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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sat May 27, 2017 12:37 am

I've heard a rumor that Cargolux is gonna start regular operations to CVG soon too.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sat May 27, 2017 1:38 am

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
NoTime wrote:
Since C'bus and Indy are often compared to one another (here and elsewhere), this is interesting:

Columbus overtakes Indianapolis to become country's 14th largest city



Well cincinnati's whole population including suburbs is 2.1 mil. Columbus is only 2.0


And the whole area of Columbus including suburbs again is actually dead even with Cleveland.


It's all in how you define a metropolitan area. Take a look at this list of combined statistical areas, "composed of adjacent metropolitan (MSA) and micropolitan statistical areas ...that can demonstrate economic or social linkage. The United States Office of Management and Budget defines a CSA as consisting of various combinations of adjacent metropolitan and micropolitan areas with economic ties measured by commuting patterns." If you use this measure, the Greater Cleveland area is still appreciably bigger (#15, vs. #25 Columbus, and #28 Cincinnati).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_statistical_area
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sat May 27, 2017 2:00 am

That would be two Cargolux destinations in Ohio- they've been flying into LCK for several years now.

It's amazing what a hotbed Ohio's becoming for foreign cargo carriers. LCK has Cargolux, Cathay, Emirates, Ethiopian (perhaps the most interesting) and Etihad and CVG will apparently have Cargolux and Singapore.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sat May 27, 2017 3:09 am

CLEguy wrote:
It's all in how you define a metropolitan area. Take a look at this list of combined statistical areas, "composed of adjacent metropolitan (MSA) and micropolitan statistical areas ...that can demonstrate economic or social linkage. The United States Office of Management and Budget defines a CSA as consisting of various combinations of adjacent metropolitan and micropolitan areas with economic ties measured by commuting patterns." If you use this measure, the Greater Cleveland area is still appreciably bigger (#15, vs. #25 Columbus, and #28 Cincinnati).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_statistical_area


When Cincinnati and Dayton are combined in the 2020 census (at least that is the plan right now), Cincinnati and Cleveland will still be dead even. Canton/Akron are a similar distance from Cleveland as Dayton is from Cincinnati. That gives Cincinnati a CSA of 3,298,848 compared to a Cleveland CSA of 3,483,311, making these cities the 17th and 15th largest catchment areas in the U.S.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sun May 28, 2017 4:39 pm

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It's amazing what a hotbed Ohio's becoming for foreign cargo carriers. LCK has Cargolux, Cathay, Emirates, Ethiopian (perhaps the most interesting) and Etihad and CVG will apparently have Cargolux and Singapore.


It's a very central location for overnight truck distribution.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sun May 28, 2017 5:33 pm

Cargolux coming in from anchorage tonight at 9PM
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sun May 28, 2017 5:33 pm

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
Cargolux coming in from anchorage tonight at 9PM


At CVG
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sun May 28, 2017 5:40 pm

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
Cargolux coming in from anchorage tonight at 9PM


At CVG


Flight number CV724
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sun May 28, 2017 6:22 pm

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Cargolux coming in from anchorage tonight at 9PM

Nice!
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sun May 28, 2017 7:09 pm

Passenger and cargo numbers up at both CMH and LCK. 2017 still projected to be a record year.

http://www.dispatch.com/news/20170523/j ... er-traffic
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Mon May 29, 2017 12:48 am

Cargolux will continue onto Luxembourg tonight: CLX725. Two new European destinations in one week (AMS and LUX)!
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Mon May 29, 2017 7:15 pm

CMH's official Facebook page: "Exciting announcement heading your way May 30...stay tuned!"

What have we here? What say ye, Columbus-area readers of this thread? NK? B6? AS/VX? TATL?
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Mon May 29, 2017 7:24 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
CMH's official Facebook page: "Exciting announcement heading your way May 30...stay tuned!"

What have we here? What say ye, Columbus-area readers of this thread? NK? B6? AS/VX? TATL?


Maybe a new director is announced.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Mon May 29, 2017 7:29 pm

john7165 wrote:
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CMH's official Facebook page: "Exciting announcement heading your way May 30...stay tuned!"

What have we here? What say ye, Columbus-area readers of this thread? NK? B6? AS/VX? TATL?


Maybe a new director is announced.


I'm worried it'll be something like this or something we already knew about the terminal. I can't believe they'd have taken to social media to tease that, though.

Is there anything in the OAG like when F9's service announcement could be found simply by looking at enilria's thread before it was formally announced?
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Mon May 29, 2017 7:48 pm

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Is there anything in the OAG like when F9's service announcement could be found simply by looking at enilria's thread before it was formally announced?


Not usually, most airlines file routes when they announce the route. Notable exceptions are DL, whose route appear in OAG on Saturday, so you can often see them before the official announcement. Frontier usually loads them before the announcement and the routes are almost always loaded at 11pm the day before the announcement.

I bet NK or B6 since F9 usually announces on Wednesday/Thursday and we are past Summer route announcements for TATL/SEA/PDX. Though VX to SFO seems plausible to me. I hope it is something good, CLE/IND/PIT/CVG have been getting all the attention lately.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Mon May 29, 2017 7:55 pm

Does anyone think we will ever see more west coast destinations from American at CVG. For example PHX and LAX. The frontier PHX flight is almost always full and LAX has lots of connections to anywhere really. Also no source for this, but I feel the rumored DL CVG-LHR flight is not likely. First off RDU's load factors are crazy good for both TATLs. Also I feel it would have been announced earlier which leads me to believe Delta's partners such as KLM or AF might pick up the slots.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Mon May 29, 2017 7:59 pm

Southwest will be pulling out of Dayton International Airport after June 3rd, but customers from Western Ohio, Eastern Indiana, and Northern Kentucky can fly on Southwest out of CVG, CMH, IND, DTW, and CLE after Southwest pulls out of DAY.
 
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Mon May 29, 2017 8:18 pm

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
Does anyone think we will ever see more west coast destinations from American at CVG. For example PHX and LAX. The frontier PHX flight is almost always full and LAX has lots of connections to anywhere really. Also no source for this, but I feel the rumored DL CVG-LHR flight is not likely. First off RDU's load factors are crazy good for both TATLs. Also I feel it would have been announced earlier which leads me to believe Delta's partners such as KLM or AF might pick up the slots.


When DL pulled the PHX flight, the board specifically said they went to AA trying to get the route, but nothing came of it. PHX is underserved from CVG compared to cities like CMH/CLE/IND, but with AA not growing PHX at the moment, I think WN will probably be the next airline on the route. I feel like UA on CVG-LAX is more likely than AA, but I am not sure I see either carrier on CVG-LAX.

The rumors of DL adding a few routes were quite a while ago, and while I still think its possible farther in the future, we are probably too late in the year for anything like SAN/AUS/MSY/LHR to actually happen. Also, DL just cut SLC-LHR for the Fall/Winter and none of their hubs have good LF's during this time of year to LHR. It makes me wonder why they would buy more LHR slots when they are not anywhere close to fully utilizing the ones they have now, but I agree with you the CVG-LHR is unlikely. DL has a ton of excess slots, on the OAG forum some others were talking about the possibility of VS taking over more routes, so DL might be planning to sell the slots to them.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Mon May 29, 2017 9:11 pm

One suggestion is the CMH announcement is a 5k on Runway 28R for October. A Columbus Dispatch reporter on Twitter also knows that's coming, but is hopeful the announcement is something more impactful than that.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Mon May 29, 2017 9:33 pm

cvgComair wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
Does anyone think we will ever see more west coast destinations from American at CVG. For example PHX and LAX. The frontier PHX flight is almost always full and LAX has lots of connections to anywhere really. Also no source for this, but I feel the rumored DL CVG-LHR flight is not likely. First off RDU's load factors are crazy good for both TATLs. Also I feel it would have been announced earlier which leads me to believe Delta's partners such as KLM or AF might pick up the slots.


When DL pulled the PHX flight, the board specifically said they went to AA trying to get the route, but nothing came of it. PHX is underserved from CVG compared to cities like CMH/CLE/IND, but with AA not growing PHX at the moment, I think WN will probably be the next airline on the route. I feel like UA on CVG-LAX is more likely than AA, but I am not sure I see either carrier on CVG-LAX.

The rumors of DL adding a few routes were quite a while ago, and while I still think its possible farther in the future, we are probably too late in the year for anything like SAN/AUS/MSY/LHR to actually happen. Also, DL just cut SLC-LHR for the Fall/Winter and none of their hubs have good LF's during this time of year to LHR. It makes me wonder why they would buy more LHR slots when they are not anywhere close to fully utilizing the ones they have now, but I agree with you the CVG-LHR is unlikely. DL has a ton of excess slots, on the OAG forum some others were talking about the possibility of VS taking over more routes, so DL might be planning to sell the slots to them.


I'm surprised Frontier doesn't use the 321 on that route. They did for like a month, but they stopped that with the addition of the new flights.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Mon May 29, 2017 10:57 pm

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
Does anyone think we will ever see more west coast destinations from American at CVG. For example PHX and LAX. The frontier PHX flight is almost always full and LAX has lots of connections to anywhere really. Also no source for this, but I feel the rumored DL CVG-LHR flight is not likely. First off RDU's load factors are crazy good for both TATLs. Also I feel it would have been announced earlier which leads me to believe Delta's partners such as KLM or AF might pick up the slots.


When DL pulled the PHX flight, the board specifically said they went to AA trying to get the route, but nothing came of it. PHX is underserved from CVG compared to cities like CMH/CLE/IND, but with AA not growing PHX at the moment, I think WN will probably be the next airline on the route. I feel like UA on CVG-LAX is more likely than AA, but I am not sure I see either carrier on CVG-LAX.

The rumors of DL adding a few routes were quite a while ago, and while I still think its possible farther in the future, we are probably too late in the year for anything like SAN/AUS/MSY/LHR to actually happen. Also, DL just cut SLC-LHR for the Fall/Winter and none of their hubs have good LF's during this time of year to LHR. It makes me wonder why they would buy more LHR slots when they are not anywhere close to fully utilizing the ones they have now, but I agree with you the CVG-LHR is unlikely. DL has a ton of excess slots, on the OAG forum some others were talking about the possibility of VS taking over more routes, so DL might be planning to sell the slots to them.


I'm surprised Frontier doesn't use the 321 on that route. They did for like a month, but they stopped that with the addition of the new flights.


Frontier's West Coast flights are doing great from the numbers I've seen. They opted for higher frequency over larger planes but I have a feeling they'll be upping the capacity again as soon as they have the spare planes. I could also see SAN going to daily too if the current capacity keeps up. I'm also predicting that they'll add SEA from CVG within the next year. Probably start it like SAN with it only being 3-4 times a week.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Mon May 29, 2017 11:00 pm

AirportRival wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:

When DL pulled the PHX flight, the board specifically said they went to AA trying to get the route, but nothing came of it. PHX is underserved from CVG compared to cities like CMH/CLE/IND, but with AA not growing PHX at the moment, I think WN will probably be the next airline on the route. I feel like UA on CVG-LAX is more likely than AA, but I am not sure I see either carrier on CVG-LAX.

The rumors of DL adding a few routes were quite a while ago, and while I still think its possible farther in the future, we are probably too late in the year for anything like SAN/AUS/MSY/LHR to actually happen. Also, DL just cut SLC-LHR for the Fall/Winter and none of their hubs have good LF's during this time of year to LHR. It makes me wonder why they would buy more LHR slots when they are not anywhere close to fully utilizing the ones they have now, but I agree with you the CVG-LHR is unlikely. DL has a ton of excess slots, on the OAG forum some others were talking about the possibility of VS taking over more routes, so DL might be planning to sell the slots to them.


I'm surprised Frontier doesn't use the 321 on that route. They did for like a month, but they stopped that with the addition of the new flights.


Frontier's West Coast flights are doing great from the numbers I've seen. They opted for higher frequency over larger planes but I have a feeling they'll be upping the capacity again as soon as they have the spare planes. I could also see SAN going to daily too if the current capacity keeps up. I'm also predicting that they'll add SEA from CVG within the next year. Probably start it like SAN with it only being 3-4 times a week.


What about portland since we dont have any flights there
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Mon May 29, 2017 11:16 pm

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
AirportRival wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:

I'm surprised Frontier doesn't use the 321 on that route. They did for like a month, but they stopped that with the addition of the new flights.


Frontier's West Coast flights are doing great from the numbers I've seen. They opted for higher frequency over larger planes but I have a feeling they'll be upping the capacity again as soon as they have the spare planes. I could also see SAN going to daily too if the current capacity keeps up. I'm also predicting that they'll add SEA from CVG within the next year. Probably start it like SAN with it only being 3-4 times a week.


What about portland since we dont have any flights there


In my opinion PDX has a smaller chance of being added. Of course, I never would have thought that Frontier would add MSP but they have so you just never know.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Mon May 29, 2017 11:42 pm

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
AirportRival wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:

I'm surprised Frontier doesn't use the 321 on that route. They did for like a month, but they stopped that with the addition of the new flights.


Frontier's West Coast flights are doing great from the numbers I've seen. They opted for higher frequency over larger planes but I have a feeling they'll be upping the capacity again as soon as they have the spare planes. I could also see SAN going to daily too if the current capacity keeps up. I'm also predicting that they'll add SEA from CVG within the next year. Probably start it like SAN with it only being 3-4 times a week.


What about portland since we dont have any flights there


Alaska Airlines doesn't yet serve CVG, but does have opportunities to expand from CVG to its SEA and PDX Pacific Northwest hubs.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue May 30, 2017 12:03 am

AirportRival wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
AirportRival wrote:

Frontier's West Coast flights are doing great from the numbers I've seen. They opted for higher frequency over larger planes but I have a feeling they'll be upping the capacity again as soon as they have the spare planes. I could also see SAN going to daily too if the current capacity keeps up. I'm also predicting that they'll add SEA from CVG within the next year. Probably start it like SAN with it only being 3-4 times a week.


What about portland since we dont have any flights there


In my opinion PDX has a smaller chance of being added. Of course, I never would have thought that Frontier would add MSP but they have so you just never know.


I think it is possible, CLE has a seasonal flight to PDX that remains pretty full, so I don't see why CVG couldn't pull it off as well.

On another note, when is AS coming to Ohio. For the last couple years I have expected them to come to CMH but still no sign of any nonstop flights?
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue May 30, 2017 12:06 am

It looks like DL CVG-SEA will resume on April 4 with the A319, usually it begins in Early June. Also the 3rd daily CVG-PHL/CLT have been restored in the future schedule, previously the routes were to be cut-down to 2x/day and CVG-IAH/YYZ was restored to 2x/day after originally being reduced to 1x/day in the future schedule.

Humorously XNA-CVG is being subbed by a MD-88 tomorrow, that is going to be one empty flight!
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue May 30, 2017 12:24 am

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One suggestion is the CMH announcement is a 5k on Runway 28R for October. A Columbus Dispatch reporter on Twitter also knows that's coming, but is hopeful the announcement is something more impactful than that.


Like an actual 5K run? Or am I missing/not getting something?

If so, that'll be a major disappointment.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue May 30, 2017 1:41 am

Midwestindy wrote:
AirportRival wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:

What about portland since we dont have any flights there


In my opinion PDX has a smaller chance of being added. Of course, I never would have thought that Frontier would add MSP but they have so you just never know.


I think it is possible, CLE has a seasonal flight to PDX that remains pretty full, so I don't see why CVG couldn't pull it off as well.

On another note, when is AS coming to Ohio. For the last couple years I have expected them to come to CMH but still no sign of any nonstop flights?


The real question is when is JetBlue coming to CVG. They practically announced and pulled out in 2015.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue May 30, 2017 1:43 am

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It looks like DL CVG-SEA will resume on April 4 with the A319, usually it begins in Early June. Also the 3rd daily CVG-PHL/CLT have been restored in the future schedule, previously the routes were to be cut-down to 2x/day and CVG-IAH/YYZ was restored to 2x/day after originally being reduced to 1x/day in the future schedule.

Humorously XNA-CVG is being subbed by a MD-88 tomorrow, that is going to be one empty flight!


It's scheduled as a CRJ-900 on deltas website. Which already is an upgrade. It's not that bad everything is booked but delta comfort which people will be upgraded too and maybe a few stragglers will fill the economy.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue May 30, 2017 1:45 am

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
It looks like DL CVG-SEA will resume on April 4 with the A319, usually it begins in Early June. Also the 3rd daily CVG-PHL/CLT have been restored in the future schedule, previously the routes were to be cut-down to 2x/day and CVG-IAH/YYZ was restored to 2x/day after originally being reduced to 1x/day in the future schedule.

Humorously XNA-CVG is being subbed by a MD-88 tomorrow, that is going to be one empty flight!


It's scheduled as a CRJ-900 on deltas website. Which already is an upgrade. It's not that bad everything is booked but delta comfort which people will be upgraded too and maybe a few stragglers will fill the economy.


Reverse the direction, CVG-XNA is a CRJ-900 and XNA-CVG is a MD-88 tomorrow. The MD-88 subs on CVG-ORD later that night.
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Tue May 30, 2017 2:10 am

Briancw wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
One suggestion is the CMH announcement is a 5k on Runway 28R for October. A Columbus Dispatch reporter on Twitter also knows that's coming, but is hopeful the announcement is something more impactful than that.


Like an actual 5K run? Or am I missing/not getting something?

If so, that'll be a major disappointment.


An actual 5K running race. The Facebook post is gone (Twitter post was still there), so I get the feeling we've just been teased badly. :(
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue May 30, 2017 2:15 am

I suppose it is not a coincidence that the picture on Twitter is of Runway 28R, that would be really disappointing.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue May 30, 2017 3:44 am

cvgComair wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
It looks like DL CVG-SEA will resume on April 4 with the A319, usually it begins in Early June. Also the 3rd daily CVG-PHL/CLT have been restored in the future schedule, previously the routes were to be cut-down to 2x/day and CVG-IAH/YYZ was restored to 2x/day after originally being reduced to 1x/day in the future schedule.

Humorously XNA-CVG is being subbed by a MD-88 tomorrow, that is going to be one empty flight!


It's scheduled as a CRJ-900 on deltas website. Which already is an upgrade. It's not that bad everything is booked but delta comfort which people will be upgraded too and maybe a few stragglers will fill the economy.


Reverse the direction, CVG-XNA is a CRJ-900 and XNA-CVG is a MD-88 tomorrow. The MD-88 subs on CVG-ORD later that night.


Oh boy just looked at that and yes it is very empty.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue May 30, 2017 1:38 pm

CVG-CDG loads are looking very good lately.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed May 31, 2017 4:51 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
Briancw wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
One suggestion is the CMH announcement is a 5k on Runway 28R for October. A Columbus Dispatch reporter on Twitter also knows that's coming, but is hopeful the announcement is something more impactful than that.


Like an actual 5K run? Or am I missing/not getting something?

If so, that'll be a major disappointment.


An actual 5K running race. The Facebook post is gone (Twitter post was still there), so I get the feeling we've just been teased badly. :(


Yeah, that's more than a little disappointing. I mean, I'm happy that they're going to have a race, and I might try to run in it, but that's not quite what avgeeks had in mind for this announcement.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed May 31, 2017 5:52 pm

http://www.whio.com/news/breaking-news/ ... 2dabKZz2I/

I almost don't want to share this. After the CMH virtual striptease I didn't think the beloved buckeye state could pull off something even more traumatic and inane, but here we have it. Two Ohio State Legislators want to build DFW style airports in Ohio: 2 of them! I checked twice to see if this was a late April fools joke, apparently it isn't. Godspeed to them and I think this may get about 250 snarky replies (if not more)
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed May 31, 2017 5:58 pm

brooklynchris13 wrote:
http://www.whio.com/news/breaking-news/major-regional-airports-proposed/jRho5YFwq0JX72dabKZz2I/

I almost don't want to share this. After the CMH virtual striptease I didn't think the beloved buckeye state could pull off something even more traumatic and inane, but here we have it. Two Ohio State Legislators want to build DFW style airports in Ohio: 2 of them! I checked twice to see if this was a late April fools joke, apparently it isn't. Godspeed to them and I think this may get about 250 snarky replies (if not more)


Im convinced this is a joke "Butler estimates the cost at $10 billion to $15 billion to construct the airports and railroad system and it would be paid for with airport bonds and possibly federal funds." This will NEVER EVER IN A MILLION years happen. Ohio just can't catch a break!
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed May 31, 2017 6:08 pm

It would almost be cheaper to reconfigure ILN into a passenger facility than build a brand new airport, especially given the Jeffersonville proposal.

"Each airport would only be built if one of the country’s major airlines commits to put a hub there, said Butler."

The only airline which would conceivably do it, in the most remote way possible, is B6 for a Midwest hub, but why build a new airport when they could use an existing one?

"Butler believes the two hubs will not kill the airports now existing in cities like Dayton and Columbus, in Kentucky south of Cincinnati, and Ohio’s other large cities. Rather, said Butler, smaller airlines will continue to fly out of those cities."

What "smaller airlines"? AA, AC, B6, DL, F9, G4, NK, UA, and WN are the airlines which have service to at least one Ohio airport. That's pretty much America's airline offering since mergermania and they're all large. The only one which isn't here yet is AS. Do they really think AA/AC/DL/F9/UA/WN are going to uproot from an airport 9 miles from Downtown Columbus in favor of Jeffersonville?
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed May 31, 2017 6:32 pm

What "smaller airlines"? AA, AC, B6, DL, F9, G4, NK, UA, and WN are the airlines which have service to at least one Ohio airport. That's pretty much America's airline offering since mergermania and they're all large. The only one which isn't here yet is AS. Do they really think AA/AC/DL/F9/UA/WN are going to uproot from an airport 9 miles from Downtown Columbus in favor of Jeffersonville?

I hate to say this, but I would not be shocked if this is an attempt to drive up land prices in those areas or some such thing. It is soooooo out of left field, there has to be some other reason for this.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed May 31, 2017 6:51 pm

brooklynchris13 wrote:
What "smaller airlines"? AA, AC, B6, DL, F9, G4, NK, UA, and WN are the airlines which have service to at least one Ohio airport. That's pretty much America's airline offering since mergermania and they're all large. The only one which isn't here yet is AS. Do they really think AA/AC/DL/F9/UA/WN are going to uproot from an airport 9 miles from Downtown Columbus in favor of Jeffersonville?

I hate to say this, but I would not be shocked if this is an attempt to drive up land prices in those areas or some such thing. It is soooooo out of left field, there has to be some other reason for this.


That's what it smells like. Or, these are two dudes who thought it sounded like a good idea when discussing it over a few beers.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed May 31, 2017 6:51 pm

brooklynchris13 wrote:
http://www.whio.com/news/breaking-news/major-regional-airports-proposed/jRho5YFwq0JX72dabKZz2I/

I almost don't want to share this. After the CMH virtual striptease I didn't think the beloved buckeye state could pull off something even more traumatic and inane, but here we have it. Two Ohio State Legislators want to build DFW style airports in Ohio: 2 of them! I checked twice to see if this was a late April fools joke, apparently it isn't. Godspeed to them and I think this may get about 250 snarky replies (if not more)


Let me get this straight. These guys want to build a "DFW style hub" in Jeffersonville. That would make it a SIXTH major airport with at least one 10K+ runway within a 100 or less miles from it. Not only did DL pull out of CVG as a hub years ago (a mere 75 miles down the road), this would absolutely put the knife into Clinton Co and the ILN Airpark.

There ought to be random drug testing for politicians if they think this is "in the best interests of Ohio"

You want to do something good for Ohio?? How about taking some of that $15B and do a solid for ILN. Oh, and while your at it, put some REAL money into building a first class replacement for the 71/75 Brent Spence Bridge. (Sorry, I guess that last part should go in "Roadsdotnet" :roll: )
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed May 31, 2017 7:13 pm

There are enough runways serving Ohio. If it's burning a hole in your pocket, spend the $15B on rail links connecting the major metros and their airports. Growing a catchment area with improved rail will do more to convince an airline to add service than building a redundant airport.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed May 31, 2017 7:34 pm

@DeltaRules,

Did you have any context around this story?

http://abc6onyourside.com/news/local/fl ... t-columbus

It's a local Columbus tv news clip I saw back in December 2015 teasing the long-rumored (but never materialized) nonstop to Europe and how it seemed to be coming to fruition. Not that it matters anyways since we know the outcome, but since you had the scoop on the 5K, I thought I'd ask...I've always wondered if this piece was just filling time or if there was actually something to it.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed May 31, 2017 9:42 pm

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Getting close to that time.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed May 31, 2017 10:30 pm

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Getting close to that time.


Here we go! Hopefully this is the start of something big.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:17 pm

Briancw wrote:
@DeltaRules,

Did you have any context around this story?

http://abc6onyourside.com/news/local/fl ... t-columbus

It's a local Columbus tv news clip I saw back in December 2015 teasing the long-rumored (but never materialized) nonstop to Europe and how it seemed to be coming to fruition. Not that it matters anyways since we know the outcome, but since you had the scoop on the 5K, I thought I'd ask...I've always wondered if this piece was just filling time or if there was actually something to it.


I referenced that story in the thread I made regarding the "exciting announcement"- I think there was another TV or Dispatch story before that as well. The only "source" I have is a Dispatch business writer who seems to do most of the CMH/LCK stories and with whom I've interacted with on Twitter. She and somebody in the Central Ohio Spotters Facebook group were the two who knew about the 5k and figured it was what they were going to announce.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:50 pm

Airport Rival previously made a great spreadsheet on PPD numbers, I made made something similar using the new Q4 data avg comparing demand per day vs. avg seats offered per day:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

NOTE: Routes such as MYR/SAN/SEA did not have any seats in Q4 '16.

When you look at this, it is clear why UA is entering SFO, there is a ton of unmet demand! Also, LAX is very underserved, part of it is the other airports in Los Angeles (ONT/LGB/SNA), but it still seems like there is enough room for UA, AA, or even WN to add a daily flight.

As for WN, it looks like there is actually room on LAX, LAS, FLL, MCO, PHX, TPA, and RSW to add flights. A Saturday MSY also looks promising, like CMH/IND/RDU/PIT, the demand is there. Routes like HOU/DAL/STL/BNA/MCI are currently fully served (or not enough to fill a 737), but they could potentially grow these markets and take advantage of passengers that will connect in these cities.

As for B6, there is certainly demand to FLL/MCO, but there is demand to BOS as well. In theory it looks like they would be able to serve CVG successfully.

As for F9, there is demand on SAN for the route to go daily, plus SEA/PDX have enough demand to sustain a daily flight.

As for DL, they added more capacity on routes they already serve, where demand is unmet. In the future, there is enough capacity on DFW/TPA/BOS/MCO/RSW/LAX/SFO/SEA/BDL/MCI that they could increase frequency and upgauge aircraft on these routes. For new routes, there is enough capacity for DL to add A319's on SAN/PHX + PDX (Summer Seasonal), CR9's on MSY/AUS/MIA, CR7's on SAT, and CR2's on JAX. With connecting passengers, flights to CHS/ORF/RIC/OMA/ALB/GSO/MDT/MSN/BUF/GRR/GSP would be possible on CR2's. Interestingly enough, PIT has service to RIC/ALB and CLE has service to CHS. While I don't see any of these CR2 routes coming back on DL, airlines such as UE or J1 could make some of these work.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Jun 01, 2017 5:14 pm

cvgComair wrote:
Airport Rival previously made a great spreadsheet on PPD numbers, I made made something similar using the new Q4 data avg comparing demand per day vs. avg seats offered per day:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

NOTE: Routes such as MYR/SAN/SEA did not have any seats in Q4 '16.

When you look at this, it is clear why UA is entering SFO, there is a ton of unmet demand! Also, LAX is very underserved, part of it is the other airports in Los Angeles (ONT/LGB/SNA), but it still seems like there is enough room for UA, AA, or even WN to add a daily flight.

As for WN, it looks like there is actually room on LAX, LAS, FLL, MCO, PHX, TPA, and RSW to add flights. A Saturday MSY also looks promising, like CMH/IND/RDU/PIT, the demand is there. Routes like HOU/DAL/STL/BNA/MCI are currently fully served (or not enough to fill a 737), but they could potentially grow these markets and take advantage of passengers that will connect in these cities.

As for B6, there is certainly demand to FLL/MCO, but there is demand to BOS as well. In theory it looks like they would be able to serve CVG successfully.

As for F9, there is demand on SAN for the route to go daily, plus SEA/PDX have enough demand to sustain a daily flight.

As for DL, they added more capacity on routes they already serve, where demand is unmet. In the future, there is enough capacity on DFW/TPA/BOS/MCO/RSW/LAX/SFO/SEA/BDL/MCI that they could increase frequency and upgauge aircraft on these routes. For new routes, there is enough capacity for DL to add A319's on SAN/PHX + PDX (Summer Seasonal), CR9's on MSY/AUS/MIA, CR7's on SAT, and CR2's on JAX. With connecting passengers, flights to CHS/ORF/RIC/OMA/ALB/GSO/MDT/MSN/BUF/GRR/GSP would be possible on CR2's. Interestingly enough, PIT has service to RIC/ALB and CLE has service to CHS. While I don't see any of these CR2 routes coming back on DL, airlines such as UE or J1 could make some of these work.


Love this! I thought about doing something like this when I first started my spreadsheet but ended up changing it to what I have now. I didn't know 2016 Q4 was out so I'll update mine soon and reshare it.

I love seeing how the airport is doing as far as how markets are covered and the demand that markets have.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:38 pm

cvgComair wrote:
Airport Rival previously made a great spreadsheet on PPD numbers, I made made something similar using the new Q4 data avg comparing demand per day vs. avg seats offered per day:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

NOTE: Routes such as MYR/SAN/SEA did not have any seats in Q4 '16.

When you look at this, it is clear why UA is entering SFO, there is a ton of unmet demand! Also, LAX is very underserved, part of it is the other airports in Los Angeles (ONT/LGB/SNA), but it still seems like there is enough room for UA, AA, or even WN to add a daily flight.

As for WN, it looks like there is actually room on LAX, LAS, FLL, MCO, PHX, TPA, and RSW to add flights. A Saturday MSY also looks promising, like CMH/IND/RDU/PIT, the demand is there. Routes like HOU/DAL/STL/BNA/MCI are currently fully served (or not enough to fill a 737), but they could potentially grow these markets and take advantage of passengers that will connect in these cities.

As for B6, there is certainly demand to FLL/MCO, but there is demand to BOS as well. In theory it looks like they would be able to serve CVG successfully.

As for F9, there is demand on SAN for the route to go daily, plus SEA/PDX have enough demand to sustain a daily flight.

As for DL, they added more capacity on routes they already serve, where demand is unmet. In the future, there is enough capacity on DFW/TPA/BOS/MCO/RSW/LAX/SFO/SEA/BDL/MCI that they could increase frequency and upgauge aircraft on these routes. For new routes, there is enough capacity for DL to add A319's on SAN/PHX + PDX (Summer Seasonal), CR9's on MSY/AUS/MIA, CR7's on SAT, and CR2's on JAX. With connecting passengers, flights to CHS/ORF/RIC/OMA/ALB/GSO/MDT/MSN/BUF/GRR/GSP would be possible on CR2's. Interestingly enough, PIT has service to RIC/ALB and CLE has service to CHS. While I don't see any of these CR2 routes coming back on DL, airlines such as UE or J1 could make some of these work.


I know it doesn't work like this, but guys these excellent spread sheets have to go somewhere. Like PDX is SCREAMING. I know it's not really possible but these sheets deserve to be given to the airport or airline. This is very impressive.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:19 pm

cvgComair wrote:
Airport Rival previously made a great spreadsheet on PPD numbers, I made made something similar using the new Q4 data avg comparing demand per day vs. avg seats offered per day:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

NOTE: Routes such as MYR/SAN/SEA did not have any seats in Q4 '16.

When you look at this, it is clear why UA is entering SFO, there is a ton of unmet demand! Also, LAX is very underserved, part of it is the other airports in Los Angeles (ONT/LGB/SNA), but it still seems like there is enough room for UA, AA, or even WN to add a daily flight.

As for WN, it looks like there is actually room on LAX, LAS, FLL, MCO, PHX, TPA, and RSW to add flights. A Saturday MSY also looks promising, like CMH/IND/RDU/PIT, the demand is there. Routes like HOU/DAL/STL/BNA/MCI are currently fully served (or not enough to fill a 737), but they could potentially grow these markets and take advantage of passengers that will connect in these cities.

As for B6, there is certainly demand to FLL/MCO, but there is demand to BOS as well. In theory it looks like they would be able to serve CVG successfully.

As for F9, there is demand on SAN for the route to go daily, plus SEA/PDX have enough demand to sustain a daily flight.

As for DL, they added more capacity on routes they already serve, where demand is unmet. In the future, there is enough capacity on DFW/TPA/BOS/MCO/RSW/LAX/SFO/SEA/BDL/MCI that they could increase frequency and upgauge aircraft on these routes. For new routes, there is enough capacity for DL to add A319's on SAN/PHX + PDX (Summer Seasonal), CR9's on MSY/AUS/MIA, CR7's on SAT, and CR2's on JAX. With connecting passengers, flights to CHS/ORF/RIC/OMA/ALB/GSO/MDT/MSN/BUF/GRR/GSP would be possible on CR2's. Interestingly enough, PIT has service to RIC/ALB and CLE has service to CHS. While I don't see any of these CR2 routes coming back on DL, airlines such as UE or J1 could make some of these work.


There might be enough demand for Southwest to do CVG-DAL nonstop service for various reasons, including the following:
  • There has been a significant increase in demand for Dallas-Cincinnati flights after the repeal of the Wright Amendment.
  • Southwest might be able do 1-stop direct flights with no change of planes between CVG and San Antonio, the largest city in the U.S. that is without nonstop service from CVG, if it adds CVG-DAL nonstop service.
  • The only nonstop service between CVG and AUS is on Allegiant, and the Allegiant CVG-AUS nonstops only operate on Sundays and Thursdays. Southwest can provide Cincinnati-area travelers with easier access to AUS if it adds CVG-DAL nonstop service.
  • Southwest can provide connections through DAL to 3 cities in the West Texas region that Delta Air Lines does not even serve (Amarillo, Lubbock, and Midland/Odessa).
  • Frontier only operates CVG-DFW nonstop service seasonally and only on Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays, and Saturdays.
  • Delta Air Lines only operates CVG-DFW nonstop service on weekdays and Sundays and does not currently operate CVG-DFW nonstop service on Saturdays.
  • Delta Air Lines is down to 2 daily nonstops between CVG-DFW on Sundays, Tuesdays, and Wednesdays but still does 3 daily nonstops between CVG-DFW on Mondays, Thursdays, and Fridays.
  • American Airlines will be retiring its last MD-80 planes next year, and there might be fewer seats available on AA DFW-CVG nonstop flights after it retires its remaining MD-80 planes unless AA adds additional flights between CVG-DFW or operates planes larger than the A319 between CVG and DFW.
  • Southwest now has the capability to do CVG-DAL nonstop service on a less than daily schedule and on only certain days of the week with Southwest's transition over to the Amadeus Altea reservation system, even though Southwest would probably do CVG-DAL nonstop service all 7 days of the week if it added CVG-DAL nonstop service.
  • Southwest actually does business with Cincinnati-based CFM International, who supplies the engines for its Boeing 737 planes, and with Cincinnati-based Cintas, who supplies uniforms to Southwest Airlines employees. There are probably Southwest Airlines employees who travel between Dallas and CVG in connection with the business that is conducted between Southwest Airlines and these two Cincinnati-based companies, and Southwest would prefer to fly its employees to and CVG on Southwest instead of a competitor's flights after Southwest begins service to CVG.

There might be enough demand for Southwest to do CVG-STL service because Southwest might be able to provide Cincinnati-area travelers with connections to cities that are no longer served nonstop from CVG, including Des Moines, Oklahoma City, Omaha, Portland (OR), San Antonio, Tulsa, and Wichita through STL if it adds CVG-STL nonstops. Southwest had discontinued nonstop service from MDW to DSM, TUL, and ICT last year, and Southwest currently only does 1 nonstop a day between MDW and OKC.

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