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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:15 am

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In other news, Ultimate Air Shuttle is adding a second daily flight between LUK and MDW Monday thru Friday. They are gonna have a decent sized operation at LUK if they keep growing. I would love to get on with them so that I would have the opportunity to grow with them.


Nevermind, after comparing the new schedule to the old I can see that they have really only added a second daily flight on Tuesday's. They already operated the route twice daily on M, W, Th, & F.

They have made some changes to the website that I really like. The front page has an animated route map.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:14 pm

Allegiant has announced that it will be adding CVG-Boston/Providence in November twice weekly.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:59 pm

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Allegiant has announced that it will be adding CVG-Boston/Providence in November twice weekly.


Flying to T.F Green Airport in Providence
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:59 pm

(CONFIRMED) Trump will be flying his 75 to LUK
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:02 pm

According to the local news from yesterday (5/5/17), the POTUS is expected at LUK on 5/7. In the past the POTUS always used CVG. Spotting is near impossible since they close all the roads in the area as well as the viewing area off Donaldson Road. There's a TFR issued from 4:00 PM and 6:00 PM for the CVG airspace. Would be nice to get a photograph for a.net of AF1 at CVG!
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:08 pm

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According to the local news from yesterday (5/5/17), the POTUS is expected at LUK on 5/7. In the past the POTUS always used CVG. Spotting is near impossible since they close all the roads in the area as well as the viewing area off Donaldson Road. There's a TFR issued from 4:00 PM and 6:00 PM for the CVG airspace. Would be nice to get a photograph for a.net of AF1 at CVG!


So your saying he's coming to CVG and it was fake news?
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:24 pm

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Allegiant has announced that it will be adding CVG-Boston/Providence in November twice weekly.


Nice, that was a hole waiting to be filled by LCC service, and it adds another destination back!
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Jun 06, 2017 3:32 pm

I also heard that Allegiant will be adding two more destinations in November. Both are West Coast. One is currently served while the other is not.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Jun 06, 2017 3:36 pm

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jelpee wrote:
According to the local news from yesterday (5/5/17), the POTUS is expected at LUK on 5/7. In the past the POTUS always used CVG. Spotting is near impossible since they close all the roads in the area as well as the viewing area off Donaldson Road. There's a TFR issued from 4:00 PM and 6:00 PM for the CVG airspace. Would be nice to get a photograph for a.net of AF1 at CVG!


So your saying he's coming to CVG and it was fake news?


I said it was reported that he's landing at LUK. I think the TFR includes CVG and LUK. Not sure there was any "fake news" contained anywhere :)
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:15 pm

I really think that G4 being at LCK instead of CMH is hurting them in the Columbus market. Rickenbacker is much more out of the way for most of the metro, and provides practically no exposure/marketing to even make people aware that it's there. Anyone see a chance they might move to Port Columbus in the future?
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:39 pm

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I also heard that Allegiant will be adding two more destinations in November. Both are West Coast. One is currently served while the other is not.


I would love to see LAX, and I would think it would be at the top of the list, SAN seems like too limited of a market for both F9/G4. I know that BLI/OAK/ABQ have also been brought up, so I would expect one of these to be the second destination.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:38 pm

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I really think that G4 being at LCK instead of CMH is hurting them in the Columbus market. Rickenbacker is much more out of the way for most of the metro, and provides practically no exposure/marketing to even make people aware that it's there. Anyone see a chance they might move to Port Columbus in the future?


It would be nice. But, I think it's unlikely - operating expenses are much lower at LCK vs. CMH.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:27 pm

cvgComair wrote:
AirportRival wrote:
I also heard that Allegiant will be adding two more destinations in November. Both are West Coast. One is currently served while the other is not.


I would love to see LAX, and I would think it would be at the top of the list, SAN seems like too limited of a market for both F9/G4. I know that BLI/OAK/ABQ have also been brought up, so I would expect one of these to be the second destination.


Hmmm, is there a market for CVG-BLI, BLI is 2 hours away from Seattle(without traffic) and an hour and 20 minutes from Vancouver(without accounting for boarder crossing and traffic). I understand that G4 has a decent presence at BLI, but all of the routes from BLI are to the west coast. OAK seems like a lock, and another possibility could be SAT.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:14 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
AirportRival wrote:
I also heard that Allegiant will be adding two more destinations in November. Both are West Coast. One is currently served while the other is not.


I would love to see LAX, and I would think it would be at the top of the list, SAN seems like too limited of a market for both F9/G4. I know that BLI/OAK/ABQ have also been brought up, so I would expect one of these to be the second destination.


Hmmm, is there a market for CVG-BLI, BLI is 2 hours away from Seattle(without traffic) and an hour and 20 minutes from Vancouver(without accounting for boarder crossing and traffic). I understand that G4 has a decent presence at BLI, but all of the routes from BLI are to the west coast. OAK seems like a lock, and another possibility could be SAT.


As we have seen before CVG can be Allegiant's first route to an airport. So we might see something like PDX and LAX.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:18 pm

Also as you guys probably know SWA is updating their schedule June 22nd. Anyone have any ideas for that route for CVG or CLE or even CMH. I really thing CVG will get more flights due to SWA wanting so many gates and we know SWA can fly 12 flights a day from 1 gate. So even from 2 gates I guess there only about 40% to their capacity.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:23 pm

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
cvgComair wrote:

I would love to see LAX, and I would think it would be at the top of the list, SAN seems like too limited of a market for both F9/G4. I know that BLI/OAK/ABQ have also been brought up, so I would expect one of these to be the second destination.


Hmmm, is there a market for CVG-BLI, BLI is 2 hours away from Seattle(without traffic) and an hour and 20 minutes from Vancouver(without accounting for boarder crossing and traffic). I understand that G4 has a decent presence at BLI, but all of the routes from BLI are to the west coast. OAK seems like a lock, and another possibility could be SAT.


As we have seen before CVG can be Allegiant's first route to an airport. So we might see something like PDX and LAX.


Also OAK is an Allegiant hub.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:25 pm

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
cvgComair wrote:

I would love to see LAX, and I would think it would be at the top of the list, SAN seems like too limited of a market for both F9/G4. I know that BLI/OAK/ABQ have also been brought up, so I would expect one of these to be the second destination.


Hmmm, is there a market for CVG-BLI, BLI is 2 hours away from Seattle(without traffic) and an hour and 20 minutes from Vancouver(without accounting for boarder crossing and traffic). I understand that G4 has a decent presence at BLI, but all of the routes from BLI are to the west coast. OAK seems like a lock, and another possibility could be SAT.


As we have seen before CVG can be Allegiant's first route to an airport. So we might see something like PDX and LAX.


I forgot about LAX, however it is definitely a huge gap for G4 at CVG, considering G4 operates 27 nonstops out of LAX. I think 1.LAX 2.OAK 3.SAT or PDX 4.ABQ 5.BLI
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:35 pm

Also just calculated the mileage. Norwegian 738 Maxes could easily make it to Ireland and the U.K. Maybe one day we could see them at CVG.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:04 pm

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Hmmm, is there a market for CVG-BLI, BLI is 2 hours away from Seattle(without traffic) and an hour and 20 minutes from Vancouver(without accounting for boarder crossing and traffic). I understand that G4 has a decent presence at BLI, but all of the routes from BLI are to the west coast. OAK seems like a lock, and another possibility could be SAT.


Back when this was originally discussed, the purpose of serving BLI was a low-cost alternative to SEA and YVR. Not only are tickets expensive to these cities, but rental cars a fortune and probably unaffordable for most people who fly G4. BLI has much more reasonable operating costs and rental cars are significantly cheaper, making it much more attractive to serve from the region. I agree though, I think BLI is at the bottom of the list.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:58 am

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Also as you guys probably know SWA is updating their schedule June 22nd. Anyone have any ideas for that route for CVG or CLE or even CMH. I really thing CVG will get more flights due to SWA wanting so many gates and we know SWA can fly 12 flights a day from 1 gate. So even from 2 gates I guess there only about 40% to their capacity.


I am guessing any adds for WN at CVG at this point will be to stations with lots of connections. BNA/STL/DEN/PHX/LAS or other stations like that. I don't know how much service you already have to PHX and LAS though so they might not make as much sense as the others. I assume you already have a lot to Denver but WN seems to not mind connecting a lot of people through there. I doubt they are ready to make the OAK leap yet at this point before adding the other ones in between.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Jun 07, 2017 1:27 pm

Here is a completely unfeasible and spectacularly bad plan for Ohio airports:
http://wksu.org/post/ohio-lawmaker-want ... s#stream/0
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Jun 07, 2017 1:49 pm

I hadn't seen the maps for their service areas until the updated article. Apparently, Toledo and a thin swath in the middle of the state are not invited.

Still, shutter basically every major airport in the state in favor of two superhubs in the middle of nowhere. Connect them to the cities by rail service after the CLE-CMH-DAY-CVG train couldn't get funded. These guys must've been working on this just to say they were getting something done.

I liked the reference to keeping existing airports open to "smaller airlines", which demonstrates a complete, yet unsurprising for a politician, lack of understanding of the current nature of the industry. If you force AA, AC, B6, DL, F9, G4, NK, UA, and WN (at least two of which would have to set up hubs for the project to go) TO SuperAirport Ohio, who's left?

And why not just use ILN for the SW Ohio project? It's already there. Convert it to a passenger facility. This isn't hard.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Jun 07, 2017 1:59 pm

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Also as you guys probably know SWA is updating their schedule June 22nd. Anyone have any ideas for that route for CVG or CLE or even CMH. I really thing CVG will get more flights due to SWA wanting so many gates and we know SWA can fly 12 flights a day from 1 gate. So even from 2 gates I guess there only about 40% to their capacity.


If WN wants to become the "hometown carrier" in those airports, they are going to need to beef up their nonstop options to the west coast (especially from CMH).

WN could make LAX-CMH work, maybe even MCI-CMH as well (since IND can support 2x daily I don't see why CMH wouldn't be able to), I could also see a variety of other options: CMH-SEA/PDX/AUS/MKE .

WN at CVG will be interesting, because G4/F9/DL are camped out on flights to traditional WN cities. However, CVG-MKE/BNA/STL/DAL/MSY/TPA all seem within the realm of possibility, I am probably leaving some out though.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:16 pm

cledaybuck wrote:
Here is a completely unfeasible and spectacularly bad plan for Ohio airports:
http://wksu.org/post/ohio-lawmaker-want ... s#stream/0


"Rep. Butler says part of his plan is to ask airlines to pay for construction of the airports in exchange for using them as hubs."

This statement sums up the ignorance of Rep Butler to the airline industry

Airlines don't want this, UA shut down its hub in CLE because of location, why would moving it just down the road change anything

What happens to the billions of dollars in infrastructure in CVG, CLE, and CMH?

I don't think Rep. Butler understands how airline hubs actually work :lol:
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:40 pm

Me and other CVG spotters went to LUK for Trump and got kicked out. The chase is on to find his approach. He is landing at 1130 we think.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:04 pm

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Me and other CVG spotters went to LUK for Trump and got kicked out. The chase is on to find his approach. He is landing at 1130 we think.


Yeah they shutdown all the roads around LUK, your best bet would be the Little Miami Scenic Park, otherwise your pretty much out of luck. They do a good job of keeping people away, that is one of the reason for using LUK :-). I am assuming they will do a very steep approach into LUK and most of the area under the approach is Indian Burial Grounds, so there is not many places to go to.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:10 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
Also as you guys probably know SWA is updating their schedule June 22nd. Anyone have any ideas for that route for CVG or CLE or even CMH. I really thing CVG will get more flights due to SWA wanting so many gates and we know SWA can fly 12 flights a day from 1 gate. So even from 2 gates I guess there only about 40% to their capacity.


If WN wants to become the "hometown carrier" in those airports, they are going to need to beef up their nonstop options to the west coast (especially from CMH).

WN could make LAX-CMH work, maybe even MCI-CMH as well (since IND can support 2x daily I don't see why CMH wouldn't be able to), I could also see a variety of other options: CMH-SEA/PDX/AUS/MKE .

WN at CVG will be interesting, because G4/F9/DL are camped out on flights to traditional WN cities. However, CVG-MKE/BNA/STL/DAL/MSY/TPA all seem within the realm of possibility, I am probably leaving some out though.


Even though LAS is already served nonstop out of CVG on Delta, Allegiant, and Frontier, Delta only does one daily nonstop to LAS out of CVG and Allegiant only does one nonstop per day out of CVG to LAS five days of the week. LAS is one of the top destinations out of CVG, and there is probably enough demand for Southwest to add nonstops to LAS out of CVG with the limited number of nonstops between LAS and CVG. In addition, Southwest would be able to provide Cincinnati-area travelers with access to connections that can easily be made at LAS but that cannot easily be made at MDW, including connections to Reno and some of Southwest's California destinations, if it adds nonstop service to LAS to CVG.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:51 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
Also as you guys probably know SWA is updating their schedule June 22nd. Anyone have any ideas for that route for CVG or CLE or even CMH. I really thing CVG will get more flights due to SWA wanting so many gates and we know SWA can fly 12 flights a day from 1 gate. So even from 2 gates I guess there only about 40% to their capacity.


If WN wants to become the "hometown carrier" in those airports, they are going to need to beef up their nonstop options to the west coast (especially from CMH).

WN could make LAX-CMH work, maybe even MCI-CMH as well (since IND can support 2x daily I don't see why CMH wouldn't be able to), I could also see a variety of other options: CMH-SEA/PDX/AUS/MKE .

WN at CVG will be interesting, because G4/F9/DL are camped out on flights to traditional WN cities. However, CVG-MKE/BNA/STL/DAL/MSY/TPA all seem within the realm of possibility, I am probably leaving some out though.


YX/F9 and DL both offered CMH-MCI at times, but neither had the benefit of potential connections (other than a couple YX E190 flights to the west coast, of which one was the E190 from CMH). WN could take advantage of whatever market exists for O&D plus connections. CMH-LAX would be interesting with DL and AA also on the route. SEA, PDX, AUS, and MKE are currently unserved.

Does anybody really think WN is going to add a pile of destinations 19 days after opening CVG?
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:27 pm

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Does anybody really think WN is going to add a pile of destinations 19 days after opening CVG?


I certainly don't think it will happen in the near-term. I expect 1 or 2 destinations added in the next schedule extension, but at CVG they said they would evaluate traffic for 6-8 months to determine which routes they will expand to. I personally feel WN will wait until Delta responds in some way, either expanding or pulling back. I think WN's comments are trying to get DL to respond by challenging their position. At this point, I am not sure WN is comfortable trying more routes until DL's plans are clear. Here are the scenarios I envision, from most likely to least likely (in my opinion):

Moderate competition by DL and WN: Remain relatively quiet for 6-12 months, then starting small adds by WN, followed closely by small adds from DL, however, most routes are well planned and sustainable rather than rash acts to drive the other carrier out
Neither WN or DL act: DL stays constant ---> WN stays relatively the same, 2-3 new routes in the next 1-2 years (sustained for the long term)
Longterm DL retreat: DL stays constant ---> WN expands steadily with 1-2 routes every few schedule extensions ---> DL dehubs Cincinnati in the 2020-2025 time-range
DL acts first: DL aggressively price matches/increases capacity to ~100 flights/day ---> WN partially or fully retreats
DL and WN aggressively compete: Both DL and WN add routes back and forth, possibly pushing out or reducing G4/F9
WN acts first: WN aggressively adds routes while DL remains constant or dehubs in the 2020-2025 timeframe

Of course there are probably other scenarios, but DL and WN fly to Cincinnati to make money, so I expect a gradual adding of frequencies, routes, and aircraft size. Long term I believe both carriers can coexist, CVG's passenger numbers lag behind comparable cities. Based on population numbers, I expect a leveling out around 9 million passengers a year.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:42 pm

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Here is a completely unfeasible and spectacularly bad plan for Ohio airports:
http://wksu.org/post/ohio-lawmaker-want ... s#stream/0


Spending $15B on two super hubs that no airline wants is dumb. If you're really about attracting new service, you can subsidize a bunch of routes you typically wouldn't get with $15B. My guess this is more about saying you're creating jobs and land deals for the "in crowd".
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:56 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
Also as you guys probably know SWA is updating their schedule June 22nd. Anyone have any ideas for that route for CVG or CLE or even CMH. I really thing CVG will get more flights due to SWA wanting so many gates and we know SWA can fly 12 flights a day from 1 gate. So even from 2 gates I guess there only about 40% to their capacity.


If WN wants to become the "hometown carrier" in those airports, they are going to need to beef up their nonstop options to the west coast (especially from CMH).

WN could make LAX-CMH work, maybe even MCI-CMH as well (since IND can support 2x daily I don't see why CMH wouldn't be able to), I could also see a variety of other options: CMH-SEA/PDX/AUS/MKE .

WN at CVG will be interesting, because G4/F9/DL are camped out on flights to traditional WN cities. However, CVG-MKE/BNA/STL/DAL/MSY/TPA all seem within the realm of possibility, I am probably leaving some out though.


YX/F9 and DL both offered CMH-MCI at times, but neither had the benefit of potential connections (other than a couple YX E190 flights to the west coast, of which one was the E190 from CMH). WN could take advantage of whatever market exists for O&D plus connections. CMH-LAX would be interesting with DL and AA also on the route. SEA, PDX, AUS, and MKE are currently unserved.

Does anybody really think WN is going to add a pile of destinations 19 days after opening CVG?


Southwest Airlines added nonstop flights from its home base at Dallas Love Field to 34 additional destinations within 1 year of the repeal of the Wright Amendment. Southwest started its Denver operation with 3 cities on January 3, 2006, but expanded to 10 cities out of Denver within a year. Southwest started its Boston operation on August 16, 2009 with nonstops to only Chicago-Midway and Baltimore, but expanded into 3 additional cities out of Boston within a year and announced plans to add nonstop service into a 6th city during its 1st year of operation out of Boston. I do expect Southwest to have nonstops to more than just MDW and BWI out of CVG and for Southwest to announce additional routes out of CVG before the end of this year, but I expect Southwest to gradually expand to new destinations out of CVG instead of expanding to additional destinations out of CVG all at once.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:29 pm

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Midwestindy wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
Also as you guys probably know SWA is updating their schedule June 22nd. Anyone have any ideas for that route for CVG or CLE or even CMH. I really thing CVG will get more flights due to SWA wanting so many gates and we know SWA can fly 12 flights a day from 1 gate. So even from 2 gates I guess there only about 40% to their capacity.


If WN wants to become the "hometown carrier" in those airports, they are going to need to beef up their nonstop options to the west coast (especially from CMH).

WN could make LAX-CMH work, maybe even MCI-CMH as well (since IND can support 2x daily I don't see why CMH wouldn't be able to), I could also see a variety of other options: CMH-SEA/PDX/AUS/MKE .

WN at CVG will be interesting, because G4/F9/DL are camped out on flights to traditional WN cities. However, CVG-MKE/BNA/STL/DAL/MSY/TPA all seem within the realm of possibility, I am probably leaving some out though.


YX/F9 and DL both offered CMH-MCI at times, but neither had the benefit of potential connections (other than a couple YX E190 flights to the west coast, of which one was the E190 from CMH). WN could take advantage of whatever market exists for O&D plus connections. CMH-LAX would be interesting with DL and AA also on the route. SEA, PDX, AUS, and MKE are currently unserved.

Does anybody really think WN is going to add a pile of destinations 19 days after opening CVG?


The routes I proposed were for the long term, not the June 22 schedule extension.
ATL BWI BOS CLT MDW ORD CVG DFW DAL DAB DEN DTW FLL RSW GNV BDL HNL IAH IND MCI LAS LAX SDF MEM MIA MKE MSP BNA EWR HVN MSY JFK LGA MCO SFB PHX PHL PVD RDU RAP RIC SLC STL CPS PIE SEA TPA DCA IAD
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:23 pm

I believe the A2 jetbridge went up today. Where will the boarding area be for that gate?
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:04 pm

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
I believe the A2 jetbridge went up today. Where will the boarding area be for that gate?


The boarding area is at the same location as A1. There is a set of closed double doors immediately to the left at the top of the escalator. Here is a diagram of the gate layout:

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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:24 pm

National Cargo is flying to CVG tonight. What is up with DHL using all these different cargo airlines to bring in cargo?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NCR8 ... /PANC/KCVG
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:56 pm

http://www.wcpo.com/news/insider/cvg-te ... ther-areas

It's behind a paywall but you can get a day pass for $1 if you wanna read it.

Essentially, the baggage claim and pick up areas are getting a complete reboot to give the airport a more local feel. New carpet and lighting with new signage, and new doors. Concourse B will get new carpet as well. There is also a plan to change the signage for the levels in the garage and to do away with the fruit names. The long term plan for the garage is to make it a smart parking system. Nothing really ground breaking but it will give stuff a new feel. They are projecting to have it completed no later than March 2018.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:48 pm

CVG-SFO starts today
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:49 pm

cvgComair wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
I believe the A2 jetbridge went up today. Where will the boarding area be for that gate?


The boarding area is at the same location as A1. There is a set of closed double doors immediately to the left at the top of the escalator. Here is a diagram of the gate layout:

Image


What are the gate assignments by airline at this point for Concourse A?
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:53 pm

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cledaybuck wrote:
Here is a completely unfeasible and spectacularly bad plan for Ohio airports:
http://wksu.org/post/ohio-lawmaker-want ... s#stream/0


Spending $15B on two super hubs that no airline wants is dumb. If you're really about attracting new service, you can subsidize a bunch of routes you typically wouldn't get with $15B. My guess this is more about saying you're creating jobs and land deals for the "in crowd".


I agree. One airport serving both Dayton and Cinci should have been built at Middletown to begin with (DFW style - much smaller scale), but that opportunity is lost and the other ideas in this document are just plain dumb.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:35 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
I believe the A2 jetbridge went up today. Where will the boarding area be for that gate?


The boarding area is at the same location as A1. There is a set of closed double doors immediately to the left at the top of the escalator. Here is a diagram of the gate layout:

Image


What are the gate assignments by airline at this point for Concourse A?


A1 - Overflow
A2 - Overflow
A3 - Southwest
A4 - Onejet
A5 - Southwest
A6 - American
A7 - American
A8 - American
A9 - American
A10 - United
A11 - United
A12 - United
A13 - United
A14 - Frontier
A15 - American
A16 - Air Canada
A17 - Overflow/Allegiant
A18 - Frontier
A19 - Allegiant
A21 - Allegiant
A22 - Overflow/Frontier
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:19 am

AirportRival wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
cvgComair wrote:

The boarding area is at the same location as A1. There is a set of closed double doors immediately to the left at the top of the escalator. Here is a diagram of the gate layout:

Image


What are the gate assignments by airline at this point for Concourse A?


A1 - Overflow
A2 - Overflow
A3 - Southwest
A4 - Onejet
A5 - Southwest
A6 - American
A7 - American
A8 - American
A9 - American
A10 - United
A11 - United
A12 - United
A13 - United
A14 - Frontier
A15 - American
A16 - Air Canada
A17 - Overflow/Allegiant
A18 - Frontier
A19 - Allegiant
A21 - Allegiant
A22 - Overflow/Frontier


Believe it or not A22 is "technically" Allegiant but they never use it and Frontier is almost always there.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:33 am

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
AirportRival wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:

What are the gate assignments by airline at this point for Concourse A?


A1 - Overflow
A2 - Overflow
A3 - Southwest
A4 - Onejet
A5 - Southwest
A6 - American
A7 - American
A8 - American
A9 - American
A10 - United
A11 - United
A12 - United
A13 - United
A14 - Frontier
A15 - American
A16 - Air Canada
A17 - Overflow/Allegiant
A18 - Frontier
A19 - Allegiant
A21 - Allegiant
A22 - Overflow/Frontier


Believe it or not A22 is "technically" Allegiant but they never use it and Frontier is almost always there.


I don't who told you that but that is not true.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:29 am

ILNFlyer wrote:
flyingfromcvg wrote:
cledaybuck wrote:
Here is a completely unfeasible and spectacularly bad plan for Ohio airports:
http://wksu.org/post/ohio-lawmaker-want ... s#stream/0


Spending $15B on two super hubs that no airline wants is dumb. If you're really about attracting new service, you can subsidize a bunch of routes you typically wouldn't get with $15B. My guess this is more about saying you're creating jobs and land deals for the "in crowd".


I agree. One airport serving both Dayton and Cinci should have been built at Middletown to begin with (DFW style - much smaller scale), but that opportunity is lost and the other ideas in this document are just plain dumb.


CVG is closer to downtown Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky than an airport located in the Middletown area would be, and many of the business travelers who travel to CVG are going to places that are closer to CVG than an airport in Middletown would be, including to downtown Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky. DAY is also closer to downtown Dayton and the suburbs of Dayton that are to the west, east, and north of Dayton than the Middletown Airport would be. On the other hand, a Middletown airport would be closer to the southern suburbs of Dayton than DAY would be and a Middletown airport would be closer to the northern suburbs of Cincinnati than CVG would be.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:36 am

DeltaRules wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
Apparently Southwest officials said they hope to become Cincinnati's "hometown carrier". That is quite a bold statement, since DL has 50% of the traffic at the airport, assuming DL remains constant, that means they would eventually serve just under 4 million travelers a year to be the largest carrier with a 35% share! I would love it, but I am not so sure we have enough O&D to support that level of service just yet. Apparently comparisons were drawn to St. Louis, Pittsburgh, and Cleveland, all which had large US3(6) hubs and were dehubbed. This just seems a little too ambitious, but I never though G4/F9 would grow as much as they have, so who knows!


I'd never heard that phrase from WN until about three minutes ago, and now I've seen it twice:

Columbus is one of fewer than a quarter of the 102 cities that we serve where we’ve declared we want to be the ’Hometown Carrier,’” said Carter Ganss, director of business development for Southwest. “It’s a market where we plan to continue looking for opportunities to add service.”

WN also wants to add CMH-LGA but doesn't have the slots. CRAA would like CMH-SFO, SAN, and MKE nonstops from WN.

http://www.dispatch.com/news/20170602/s ... years-here


Southwest currently does 5 nonstops between LGA to ATL and could move 1 or 2 of its LGA-ATL nonstops to EWR to free up slots at LGA. Would Southwest want to move 1 or 2 of its LGA-ATL nonstops to EWR to free up slots for other routes out of LGA?
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:05 am

AirportRival wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
AirportRival wrote:

A1 - Overflow
A2 - Overflow
A3 - Southwest
A4 - Onejet
A5 - Southwest
A6 - American
A7 - American
A8 - American
A9 - American
A10 - United
A11 - United
A12 - United
A13 - United
A14 - Frontier
A15 - American
A16 - Air Canada
A17 - Overflow/Allegiant
A18 - Frontier
A19 - Allegiant
A21 - Allegiant
A22 - Overflow/Frontier


Believe it or not A22 is "technically" Allegiant but they never use it and Frontier is almost always there.


I don't who told you that but that is not true.


Uh a person that works at the airport
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:15 am

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
AirportRival wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:

Believe it or not A22 is "technically" Allegiant but they never use it and Frontier is almost always there.


I don't who told you that but that is not true.


Uh a person that works at the airport


Well take it from another person that works at the airport. What they told you is wrong. A22 is not Allegiant's gate. It's an overflow gate that is primarily used by Frontier. There is an easy way to know this. At CVG, when an airline has "ownership" of a gate theirs will be the only computer system at that gate. Since A22 is an overflow gate at least two computer systems can be installed there and currently Frontier is one of those airlines.
It is also the only widebody gate in Concourse A that doesn't overlap another gate.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:33 pm

jplatts wrote:
ILNFlyer wrote:
flyingfromcvg wrote:

Spending $15B on two super hubs that no airline wants is dumb. If you're really about attracting new service, you can subsidize a bunch of routes you typically wouldn't get with $15B. My guess this is more about saying you're creating jobs and land deals for the "in crowd".


I agree. One airport serving both Dayton and Cinci should have been built at Middletown to begin with (DFW style - much smaller scale), but that opportunity is lost and the other ideas in this document are just plain dumb.


CVG is closer to downtown Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky than an airport located in the Middletown area would be, and many of the business travelers who travel to CVG are going to places that are closer to CVG than an airport in Middletown would be, including to downtown Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky. DAY is also closer to downtown Dayton and the suburbs of Dayton that are to the west, east, and north of Dayton than the Middletown Airport would be. On the other hand, a Middletown airport would be closer to the southern suburbs of Dayton than DAY would be and a Middletown airport would be closer to the northern suburbs of Cincinnati than CVG would be.
It is all water under the bridge now, but I think somewhere around West Chester would have been a good location.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:34 am

I posted this on another forum, pretty remarkable how far CVG has come in the last five years. Here is select west coast PDEW data from 2012 (before LCC service) to 2016:

City - 2012/2013/2014/2015/2016 –––– '12 to '16 % change
------------------------------------------------------------
LAS - 200/260/329/672/696 –––– +348%
LAX - 441/420/525/447/669 –––– +152%
DEN - 164/351/387/335/465 –––– +284%
SFO - 289/314/283/292/444 –––– +154%
PHX - 122/165/228/231/338 –––– +277%
SEA - 129/155/163/199/179 –––– +139%
SLC - 108/136/123/155/143 –––– +132%
SAN - 107/131/122/94/129 –––– +121%
PDX - 62/90/90/88/93 –––– +150%
Next: CVG-CDG-ATH (Delta Air Lines B767-300ER, Air France A319)
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:10 pm

cvgComair wrote:
I posted this on another forum, pretty remarkable how far CVG has come in the last five years. Here is select west coast PDEW data from 2012 (before LCC service) to 2016:

City - 2012/2013/2014/2015/2016 –––– '12 to '16 % change
------------------------------------------------------------
LAS - 200/260/329/672/696 –––– +348%
LAX - 441/420/525/447/669 –––– +152%
DEN - 164/351/387/335/465 –––– +284%
SFO - 289/314/283/292/444 –––– +154%
PHX - 122/165/228/231/338 –––– +277%
SEA - 129/155/163/199/179 –––– +139%
SLC - 108/136/123/155/143 –––– +132%
SAN - 107/131/122/94/129 –––– +121%
PDX - 62/90/90/88/93 –––– +150%


Each of your percentages are 100% too high. They all show a growth but not as much you typed.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sun Jun 11, 2017 2:03 am

AirportRival wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
I posted this on another forum, pretty remarkable how far CVG has come in the last five years. Here is select west coast PDEW data from 2012 (before LCC service) to 2016:

City - 2012/2013/2014/2015/2016 –––– '12 to '16 % change
------------------------------------------------------------
LAS - 200/260/329/672/696 –––– +348%
LAX - 441/420/525/447/669 –––– +152%
DEN - 164/351/387/335/465 –––– +284%
SFO - 289/314/283/292/444 –––– +154%
PHX - 122/165/228/231/338 –––– +277%
SEA - 129/155/163/199/179 –––– +139%
SLC - 108/136/123/155/143 –––– +132%
SAN - 107/131/122/94/129 –––– +121%
PDX - 62/90/90/88/93 –––– +150%


Each of your percentages are 100% too high. They all show a growth but not as much you typed.


It depends on how you want to display the value change, I personally prefer this way when displaying passenger changes over time. For instance, LAS had 3.48 times (348%) the passengers in 2016 compared to 2012, whereas there was a 248% change. Since 200 is just under 1/4 of 696, I think it is a better way to present the data in this case. It is not really the % change between '12/'16, but the % comparison between '12/'16, not the best title, but I am not aware of the "official" term for this type of comparison.
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