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DeltaRules wrote:New year, new thread, I guess! If you're new to these threads, welcome in. This is the place to talk anything and everything CMH/LCK/CVG/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG/PKB/HTS.
CLE has its own dedicated thread, which can be found here, but feel free to bring them up if it's relevant: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1343657
cvgComair wrote:Also, apparently part of WN launching service was making seat guarantees with local businesses (hence why the two routes are high frequency/business oriented). I am sure this group has proposed this to other carriers like JetBlue, which would be very favorable to the CVG business community with hubs in Boston and New York, I wonder if a similar deal with JetBlue is in the works.
CMH and IND have the population to support it for sure, but is there a subsidiary program in place for transatlantic flights? I know that an airline coming to CVG is able to get a significant monetary subsidiary and like DL's flight, plus I am sure they could work out a cargo deal with DHL, especially in conjunction with local companies like GE. Do you think CMH could make such a deal? I would think the cargo at LCK would be attractive, but the split between airports is probably a huge negative.
Shields wrote:AA is adding mainline on CVG-DFW in April! H/T to Enilria's OAG thread. It shows CVG-DFW going from 6X/Daily to 4X/Daily in April.
2X/MD-80 and 2X/ERJ-175. It is great to see UA and now AA bringing mainline metal to CVG.
Shields wrote:AA is adding mainline on CVG-DFW in April! H/T to Enilria's OAG thread. It shows CVG-DFW going from 6X/Daily to 4X/Daily in April.
2X/MD-80 and 2X/ERJ-175. It is great to see UA and now AA bringing mainline metal to CVG.
cvgComair wrote:CVG-DFW should see some nice pax numbers this summer, with AA and F9 operating mainline aircraft plus Delta on CRJ-900's. Delta has operated an A320 on CVG-DFW during the past few summers, it should be interesting if it returns again this year (They usually load summer mainline flights in late Spring).
Its nice to see AA mainline at CVG, this has to be the first time in "modern" airline history.
flyguy89 wrote:cvgComair wrote:CVG-DFW should see some nice pax numbers this summer, with AA and F9 operating mainline aircraft plus Delta on CRJ-900's. Delta has operated an A320 on CVG-DFW during the past few summers, it should be interesting if it returns again this year (They usually load summer mainline flights in late Spring).
Its nice to see AA mainline at CVG, this has to be the first time in "modern" airline history.
I was just mentioning it in the OAG the thread as well, do you know when was the last time AA ran mainline through CVG? IIRC there were some F100 flights to DFW in the early 90s, but I could be wrong.
fsafsx wrote:What are the chances of Cmh landing jetblue? I think they could do good on a Bos, Fll, and Mco route.
brooklynchris13 wrote:I can see spirit adding a bunch of routes out of cmh, personally I would like to see them build a focus city or hub out of it. Im sure with detroit being in the way though it would be hard because they receive subsidies from somebody since I heard talks about Ind to Dtw and how Phl and Bwi are almost always empty and yet they still run.fsafsx wrote:What are the chances of Cmh landing jetblue? I think they could do good on a Bos, Fll, and Mco route.
Sorry to say but I think that ship has sailed. You have extreme competition from CMH to MCO (WN, F9, and DL) as well as BOS (WN and DL). For FLL it's only the WN flight, but from what I have read that flight is very profitable for WN and I think any hint of B6 would result in WN going to at least 2X and probably 3x with a fare sale the likes of which we haven't seen since People's Express. On a related note, AA has added a 3rd daily to MIA and its on a 175, so that will be an additional option for the southeast Florida market. My guess is the arrival of Alaska into CMH and perhaps NK will happen long before we see (if ever) a B6 return.
cvgComair wrote:The most recent flights on the F100's that I can find were 2001 to DFW. American also operated MD80'S/B727's/F100's to ORD and DFW until early 90's, when American Eagle took over everything. Sometime in the late 90's, they added back to F100's. This is all from departed flights. For me, post 2001 or 9/11 is "modern aviation" since I really do not remember anything aviation-wise prior to that and 9/11 really changed up everything.
This is cool nonetheless, its certainly be quite a long time without larger mainline aircraft!
fsafsx wrote:brooklynchris13 wrote:I can see spirit adding a bunch of routes out of cmh, personally I would like to see them build a focus city or hub out of it. Im sure with detroit being in the way though it would be hard because they receive subsidies from somebody since I heard talks about Ind to Dtw and how Phl and Bwi are almost always empty and yet they still run.fsafsx wrote:What are the chances of Cmh landing jetblue? I think they could do good on a Bos, Fll, and Mco route.
Sorry to say but I think that ship has sailed. You have extreme competition from CMH to MCO (WN, F9, and DL) as well as BOS (WN and DL). For FLL it's only the WN flight, but from what I have read that flight is very profitable for WN and I think any hint of B6 would result in WN going to at least 2X and probably 3x with a fare sale the likes of which we haven't seen since People's Express. On a related note, AA has added a 3rd daily to MIA and its on a 175, so that will be an additional option for the southeast Florida market. My guess is the arrival of Alaska into CMH and perhaps NK will happen long before we see (if ever) a B6 return.
CMHMarc787 wrote:I still think it would be hard with Dtw nearby since theyre a hub for spirit, they could make Mco, Tpa, Rsw, Fll, Las, Lax and Dfw work but anything else like Msp, Ord, Bwi, Phl, Lga, Bos wouldnt work. I do hope though that spirit will come to cmh sooner or later.fsafsx wrote:brooklynchris13 wrote:I can see spirit adding a bunch of routes out of cmh, personally I would like to see them build a focus city or hub out of it. Im sure with detroit being in the way though it would be hard because they receive subsidies from somebody since I heard talks about Ind to Dtw and how Phl and Bwi are almost always empty and yet they still run.
Sorry to say but I think that ship has sailed. You have extreme competition from CMH to MCO (WN, F9, and DL) as well as BOS (WN and DL). For FLL it's only the WN flight, but from what I have read that flight is very profitable for WN and I think any hint of B6 would result in WN going to at least 2X and probably 3x with a fare sale the likes of which we haven't seen since People's Express. On a related note, AA has added a 3rd daily to MIA and its on a 175, so that will be an additional option for the southeast Florida market. My guess is the arrival of Alaska into CMH and perhaps NK will happen long before we see (if ever) a B6 return.
It would tough for anyone new to come into CMH and build any sort of Focus City, unless they add gates/jetways back to where they once were (A1, B33 and 36, and C48), or add a new door/jetway at B30)...
CMHMarc787 wrote:It would tough for anyone new to come into CMH and build any sort of Focus City, unless they add gates/jetways back to where they once were (A1, B33 and 36, and C48), or add a new door/jetway at B30)...
DeltaRules wrote:That's got to be the first mainline on US/AA on CMH-PHL or PHL-CMH since maybe 2007. Don't think they've ever brought the E190 to CMH, either. B6 and YX are the only airlines I know of to use the E190 to CMH.CMHMarc787 wrote:It would tough for anyone new to come into CMH and build any sort of Focus City, unless they add gates/jetways back to where they once were (A1, B33 and 36, and C48), or add a new door/jetway at B30)...
B33's gate area was replaced with a bathroom, so that might be out unless they create a spot for a new jetway.
CMHMarc787 wrote:DeltaRules wrote:That's got to be the first mainline on US/AA on CMH-PHL or PHL-CMH since maybe 2007. Don't think they've ever brought the E190 to CMH, either. B6 and YX are the only airlines I know of to use the E190 to CMH.CMHMarc787 wrote:It would tough for anyone new to come into CMH and build any sort of Focus City, unless they add gates/jetways back to where they once were (A1, B33 and 36, and C48), or add a new door/jetway at B30)...
B33's gate area was replaced with a bathroom, so that might be out unless they create a spot for a new jetway.
They could easily do to B33 what they've done with B22/24/26, and C52/53 - have multiple gates operate out a single door (i.e. B33/34 out of the current B34 gate).
Also, B6 doesn't fly into CMH (though, yes, they do otherwise use the E190)
brooklynchris13 wrote:2) Also concerning PHL, one flight has been upgraded to an E190! I don't know if this has ever been a regular visitor to CMH, but its a pretty interesting upgrade.
DeltaRules wrote:I forgot LUK. Really, anything interesting going on in Ohio is fair game here!
Southwest finally added CVG. Press conference in half an hour.
DAY service ends June 3rd.
NoTime wrote:Also - Just noticed that G4 is adding LCK - VPS (Destin, FL) as a seasonal route. It starts 5/25.
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories ... ummer.html
cvgComair wrote:Has anyone here flown out of LCK? Would it be better for G4 to switch to CMH or is LCK a nice alternative?
cvgComair wrote:NoTime wrote:Also - Just noticed that G4 is adding LCK - VPS (Destin, FL) as a seasonal route. It starts 5/25.
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories ... ummer.html
Has anyone here flown out of LCK? Would it be better for G4 to switch to CMH or is LCK a nice alternative?
DeltaRules wrote:cvgComair wrote:NoTime wrote:Also - Just noticed that G4 is adding LCK - VPS (Destin, FL) as a seasonal route. It starts 5/25.
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories ... ummer.html
Has anyone here flown out of LCK? Would it be better for G4 to switch to CMH or is LCK a nice alternative?
cvgComair wrote:The most recent flights on the F100's that I can find were 2001 to DFW. American also operated MD80'S/B727's/F100's to ORD and DFW until early 90's, when American Eagle took over everything. Sometime in the late 90's, they added back to F100's. This is all from departed flights. For me, post 2001 or 9/11 is "modern aviation" since I really do not remember anything aviation-wise prior to that and 9/11 really changed up everything.
This is cool nonetheless, its certainly be quite a long time without larger mainline aircraft!
cvgComair wrote:Croatia Airlines just sold 5 slots to Delta Air Lines to LHR, that would allow them to operate 5x/wk from somewhere in the U.S. to LHR. I know there has been some speculation of CVG getting the service, but I have no proof. For all I know it could be additional frequency from ATL, but I am always hopeful!
cvgComair wrote:Also, this opens the possibility of other routes like STL/BNA/MEM from LUK in the future.
AirportRival wrote:And finally, I heard that Southwest will be taking the new gates A1, 2, 3, & 5. That seems a little excessive for just 8 daily flights. Could mean that Southwest is serious about adding more flights from CVG if it's true.
DeltaRules wrote:AirportRival wrote:And finally, I heard that Southwest will be taking the new gates A1, 2, 3, & 5. That seems a little excessive for just 8 daily flights. Could mean that Southwest is serious about adding more flights from CVG if it's true.
Southwest runs its whole ~40 flight operation at CMH with 5 (A2-6), plus a couple stands for RON parking.