, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3759 3759 (entered Feb 14, 2017; finished Mar 3, 2017). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3760C 3760 (entered Nov 21, 2016; finished Dec 9, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3761R 3761 (entered Dec 9, 2016; finished Dec 31, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3762Y 3762 (entered Sep 9, 2015; finished Oct 23, 2015). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3763D 3763 (entered Jan 28, 2017; finished Feb 14, 2017). Has 2Ku WiFi
N3764D 3764
N3765 3765 (entered Oct 24, 2016; finished Nov 16, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3766 3766 (entered Oct 2, 2016; finished Oct 24, 2015). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3767 3767 (entered Nov 12, 2015; finished Dec 6, 2015)
N3768 3768 (entered Dec 5, 2015; finished Dec 27, 2015). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3769L 3769 (entered Jan 9, 2015; finished Jan 28, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N37700 3770 (entered Jan 31, 2016; finished Feb 18, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3771K 3771 (entered Feb 21, 2016; finished Mar 7, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N3772H 3772 (entered Jun 23, 2016; finished Jul 14, 2016)
N3773D 3773 (entered May 20, 2016; finished Jun 22, 2016)
*Cabin mods done at ATL, SAL, and IND.
*2Ku mods are being done in DTW, SAL, and ATL.

73As (Ex-GOL): 4/4, all have 2Ku.
N774DE – ex-PR-GUW, (entered Apr 7, 2017; finished Jun 21, 2017) – SAL. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N775DE – ex-PR-GXG, (entered Apr 5, 2017; finished Jun 13, 2017) – SAL. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N776DE – ex-PR-GXK, (entered Apr 3, 2017; finished Jun 6, 2017) – SAL. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N377DE – ex-PR-GXO, (entered Feb 15, 2017; finished May 18, 2017) – SAL. Has 2Ku WiFi.
*Interim 73A config has Sky Interior with F16W30Y108, 2Ku, and streaming IFE, but no AVOD/ISP.
*TBD if they'll eventually be 73H or 73H+.

737-900ER Scimitar Upgrades/Sat TV/Induction: 46 complete, 33 awaiting scimitar upgrade, 51 on order (0 in mod)
N801DZ 3801 Has 2Ku WiFi.
N802DN 3802
N803DN 3803
N804DN 3804
N805DN 3805 Has 2Ku WiFi.
N806DN 3806
N807DN 3807
N808DN 3808
N809DN 3809
N810DN 3810
N811DZ 3811
N812DN 3812
N813DN 3813
N814DN 3814
N815DN 3815
N816DN 3816
N817DN 3817
N818DA 3818
N819DN 3819
N820DN 3820
N821DN 3821
N822DN 3822
N823DN 3823
N824DN 3824
N825DN 3825
N826DN 3826
N827DN 3827
N828DN 3828
N829DN 3829
N830DN 3830
N831DN 3831
N832DN 3832
N833DN 3833
N834DN 3834 (entered Feb 26, 2015; finished Mar 12, 2015)
N835DN 3835 (entered Feb 27, 2015; finished Mar 19, 2015)
N836DN 3836 (entered Mar 19, 2015; finished Mar 31, 2015)
N837DN 3837 (entered Mar 25, 2015; finished Apr 10, 2015)
N838DN 3838 (entered Apr 17, 2015; finished May 3, 2015)
N839DN 3839 (entered Apr 22, 2015; finished May 10, 2015)
N840DN 3840 (entered May 16, 2015; finished May 29, 2015)
N841DN 3841 (entered Jun 18, 2015; finished Jul 1, 2015)
N842DN 3842 (entered Jul 15, 2015; finished Aug 1, 2015)
N843DN 3843 (entered Jul 26, 2015; finished Aug 7, 2015)
N844DN 3844 (entered Aug 7, 2015; finished Aug 20, 2015)
N845DN 3845 (entered Aug 27, 2015; finished Sep 6, 2015)
N846DN 3846 (entered Sep 18, 2015; finished Oct 6, 2015)
N847DN 3847 (entered Oct 6, 2015; finished Oct 27, 2015)
N848DN 3848 (entered Nov 19, 2015; finished Dec 4, 2015)
N849DN 3849 (entered Nov 24, 2015; finished Dec 15, 2015)
N850DN 3850 (entered Dec 10, 2015; finished Dec 29, 2015)
N851DN 3851 (entered Jan 19, 2016; finished Feb 3, 2016)
N852DN 3852 (entered Jan 25, 2016; finished Feb 18, 2016)
N853DN 3853 (entered Feb 18, 2016; finished Mar 9, 2016) – first ETOPS 739
N854DN 3854 (entered Feb 26, 2016; finished Mar 15, 2016) ETOPS
N855DN 3855 (entered Mar 15, 2016; finished Apr 1, 2016) ETOPS
N856DN 3856 (entered Mar 30, 2016; finished Apr 16, 2016) ETOPS
N857DZ 3857 (entered Apr 8, 2016; finished Apr 30, 2016) ETOPS
N858DZ 3858 (entered Apr 22, 2016; finished May 13, 2016) ETOPS
N859DN 3859 (entered May 12, 2016; finished May 27, 2016) ETOPS
N860DN 3860 (entered Jun 29, 2016; finished Jul 9, 2016) ETOPS
N861DN 3861 (entered Jul 8, 2016; finished Jul 20, 2016) ETOPS
N862DN 3862 (entered Jul 27, 2016; finished Aug 8, 2016) ETOPS
N863DN 3863 (entered Aug 5, 2016; finished Aug 16, 2016) ETOPS
N864DN 3864 (entered Aug 19, 2016; finished Aug 26, 2016) ETOPS
N865DN 3865 (entered Sep 8, 2016; finished Sep 21, 2016) ETOPS
N866DN 3866 (entered Oct 6, 2016; finished Oct 20, 2016) ETOPS
N867DN 3867 (entered Nov 2, 2016; finished Nov 10, 2016) ETOPS
N868DN 3868 (entered Nov 29, 2016; finished Dec 8, 2016) ETOPS
N869DN 3869 (entered Dec 23, 2016; finished Jan 6, 2017) ETOPS
N870DN 3870 (entered Jan 20, 2017; finished Feb 1, 2017) ETOPS
N871DN 3871 (entered Jan 26, 2017; finished Feb 9, 2017) ETOPS
N872DN 3872 (entered Feb 8, 2017; finished Feb 17, 2017) ETOPS
N873DN 3873 (entered Feb 27, 2016; finished Mar 11, 2017) ETOPS
N874DN 3874 (entered Mar 9, 2016; finished Mar 18, 2017) ETOPS
N875DN 3875 (entered Mar 15, 2016; finished Apr 3, 2017) ETOPS
N876DN 3876 (entered Apr 7, 2016; finished Apr 21, 2017) ETOPS
N877DN 3877 (entered Apr 26, 2016; finished May 10, 2017) ETOPS
N878DN 3878 (entered May 18, 2017; finished Jun 7, 2017) ETOPS
N879DN 3879 (entered Jun 2, 2017; finished Jun 13, 2017) ETOPS
N880DN 3880 On Order
N881DN 3881 On Order
N882DN 3882 On Order
N883DN 3883 On Order
N884DN 3884 On Order
*Mods being done at ATL


Airbus Mods/Induction
A319: F12W18Y96 -> F12W18Y102, AVOD, 2Ku
A320: F12W18Y120 -> P1: F16W18Y126 / P2: F16W18Y123
A321: induction (F20W29Y140)

A319: 57/57 complete. 44/57 have 2Ku.
N301NB 3101 (entered Apr 16, 2016; finished May 31, 2016) – BFM. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N302NB 3102 (entered May 31, 2016; finished Jul 12, 2016) – BFM. Reported having 2Ku.
N314NB 3114 (entered Sep 7, 2016; finished Oct 15, 2016) – BFM. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N315NB 3115 (entered Mar 27, 2017; finished May 7, 2017) – SAL. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N316NB 3116 (entered May 10, 2017; finished Jun 28, 2017) – SAL. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N317NB 3117 (entered Nov 23, 2015; finished Dec 26, 2015) – SAL. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N318NB 3118 (entered Oct 27, 2015; finished Nov 23, 2015) – BFM. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N319NB 3119 (entered Nov 18, 2015; finished Dec 19, 2015) – SAL. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N320NB 3120 (entered Dec 22, 2015; finished Jan 25, 2016) – SAL. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N321NB 3121 (entered Mar 29, 2016; finished Apr 25, 2016) – BFM
N322NB 3122 (entered Apr 3, 2016; finished May 1, 2016) – BFM. Reported having 2Ku.
N323NB 3123 (entered Mar 18, 2016; finished Apr 16, 2016) – BFM. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N324NB 3124 (entered Apr 30, 2016; finished May 25, 2016) – BFM. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N325NB 3125 (entered Aug 2, 2016; finished Sep 2, 2016) – ATL. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N326NB 3126 entered Mar 11, 2017; finished Apr 7, 2017) – MSP. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N327NB 3127 (entered Sep 7, 2016; finished Oct 4, 2016) – ATL. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N328NB 3128 (entered Jul 2, 2016; finished Aug 2, 2016) – ATL. Has 2Ku WiFi, ex-charter.
N329NB 3129 (entered Jun 21, 2016; finished Aug 5, 2016) – ATL. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N330NB 3130 (entered May 18, 2016; finished Jun 14, 2016) – BFM, ex-charter.
N331NB 3131 (entered May 11, 2016; finished Jul 1, 2016) – ATL. Has 2Ku WiFi, ex-charter.
N332NB 3132 (entered Sep 14, 2016; finished Oct 17, 2016) – MSP
N333NB 3133 (entered Jan 27, 2017; finished Feb 26, 2017 – MSP. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N334NB 3134 (entered Jan 18, 2017; finished Feb 13, 2017) – MSP. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N335NB 3135 (entered Feb 13, 2017; finished Mar 11, 2017 – MSP. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N336NB 3136 (entered Mar 25, 2017; finished Apr 23, 2017) – MSP. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N337NB 3137 (entered Dec 15, 2016; finished Jan 12, 2017) – SAL. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N338NB 3138 (entered Dec 18, 2016; finished Jan 17, 2017) – MSP. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N339NB 3139 (entered Aug 19, 2015; finished Sep 27, 2015) – BFM
N340NB 3140 (entered Nov 13, 2016; finished Dec 12, 2016) – SAL
N341NB 3141 (entered Nov 30, 2016; finished Dec 25, 2016) – MSP. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N342NB 3142 (entered Sep 28, 2015; finished Oct 27, 2015) – BFM. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N343NB 3143 (entered Oct 11, 2015; finished Nov 19, 2015) – SAL. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N344NB 3144 (entered Oct 30, 2016; finished Nov 30, 2016) – MSP
N345NB 3145 (entered Nov 27, 2015; finished Dec 24, 2015) – BFM. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N346NB 3146 (entered Jan 12, 2016; finished Feb 14, 2016) – BFM. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N347NB 3147 (entered Dec 10, 2015; finished Jan 12, 2016) – BFM. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N348NB 3148 (entered Feb 5, 2016; finished Mar 1, 2016) – BFM. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N349NB 3149 (entered Feb 16, 2016; finished Mar 17, 2016) – BFM. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N351NB 3151 (entered Jan 14, 2017; finished Feb 8, 2017 – SAL. Has 2Ku WiFi, ex-charter.
N352NB 3152 (entered Feb 10, 2017; finished Mar 7, 2017) – SAL. Has 2Ku WiFi, ex-charter.
N353NB 3153 (entered Mar 2, 2016; finished Mar 29, 2016) – BFM. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N354NB 3154 (entered Oct 18, 2016; finished Nov 11, 2016) – SAL. Has 2Ku WiFi, ex-charter.
N355NB 3155 (entered Jan 6, 2016; finished Feb 5, 2016) – BFM. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N357NB 3157 (entered Mar 3, 2016; finished Apr 3, 2016) – BFM
N358NB 3158 (entered Aug 7, 2016; finished Sep 2, 2016) – ATL
N359NB 3159 (entered Jul 15, 2016; finished Aug 12, 2016) – BFM. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N360NB 3160 (entered Nov 7, 2015; finished Dec 10, 2015) – BFM. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N361NB 3161 (entered Sep 2, 2016; finished Sep 30, 2016) – MSP. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N362NB 3162 (entered Aug 13, 2016; finished Sep 8, 2016) – BFM. Has 2Ku WiFi, ex-charter.
N363NB 3163 (entered May 28, 2016; finished Jun 21, 2016) – BFM. Has 2Ku WiFi, ex-charter.
N364NB 3164 (entered Apr 25, 2016; finished May 18, 2016) – BFM
N365NB 3165 (entered Oct 18, 2016; finished Nov 17, 2016) – MSP. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N366NB 3166 (entered Nov 17, 2016; finished Dec 17, 2016) – MSP
N368NB 3168 (entered Sep 29, 2016; finished Nov 2, 2016) – MSP
N369NB 3169 (entered Dec 28, 2016; finished Jan 27, 2017) – MSP. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N370NB 3170 (entered Feb 26, 2017; finished Mar 25, 2017) – MSP. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N371NB 3171 (entered Apr 24, 2015; finished Jul 23, 2015) – BFM. ATL since 6/29
*Mods being done at MSP and SAL with some at ATL and BFM.


A320: P1: 53, P2: 7/62 (+2 in mod)
N309US 3209 P1: (entered Feb 9, 2016; finished Mar 11, 2016) – SAL
N312US 3212 P1: (entered Oct 15, 2015; finished Nov 15, 2015) – SAL
N317US 3217 P1: (entered Aug 15, 2015; finished Sep 14, 2015) – SAL
N319US 3219 P1: (entered Mar 15, 2016; finished Apr 16, 2016) – SAL
N320US 3220 P1: (entered Jul 29, 2016; finished Aug 30, 2016) – ATL
N321US 3221 P1: (entered May 24, 2016; finished Jun 23, 2016) – SAL
N322US 3222 P1: (entered Jun 6, 2016; finished Jul 28, 2016) – ATL
N323US 3223 P1: (entered Jul 24, 2016; finished Aug 18, 2016) – SAL
N324US 3224 P1: (entered Aug 19, 2016; finished Sep 14, 2016) – SAL
N325US 3225 P1: (entered Oct 6, 2015; finished Nov 15, 2015) – SAL
N326US 3226 P1: (entered Sep 11, 2015; finished Oct 10, 2015) – SAL
N327NW 3227 P1: (entered Feb 3, 2017; finished Feb 26, 2017) – SAL. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N328NW 3228 P1: (entered Dec 4, 2016; finished Dec 29, 2016) – SAL
N329NW 3229 P1: (entered Nov 4, 2015; finished Dec 15, 2015) – SAL
N330NW 3230 P1: (entered May 20, 2016; finished Jun 18, 2016) – SAL
N331NW 3231 P1: (entered Oct 13, 2016; finished Nov 5, 2016) – SAL
N332NW 3232 P1: (entered Sep 16, 2016; finished Oct 11, 2016) – SAL
N333NW 3233 P1: (entered Dec 18, 2015; finished Jan 21, 2016) – SAL
N334NW 3234 P1: (entered Nov 15, 2016; finished Dec 6, 2016) – SAL
N335NW 3235 P1: (entered Jan 22, 2015; finished May 22, 2015) – BFM
N336NW 3236 P1: (entered Jun 26, 2016; finished Jul 20, 2016) – SAL
N337NW 3237 P1: (entered Apr 19, 2016; finished May 21, 2016) – SAL
N338NW 3238 P1: (entered Oct 18, 2016; finished Nov 13, 2016) – SAL
N339NW 3239 P1: (entered Sep 29, 2016; finished Oct 24, 2016) – SAL
N340NW 3240 P2: (entered Apr 11, 2017; finished May 14, 2017) – SAL
N341NW 3241 P1: (entered Aug 1, 2016; finished Oct 2, 2016) – ATL
N342NW 3242 P1: (entered Oct 1, 2016; finished Oct 22, 2016) – SAL. Has 2Ku WiFi.
N343NW 3243 P1: (entered Jan 9, 2017; finished Feb 11, 2017) – SAL
N344NW 3244 P2: (entered Apr 25, 2016; finished May 25, 2017) – SAL
N345NW 3245 P1: (entered Jan 2, 2017; finished Jan 24, 2017) – SAL
N347NW 3247 *P2: (entered Jun 3, 2017; est. exit Jul 3, 2017) – MSP
N348NW 3248 *P2 (entered Jun 16, 2017; est. exit Jul 11, 2017) – SAL
N349NW 3249 P1: (entered Aug 1, 2015; finished Sep 9, 2015) – SAL
N350NA 3250 P1: (entered Dec 21, 2015; finished Feb 7 2016) – SAL
N351NW 3251 P1: (entered Oct 25, 2016; finished Nov 15, 2016) – SAL
N352NW 3252 P1: (entered Apr 1, 2017; finished Apr 23, 2017) – SAL
N353NW 3253 P2: (entered May 16, 2017; finished Jun 16, 2017) – SAL
N354NW 3254 P2: (entered Apr 10, 2017; finished May 13, 2017) – SAL
N355NW 3255 P1: (entered Feb 27, 2017; finished Mar 23, 2017) – SAL
N356NW 3256 P2: (entered May 16, 2017; finished Jun 17, 2017) – SAL
N357NW 3257 P1: (entered Sep 1, 2015; finished Sep 26, 2015) – SAL
N358NW 3258 P2: (entered May 3, 2017; finished Jun 3, 2017) – MSP
N359NW 3259 P1: (entered Oct 4, 2015; finished Nov 1, 2015) – SAL
N360NW 3260 P1: (entered Dec 29, 2015; finished Jan 30, 2016) – SAL
N361NW 3261 P1: (entered Feb 2, 2016; finished Mar 6, 2016) – SAL
N362NW 3262 P1: (entered Mar 9, 2016; finished Apr 10, 2016) – SAL
N363NW 3263 P1: (entered Jan 25, 2016; finished Feb 27, 2016) – SAL
N364NW 3264 P1: (entered Nov 18, 2015; finished Dec 19, 2015) – SAL
N365NW 3265 P1: (entered Jan 29, 2016; finished Feb 28, 2016) – SAL
N366NW 3266 P1: (entered Mar 2, 2016; finished Apr 2, 2016) – SAL
N367NW 3267 P1: (entered Mar 31, 2016; finished May 1, 2016) – SAL
N368NW 3268 P1: (entered Apr 1, 2016; finished May 3, 2016) – SAL
N369NW 3269 P1: (entered Apr 13, 2016; finished May 17, 2016) – SAL
N370NW 3270 P1: (entered May 4, 2016; finished Jun 3, 2016) – SAL
N371NW 3271 P1: (entered Sep 10, 2016; finished Sep 29, 2016) – SAL
N372NW 3272 P1: (entered Dec 14, 2016; finished Jan 8, 2017) – SAL
N373NW 3273 P1: (entered Feb 14, 2017; finished Mar 8, 2017) – SAL
N374NW 3274 P1: (entered Jan 11, 2017; finished Feb 2, 2017) – SAL
N375NC 3275 P1: (entered Nov 18, 2016; finished Dec 9, 2016) – SAL
N376NW 3276 P1: (entered Oct 26, 2016; finished Nov 16, 2016) – SAL
N377NW 3277 P1: (entered Sep 2, 2016; finished Sep 27, 2016) – SAL
N378NW 3278 P2: (entered Dec 11, 2016; finished Jan 26, 2017) – SAL
*Mods being done at SAL, ATL, and MSP

A320s retirements: 4/7
N310NW 3210 Retirement date: Nov 2017
N311US 3211 Retired May 9, 2017
N313US 3213 Retirement date: Dec 2017
N314US 3214 Retirement date: Dec 2017
N315US 3215 Retired Mar 28, 2017
N316US 3216 Retired May 28, 2017
N318US 3218 Retired June 10, 2017


A321: 22/122 (0 in mod)
N301DN 3001 (delivered Mar 16, 2016; finished May 5, 2016)
N302DN 3002 (delivered Apr 13, 2016; finished May 2, 2016)
N303DN 3003 (delivered Apr 30, 2016; finished May 15, 2016)
N304DN 3004 (delivered Jul 1, 2016; finished Jul 12, 2016)
N305DN 3005 (delivered Jun 10, 2016; finished Jun 20, 2016). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N306DN 3006 (delivered Jul 15, 2016; finished Jul 25, 2016)
N307DX 3007 (delivered Jul 30, 2016; finished Aug 8, 2016)
N308DN 3008 (delivered Aug 13, 2016; finished Aug 21, 2016)
N309DN 3009 (delivered Aug 19, 2016; finished Aug 29, 2016)
N310DN 3010 (delivered Sep 10, 2016; finished Sep 19, 2016)
N311DN 3011 (delivered Sep 22, 2016; finished Oct 1, 2016)
N312DN 3012 (delivered Nov 2, 2016; finished Nov 19, 2016)
N313DN 3013 (delivered Nov 15, 2016; finished Nov 28, 2016)
N314DN 3014 (delivered Dec 2, 2016; finished Dec 12, 2016)
N315DN 3015 (delivered Dec 8, 2016; finished Dec 17, 2016)
N316DN 3016 (delivered Jan 20, 2017; finished Feb 3, 2017)
N317DN 3017 (delivered Feb 10, 2017; finished Feb 24, 2017)
N318DX 3018 (delivered Mar 21, 2017; finished Apr 1, 2017
N319DN 3019 (delivered Apr 13, 2017; finished Apr 22, 2017)
N320DN 3020 (delivered May 18, 2017; finished May 26, 2017)
N321DH 3021 (delivered Jun 8, 2017; finished Jun 27, 2017). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N322DN 3022 (delivered Jun 21, 2017; finished Jun 30, 2017). Has 2Ku WiFi.
N323DN 3023 On Order
N324DX 3024 On Order
N325DN 3025 On Order
N326DN 3026 On Order
N327DN 3027 On Order
N328DN 3028 On Order
N329DN 3029 On Order
N330DN 3030 On Order
N331DN 3031 On Order-XFW
N332DN 3032 On Order-XFW
N333DX 3033 On Order-XFW
N334DN 3034 On Order-XFW
N335DN 3035 On Order-XFW

B717 Mods COMPLETE: 91/91
Mods: DL seating config, WiFi, ISP

N949AT 9500 (entered Mar 22; finished Jul 17, 2015)
N940AT 9501 (entered May 22; finished Oct 4, 2015)
N942AT 9502
N943AT 9503 (entered Jun 8; finished Sep 6, 2015)
N944AT 9504 (entered Jun 4; finished Sep 14, 2015)
N945AT 9505 (entered Jul 20; finished Feb 6, 2016)
N946AT 9506 (entered Jul 13; finished Dec 19, 2015)
N947AT 9507 (entered Jun 25; finished Oct 23, 2015)
N948AT 9508 (entered May 14; finished Aug 7, 2015)
N950AT 9509 (entered Jul 16; finished Oct 12, 2015)
N951AT 9510 (entered Apr 23; finished Jul 24, 2015)
N952AT 9511 (entered May 22; finished Sep 26, 2015)
N953AT 9512
N954AT 9513
N955AT 9514
N956AT 9515
N957AT 9516
N958AT 9517
N959AT 9518
N960AT 9519
N961AT 9520
N988AT 9521
N963AT 9522
N964AT 9523
N965AT 9524 (entered Feb 22, finished May 31, 2015)
N966AT 9525
N967AT 9526
N989AT 9527
N990AT 9528
N991AT 9529
N968AT 9530
N969AT 9531
N970AT 9532
N971AT 9533
N972AT 9534
N992AT 9535 (entered Jul 1; finished Jan 6, 2016)
N974AT 9536
N975AT 9537
N993AT 9538
N994AT 9539
N995AT 9540
N977AT 9541
N996AT 9542 (entered Apr 26; finished Aug 7, 2015)
N978AT 9543
N979AT 9544
N997AT 9545 (entered Mar 22, finished Jun 12, 2015)
N980AT 9546 (entered Apr 13; finished Jul 20, 2015)
N998AT 9547
N981AT 9548
N982AT 9549 (entered Apr 15; finished Jul 27, 2015)
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Sat Jul 01, 2017 5:39 pm

It was interesting to see in the last two issues of Delta's Sky Magazine that the "Fleet" page featured full color cut-away drawings of the 757 (May) and MD-88 (June). Funny they would go to that length to highlight features on two jets that 1) are no longer in production and 2) will be retired from the fleet in the near future. It was a pleasant surprise. I will miss them both, especially the 2-3 seating on the 88's...
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Sat Jul 01, 2017 7:36 pm

PennPal wrote:
It was interesting to see in the last two issues of Delta's Sky Magazine that the "Fleet" page featured full color cut-away drawings of the 757 (May) and MD-88 (June). Funny they would go to that length to highlight features on two jets that 1) are no longer in production and 2) will be retired from the fleet in the near future. It was a pleasant surprise. I will miss them both, especially the 2-3 seating on the 88's...

Also amusing is that the cut-away of the MD88 shows seat back video screens.
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Sat Jul 01, 2017 9:43 pm

PennPal wrote:
It was interesting to see in the last two issues of Delta's Sky Magazine that the "Fleet" page featured full color cut-away drawings of the 757 (May) and MD-88 (June). Funny they would go to that length to highlight features on two jets that 1) are no longer in production and 2) will be retired from the fleet in the near future. It was a pleasant surprise. I will miss them both, especially the 2-3 seating on the 88's...


Since when are the 757s leaving the fleet "soon"? DL is not even quite finished installing AVOD in all of them and standardizing at 199 seats, although it's getting close. It seems to me these workhorses will be flying for quite some time yet.
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:06 am

FSDan wrote:
PennPal wrote:
It was interesting to see in the last two issues of Delta's Sky Magazine that the "Fleet" page featured full color cut-away drawings of the 757 (May) and MD-88 (June). Funny they would go to that length to highlight features on two jets that 1) are no longer in production and 2) will be retired from the fleet in the near future. It was a pleasant surprise. I will miss them both, especially the 2-3 seating on the 88's...


Since when are the 757s leaving the fleet "soon"? DL is not even quite finished installing AVOD in all of them and standardizing at 199 seats, although it's getting close. It seems to me these workhorses will be flying for quite some time yet.

I can only assume that he's referring to the 20 ships which have already left the fleet since 2015, with two more to go.
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:52 pm

I know it's not strictly on topic, but I figured it would be better to post in here than create a stand alone thread, but does anyone know what's going on with 6309? I saw it flew DTW-PVG June 26, the return leg was cancelled, and from what I can tell it's still at PVG. I'd guess some sort of maintenance issue, but was wondering if anyone knows anything more specific.
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:02 am

audidudi wrote:
FSDan wrote:
PennPal wrote:
It was interesting to see in the last two issues of Delta's Sky Magazine that the "Fleet" page featured full color cut-away drawings of the 757 (May) and MD-88 (June). Funny they would go to that length to highlight features on two jets that 1) are no longer in production and 2) will be retired from the fleet in the near future. It was a pleasant surprise. I will miss them both, especially the 2-3 seating on the 88's...


Since when are the 757s leaving the fleet "soon"? DL is not even quite finished installing AVOD in all of them and standardizing at 199 seats, although it's getting close. It seems to me these workhorses will be flying for quite some time yet.

I can only assume that he's referring to the 20 ships which have already left the fleet since 2015, with two more to go.


Yet there are 100+ that aren't scheduled to leave anytime soon... Don't see why it's an issue to highlight the 757.
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:49 am

What ever happened to the Saudi MD-90's Delta didn't take them because of the cockpits but aren't the cockpits similar to the 717. If anything they can acquire them for parts
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Tue Jul 04, 2017 1:43 am

3247 is back in service: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N347NW. 2Ku TBD.
3711 did a test hop, should return to service soon: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N381DN
 
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Tue Jul 04, 2017 1:57 am

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What ever happened to the Saudi MD-90's Delta didn't take them because of the cockpits but aren't the cockpits similar to the 717. If anything they can acquire them for parts

They were flown to the US and broken up for spares beginning a few years ago.
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Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2017

Tue Jul 04, 2017 3:01 am

n515cr wrote:
3247 is back in service: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N347NW. 2Ku TBD.
3711 did a test hop, should return to service soon: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N381DN


3247 will have 2Ku.

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