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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:14 pm

https://www.cvgairport.com/docs/default ... f?sfvrsn=4

This is CVG's incentive program. The international carrier benefits look insane. IND will offer 50k for marketing and CVG is offering almost half a million. These look very tempting. Almost everything free.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:36 pm

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
https://www.cvgairport.com/docs/default-source/concession-documents/cvg-asip.pdf?sfvrsn=4

This is CVG's incentive program. The international carrier benefits look insane. IND will offer 50k for marketing and CVG is offering almost half a million. These look very tempting. Almost everything free.


*According to IND, incentives are based on operations and equipment. Thus, the financial impact will vary. As an example, the estimated incentive for international daily service on a Boeing 787 is approximately $1.0M. Marketing for TATL would be at least $330,000 so pretty similar in terms of marketing. In addition to TATL incentives offered by CVG, IND will waive All remote overnight parking fees, and IND will waive all international processing fees.*

Any one have CMH's incentive program on hand, I think the thing that is holding it back from nonstop service is probably its incentive program, so I would be interested to see what it looks like...
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:46 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
https://www.cvgairport.com/docs/default-source/concession-documents/cvg-asip.pdf?sfvrsn=4

This is CVG's incentive program. The international carrier benefits look insane. IND will offer 50k for marketing and CVG is offering almost half a million. These look very tempting. Almost everything free.


*According to IND, incentives are based on operations and equipment. Thus, the financial impact will vary. As an example, the estimated incentive for international daily service on a Boeing 787 is approximately $1.0M. Marketing for TATL would be at least $330,000 so pretty similar in terms of marketing. In addition to TATL incentives offered by CVG, IND will waive All remote overnight parking fees, and IND will waive all international processing fees.*

Any one have CMH's incentive program on hand, I think the thing that is holding it back from nonstop service is probably its incentive program, so I would be interested to see what it looks like...


I'll look
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:50 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
https://www.cvgairport.com/docs/default-source/concession-documents/cvg-asip.pdf?sfvrsn=4

This is CVG's incentive program. The international carrier benefits look insane. IND will offer 50k for marketing and CVG is offering almost half a million. These look very tempting. Almost everything free.


*According to IND, incentives are based on operations and equipment. Thus, the financial impact will vary. As an example, the estimated incentive for international daily service on a Boeing 787 is approximately $1.0M. Marketing for TATL would be at least $330,000 so pretty similar in terms of marketing. In addition to TATL incentives offered by CVG, IND will waive All remote overnight parking fees, and IND will waive all international processing fees.*

Any one have CMH's incentive program on hand, I think the thing that is holding it back from nonstop service is probably its incentive program, so I would be interested to see what it looks like...


CMH doesn't seem to have an incentive program available to the public. Which is weird because many airports do. At least I couldn't find it. It's probably burried somehwere
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:01 pm

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
https://www.cvgairport.com/docs/default-source/concession-documents/cvg-asip.pdf?sfvrsn=4

This is CVG's incentive program. The international carrier benefits look insane. IND will offer 50k for marketing and CVG is offering almost half a million. These look very tempting. Almost everything free.


*According to IND, incentives are based on operations and equipment. Thus, the financial impact will vary. As an example, the estimated incentive for international daily service on a Boeing 787 is approximately $1.0M. Marketing for TATL would be at least $330,000 so pretty similar in terms of marketing. In addition to TATL incentives offered by CVG, IND will waive All remote overnight parking fees, and IND will waive all international processing fees.*

Any one have CMH's incentive program on hand, I think the thing that is holding it back from nonstop service is probably its incentive program, so I would be interested to see what it looks like...


CMH doesn't seem to have an incentive program available to the public. Which is weird because many airports do. At least I couldn't find it. It's probably burried somehwere


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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:56 pm

CVG is definitely facing some O&D infrastructure issues with the increased number of passenger, my guess is that WN is not helping matters. Only having one security checkpoint is causing quite the backups as seen today, the line was out to the ticketing area, I don't know that I have ever seen this happen before:

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Ticket counters are also pretty tight, not sure there is much room left for future carriers or expansion by current carriers. Long term parking has also been pretty tight with under 100 spots available by the end of most days last week. I know adding more spaces is on the list of things to do, but they have yet to put up construction bids, so its going to be a while before more parking spaces are actually added.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:02 am

Came across an interesting change for CMH when booking travel for the later part of August. Effective approximately August 23rd, (2) of the (5) DFW flights go to 738s. The other (3) remain MD80s. This will be (AFIK and please correct me if I am wrong) the first regularly scheduled AA 738 service into CMH. It is also a pretty decent increase in capacity. Will be interesting to see if it stays in place through the holiday season. Sadly, the E190 to PHL appears to be gone sometime soon. (Couldn't pin down the exact date).
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:37 am

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CVG is definitely facing some O&D infrastructure issues with the increased number of passenger, my guess is that WN is not helping matters. Only having one security checkpoint is causing quite the backups as seen today, the line was out to the ticketing area, I don't know that I have ever seen this happen before:

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Ticket counters are also pretty tight, not sure there is much room left for future carriers or expansion by current carriers. Long term parking has also been pretty tight with under 100 spots available by the end of most days last week. I know adding more spaces is on the list of things to do, but they have yet to put up construction bids, so its going to be a while before more parking spaces are actually added.


That's insane. But back in the day it used to be down the escalators. This might be the most O and D CVG has ever had tho since it was always just connection.
 
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Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:48 am

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
CVG is definitely facing some O&D infrastructure issues with the increased number of passenger, my guess is that WN is not helping matters. Only having one security checkpoint is causing quite the backups as seen today, the line was out to the ticketing area, I don't know that I have ever seen this happen before:

Image

Ticket counters are also pretty tight, not sure there is much room left for future carriers or expansion by current carriers. Long term parking has also been pretty tight with under 100 spots available by the end of most days last week. I know adding more spaces is on the list of things to do, but they have yet to put up construction bids, so its going to be a while before more parking spaces are actually added.


That's insane. But back in the day it used to be down the escalators. This might be the most O and D CVG has ever had tho since it was always just connection.


Yeah, back in the day when it was just DL doing departers at A/B/C in that terminal they'd sometimes have to close the escalators to get down. I've not seen the upper level like that since the new configuration.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:51 am

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
https://www.cvgairport.com/docs/default-source/concession-documents/cvg-asip.pdf?sfvrsn=4

This is CVG's incentive program. The international carrier benefits look insane. IND will offer 50k for marketing and CVG is offering almost half a million. These look very tempting. Almost everything free.


*According to IND, incentives are based on operations and equipment. Thus, the financial impact will vary. As an example, the estimated incentive for international daily service on a Boeing 787 is approximately $1.0M. Marketing for TATL would be at least $330,000 so pretty similar in terms of marketing. In addition to TATL incentives offered by CVG, IND will waive All remote overnight parking fees, and IND will waive all international processing fees.*

Any one have CMH's incentive program on hand, I think the thing that is holding it back from nonstop service is probably its incentive program, so I would be interested to see what it looks like...


CMH doesn't seem to have an incentive program available to the public. Which is weird because many airports do. At least I couldn't find it. It's probably burried somehwere


CMH had a plan, and went big on it. It was called SkyBus and it failed in spectacular fashion. I think they still are a little hesitant to incent. Europe service and new terminal structure are the priorities now at CMH IMHO.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:32 am

brooklynchris13 wrote:
Came across an interesting change for CMH when booking travel for the later part of August. Effective approximately August 23rd, (2) of the (5) DFW flights go to 738s. The other (3) remain MD80s. This will be (AFIK and please correct me if I am wrong) the first regularly scheduled AA 738 service into CMH. It is also a pretty decent increase in capacity. Will be interesting to see if it stays in place through the holiday season. Sadly, the E190 to PHL appears to be gone sometime soon. (Couldn't pin down the exact date).


CMH saw the 738 with AA when LAX service was initiated. It was switched to an A319 around the time of the merger with US. Several other MD80 cities in the Midwest see swaps for 738s around that time as well. Unfortunately, it looks like the 2x 738 will be short-lived. In September it shows the afternoon flight being downgauged to a CR9. If there's a silver lining, maybe AA can keep CMH-DFW at 5x daily instead of going to 4x daily as has been the trend during the slower winter months.

Also, the E90 to PHL was downgauged back to regional back in May, I believe.
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Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:48 am

Looks like ORF, RDU, FNT, and SDF are teasing route announcements for tomorrow, rumors are on G4. I know they just added PVD from CVG, I wonder if it is G4, if any routes from Ohio will be announced, they just recently extended their schedule, so it would make sense.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:24 am

As has been stated in another thread, Allegaint is adding LAX and RDU from CVG starting November 16. Says they will both be year round but no mention of the frequency yet. Allegiant's route map from CVG is looking pretty good these days.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:59 am

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As has been stated in another thread, Allegaint is adding LAX and RDU from CVG starting November 16. Says they will both be year round but no mention of the frequency yet. Allegiant's route map from CVG is looking pretty good these days.


4x a week to LAX 2x a week to RDU
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:07 pm

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As has been stated in another thread, Allegaint is adding LAX and RDU from CVG starting November 16. Says they will both be year round but no mention of the frequency yet. Allegiant's route map from CVG is looking pretty good these days.


RDU is a surprise, is there a lot of demand for low-cost travel on RDU-CVG
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:28 pm

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AirportRival wrote:
As has been stated in another thread, Allegaint is adding LAX and RDU from CVG starting November 16. Says they will both be year round but no mention of the frequency yet. Allegiant's route map from CVG is looking pretty good these days.


RDU is a surprise, is there a lot of demand for low-cost travel on RDU-CVG


Just checked the delta seat maps to RDU and those flights are packed.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:29 pm

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RDU is a surprise, is there a lot of demand for low-cost travel on RDU-CVG


I have been expecting F9 to jump on CVG-CLT/RDU for quite awhile, it seems to do well from CLE, which has service to both cities on F9. G4 was unexpected, but I think there is a market for the route.
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Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:36 pm

Nothing for LCK or DAY, which is surprising- DAY seemed confident two new destinations were a near certainty a couple months ago, though maybe it's still to come.
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Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:47 pm

Will Frontier add nonstop service out of CVG to AUS, MCI, MIA, PDX, PVD, RDU, SLC, SAT, SEA, DCA, or PBI? Frontier does not yet serve any of these 11 destinations nonstop from CVG, but these are destinations that Frontier could potentially expand to out of CVG if it is planning on adding nonstops to additional destinations out of CVG.
 
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Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:22 pm

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Will Frontier add nonstop service out of CVG to AUS, MCI, MIA, PDX, PVD, RDU, SLC, SAT, SEA, DCA, or PBI? Frontier does not yet serve any of these 11 destinations nonstop from CVG, but these are destinations that Frontier could potentially expand to out of CVG if it is planning on adding nonstops to additional destinations out of CVG.

I don't know, do you?

Or are you asking if, in our opinion, could they?
 
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Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:13 pm

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Will Frontier add nonstop service out of CVG to AUS, MCI, MIA, PDX, PVD, RDU, SLC, SAT, SEA, DCA, or PBI? Frontier does not yet serve any of these 11 destinations nonstop from CVG, but these are destinations that Frontier could potentially expand to out of CVG if it is planning on adding nonstops to additional destinations out of CVG.

I don't know, do you?

Or are you asking if, in our opinion, could they?


I was asking what your opinions are on any additional new Frontier routes out of CVG.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:28 pm

jplatts wrote:
Will Frontier add nonstop service out of CVG to AUS, MCI, MIA, PDX, PVD, RDU, SLC, SAT, SEA, DCA, or PBI? Frontier does not yet serve any of these 11 destinations nonstop from CVG, but these are destinations that Frontier could potentially expand to out of CVG if it is planning on adding nonstops to additional destinations out of CVG.


AUS/MIA/SLC/DCA/PVD/SAT seem unlikely at least for the time being.... F9 serves CLE-RDU so CVG-RDU could be a possibility, and I think SEA/PDX have been brought up in this thread before, and those are underserved/unserved markets with decent PDEW...
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:14 pm

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RDU is a surprise, is there a lot of demand for low-cost travel on RDU-CVG


I have been expecting F9 to jump on CVG-CLT/RDU for quite awhile, it seems to do well from CLE, which has service to both cities on F9. G4 was unexpected, but I think there is a market for the route.


F9's CLE-CLT will be terminated in early August. Late evening timings likely suppressed demand, let alone not servicing it on some popular days, and fare matching from AA atleast out of CLT. Out of RDU, the AA issue isn't there, but RDU still seems small (it's not like it has ATL's population on that side).

And, it does seem like G4 adding CVG-RDU was like trying to pick a route F9 would try, and for G4 to do it instead, much like opening in PVD and flying PVD-PGD, shortly after F9 announced PVD-MCO.

I'm kind of doubtful of CVG-RDU as G4 is running the route service in the Winter, and just doubtful of it being to fill the planes. But G4 is running it on Thurs/Sun, which are two popular days for leisure travelers to fly, and it's relatively low risk (short-haul and just 2x weekly). The drive is over 8 hours, which I assume some will still do. But, low risk/low reward just to at least break even is probably what G4 is trying to achieve.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:15 am

So IF! SWA is going to announce something at CVG tomorrow what time will it be at?
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:40 am

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So IF! SWA is going to announce something at CVG tomorrow what time will it be at?

WN pushes out the schedule and changes to its route map at 6 am EST (5 am CST), sometimes it takes a little bit longer to load everything, but it usually a very well organized process. Normally they do not hold formal announcements at airports, so IF! :-) routes are added tomorrow, I am not sure if/when that would occur. Usually a detailed frequency change summary is also released later in the day.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:45 pm

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So IF! SWA is going to announce something at CVG tomorrow what time will it be at?

WN pushes out the schedule and changes to its route map at 6 am EST (5 am CST), sometimes it takes a little bit longer to load everything, but it usually a very well organized process. Normally they do not hold formal announcements at airports, so IF! :-) routes are added tomorrow, I am not sure if/when that would occur. Usually a detailed frequency change summary is also released later in the day.


Looks like CVG got nothing
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:49 pm

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Looks like CVG got nothing


It does not look like any real new routes were added at any station, the only additions I saw were Saturday-only seasonal routes. This is not usually a very big expansion for WN, but the next two schedule releases going into the Spring usually have more new routes.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:04 pm

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Cvgspotter15 wrote:
Looks like CVG got nothing


It does not look like any real new routes were added at any station, the only additions I saw were Saturday-only seasonal routes. This is not usually a very big expansion for WN, but the next two schedule releases going into the Spring usually have more new routes.


When is the next? August?
 
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Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:15 pm

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cvgComair wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
Looks like CVG got nothing


It does not look like any real new routes were added at any station, the only additions I saw were Saturday-only seasonal routes. This is not usually a very big expansion for WN, but the next two schedule releases going into the Spring usually have more new routes.


When is the next? August?


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Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:17 pm

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Cvgspotter15 wrote:
Looks like CVG got nothing


It does not look like any real new routes were added at any station, the only additions I saw were Saturday-only seasonal routes. This is not usually a very big expansion for WN, but the next two schedule releases going into the Spring usually have more new routes.


The only one I have seen is TPA-SAN daily. I don't think it is seasonal. Besides that I think you are right about only seasonal so far. I am interested to see when the spreadsheet they put up comes out on what else was changed.
 
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Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:25 pm

WN is always conservative with new stations (the exception being FL merger stations). They need to see where people are heading beyond BWI and MDW. CVG is still a DL hub with good ULCC presence which doesn't help the cause for a massive expansion. It'll take a while but they'll add more.
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Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:49 pm

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WN is always conservative with new stations (the exception being FL merger stations). They need to see where people heading are beyond BWI and MDW. CVG is still a DL hub with good ULCC presence which doesn't help the cause for a massive expansion. It'll take a while but they'll add more.

Exactly. Southwest literally JUST launched operations in Cincinnati, expect 6 months minimum before they would make any moves (if at all).
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:52 pm

izbtmnhd wrote:
WN is always conservative with new stations (the exception being FL merger stations). They need to see where people heading are beyond BWI and MDW. CVG is still a DL hub with good ULCC presence which doesn't help the cause for a massive expansion. It'll take a while but they'll add more.


In the last 10 years, Southwest did start service at 4 destinations not acquired through the Southwest-AirTran merger with nonstop service to more than 2 destinations, and here are these 4 destinations along with the cities initially served nonstop from these destinations:
  • Milwaukee (with nonstop service to Baltimore, Kansas City, Las Vegas, Orlando, Phoenix, and Tampa at the time that Southwest started service out of MKE)
  • Panama City Beach (with nonstop service to Baltimore, Houston-Hobby, Nashville, Orlando at the time that Southwest started service out of ECP)
  • Charleston (with nonstop service to Baltimore, Chicago-Midway, Houston-Hobby, Nashville, Orlando at the time that Southwest started service out of CHS)
  • Greenville-Spartanburg (with nonstop service to Baltimore, Chicago-Midway, Houston-Hobby, and Nashville at the time that Southwest started service out of GSP)

In addition, Southwest did start service at Newark with nonstop service to 2 destinations initially with plans to start nonstop service to 4 additional destinations prior to Southwest initiating service at EWR.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:02 pm

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izbtmnhd wrote:
WN is always conservative with new stations (the exception being FL merger stations). They need to see where people heading are beyond BWI and MDW. CVG is still a DL hub with good ULCC presence which doesn't help the cause for a massive expansion. It'll take a while but they'll add more.


In the last 10 years, Southwest did start service at 4 destinations not acquired through the Southwest-AirTran merger with nonstop service to more than 2 destinations, and here are these 4 destinations along with the cities initially served nonstop from these destinations:
  • Milwaukee (with nonstop service to Baltimore, Kansas City, Las Vegas, Orlando, Phoenix, and Tampa at the time that Southwest started service out of MKE)
  • Panama City Beach (with nonstop service to Baltimore, Houston-Hobby, Nashville, Orlando at the time that Southwest started service out of ECP)
  • Charleston (with nonstop service to Baltimore, Chicago-Midway, Houston-Hobby, Nashville, Orlando at the time that Southwest started service out of CHS)
  • Greenville-Spartanburg (with nonstop service to Baltimore, Chicago-Midway, Houston-Hobby, and Nashville at the time that Southwest started service out of GSP)

In addition, Southwest did start service at Newark with nonstop service to 2 destinations initially with plans to start nonstop service to 4 additional destinations prior to Southwest initiating service at EWR.


Fair point.

I would counter:

MKE was a unique start-up because of the LCC hub situation already there. GSP was in another era when it was designed to play a different role than now. EWR is serving the largest market in the US.

Can't remember much about ECP or CHS.
 
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Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:14 pm

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WN is always conservative with new stations (the exception being FL merger stations). They need to see where people heading are beyond BWI and MDW. CVG is still a DL hub with good ULCC presence which doesn't help the cause for a massive expansion. It'll take a while but they'll add more.


In the last 10 years, Southwest did start service at 4 destinations not acquired through the Southwest-AirTran merger with nonstop service to more than 2 destinations, and here are these 4 destinations along with the cities initially served nonstop from these destinations:
  • Milwaukee (with nonstop service to Baltimore, Kansas City, Las Vegas, Orlando, Phoenix, and Tampa at the time that Southwest started service out of MKE)
  • Panama City Beach (with nonstop service to Baltimore, Houston-Hobby, Nashville, Orlando at the time that Southwest started service out of ECP)
  • Charleston (with nonstop service to Baltimore, Chicago-Midway, Houston-Hobby, Nashville, Orlando at the time that Southwest started service out of CHS)
  • Greenville-Spartanburg (with nonstop service to Baltimore, Chicago-Midway, Houston-Hobby, and Nashville at the time that Southwest started service out of GSP)

In addition, Southwest did start service at Newark with nonstop service to 2 destinations initially with plans to start nonstop service to 4 additional destinations prior to Southwest initiating service at EWR.


Your airport is a somewhat resurgent hub for a legacy carrier and focus city for not one, but two ULCCs. MKE, ECP, CHS, and GSP were not.

Rome wasn't built in a day. Neither will Southwest Airlines' operation at CVG. ;)
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:55 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
izbtmnhd wrote:
WN is always conservative with new stations (the exception being FL merger stations). They need to see where people heading are beyond BWI and MDW. CVG is still a DL hub with good ULCC presence which doesn't help the cause for a massive expansion. It'll take a while but they'll add more.


Your airport is a somewhat resurgent hub for a legacy carrier and focus city for not one, but two ULCCs. MKE, ECP, CHS, and GSP were not.

Rome wasn't built in a day. Neither will Southwest Airlines' operation at CVG. ;)


Southwest Airlines started its LGA operation with only MDW and BWI like it did at CVG, and didn't start expanding beyond MDW and BWI until August 12, 2012 when it started nonstop service from LGA to DEN, MKE, and STL. Southwest had been at LGA for over 3 years before it started really expanding to destinations other than MDW and BWI out of LGA. Southwest did end up discontinuing nonstop service from LGA to BWI in 2013, adding nonstop service from LGA to HOU and BNA in 2013, adding nonstop service from LGA to DAL in 2014, and adding nonstop service from LGA to MCI in 2015.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:20 pm

Would Allegiant seek to gain access to the AA gates at Dallas Love Field that are currently used by Virgin America and Alaska Airlines? The City of Dallas would be required under the Wright Amendment Reform Act of 2006 to give Allegiant Air access to gates at Dallas Love Field if Allegiant intends to serve Dallas Love Field.

If Allegiant is able to gain access to at least one gate at DAL, Allegiant could possibly add nonstop service out of CVG to DAL. However, Allegiant might have difficulty doing well on CVG to DAL nonstop service since Southwest Airlines has its home base at Dallas Love Field, since American Airlines has its home base at DFW Airport, and since many of the DFW-area customers who travel to Cincinnati from Dallas would prefer to do so on airlines other than Allegiant, including American, Delta, and Frontier, who all serve CVG nonstop from DFW, and including Southwest, who has its home base at DAL. Would Allegiant serve CVG nonstop from DAL if it could get access to a gate at DAL?
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:31 pm

It looks like CMH-OAK is being discontinued for January, it will resume on 2/18/18.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:45 pm

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It looks like CMH-OAK is being discontinued for January, it will resume on 2/18/18.
Oddly enough, it does run a one off on 2/14. Is there some sort of Valentine's Day traffic?
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:51 pm

Ugh. Doesn't bode well for UA or someone else to add SFO anytime soon.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:05 pm

Will Southwest add nonstop service from Houston Hobby to Sacramento, San Jose (CA), Minneapolis/St. Paul, Milwaukee, Detroit, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Grand Cayman, Nassau, Punta Cana, or Turks & Caicos in 2018? Will Southwest add year-round nonstop service from Houston Hobby to Columbus starting in June 2018 if the seasonal HOU-CMH nonstop service from November 2017 through January 2018 is successful?
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:56 pm

Will Southwest add CMH-MSP nonstop service in the near future? While Frontier has recently added service out of CVG and CLE to MSP, only Delta still has nonstop service out of CMH to MSP. In addition, CMH-MSP is a bigger market than CVG-MSP is and Southwest is the dominant carrier at CMH. Furthermore, there are major corporations based in Columbus that do have a presence in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area, including Wendy's, Nationwide Insurance, and Big Lots, and there are business travelers in the Columbus area that would prefer to fly Southwest to MSP if Southwest added CMH-MSP nonstop service.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:55 pm

boscmh wrote:
Ugh. Doesn't bode well for UA or someone else to add SFO anytime soon.


Don't know what you mean UA already services SFO
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:08 pm

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
boscmh wrote:
Ugh. Doesn't bode well for UA or someone else to add SFO anytime soon.


Don't know what you mean UA already services SFO


UA doesn't serve CMH-SFO
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:18 pm

boscmh wrote:
Ugh. Doesn't bode well for UA or someone else to add SFO anytime soon.


The stupid thing is SFO should have been added before OAK, even with a nonstop OAK has less O&D traffic than SFO for large portion of the year. And now the performance of this route could discourage UA from trying SFO.
2016 PDEW
Q1 SFO= 85 OAK= 90
Q2 SFO= 129 OAK=110
Q3 SFO= 114 OAK=111
Q4 SFO= 110 OAK= 113
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:20 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
boscmh wrote:
Ugh. Doesn't bode well for UA or someone else to add SFO anytime soon.


The stupid thing is SFO should have been added before OAK, even with a nonstop OAK has less O&D traffic than SFO for large portion of the year. And now the performance of this route could discourage UA from trying SFO.
2016 PDEW
Q1 SFO= 85 OAK= 90
Q2 SFO= 129 OAK=110
Q3 SFO= 114 OAK=111
Q4 SFO= 110 OAK= 113


Can't really blame them for not wanting to try it. That is pretty paltry demand for a West Coast flight.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:53 pm

AirportRival wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
boscmh wrote:
Ugh. Doesn't bode well for UA or someone else to add SFO anytime soon.


The stupid thing is SFO should have been added before OAK, even with a nonstop OAK has less O&D traffic than SFO for large portion of the year. And now the performance of this route could discourage UA from trying SFO.
2016 PDEW
Q1 SFO= 85 OAK= 90
Q2 SFO= 129 OAK=110
Q3 SFO= 114 OAK=111
Q4 SFO= 110 OAK= 113


Can't really blame them for not wanting to try it. That is pretty paltry demand for a West Coast flight.


Agreed, but the SFO PDEW would probably increase without the OAK flight, but who knows?
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:08 pm

So I know there is a massive business pull from Frankfurt in Cincinnati and since Condor has been expanding to smaller airport such as PIT and MSY do any of you guys think we could ever see them at CVG?
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:53 pm

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
So I know there is a massive business pull from Frankfurt in Cincinnati and since Condor has been expanding to smaller airport such as PIT and MSY do any of you guys think we could ever see them at CVG?


I think FRA is the most likely TATL service for CVG to get. It was always an important route for DL and had very high loads even in its final months of operation. I know that demand has been suppressed since then and numerous European businesses with locations in Cincinnati, especially from Germany, have reduced or closed their operations in Cincinnati. There still is quite a large demand though for the route and I have no doubt a 2x/week would work.

I for one would say CVG needs to focus on increasing its subsidiary for these seasonal/more limited TATL carriers like Condor rather than trying to get another daily nonstop flight on a carrier like BA. The only way I see another daily TATL flight working is on DL so that there is not competition and even that seems unlikely to me at this point. I do still want to see what they are doing with the 5 slots in October plus the 7 slots currently used for PHL-LHR, which they get to use elsewhere starting March 23, 2018.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:54 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
boscmh wrote:
Ugh. Doesn't bode well for UA or someone else to add SFO anytime soon.


The stupid thing is SFO should have been added before OAK, even with a nonstop OAK has less O&D traffic than SFO for large portion of the year. And now the performance of this route could discourage UA from trying SFO.
2016 PDEW
Q1 SFO= 85 OAK= 90
Q2 SFO= 129 OAK=110
Q3 SFO= 114 OAK=111
Q4 SFO= 110 OAK= 113


I'm not sure how accurate these numbers are. If you remember, CMH didn't serve LAX up until a couple of years ago and the PDEW was roughly 225. Since then two airlines have service and according to the CMH website, the PDEW to the LA basin is 450. Almost double the first estimate.

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