ILUV767
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717s Hot And High Performance

Sun Feb 10, 2002 8:06 am

Hello,

Could any of the 717 experts tell me about how the 717 handles in hot and high airports? Is it a good performer or a poorer performer? Would it have to fly out with weight restrictions?

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RE: 717s Hot And High Performance

Sun Feb 10, 2002 2:01 pm

Anyone?

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RE: 717s Hot And High Performance

Sun Feb 10, 2002 10:48 pm

Hello,

I heard it was prettty good for hot & high performance, Flight International had an article sometime last year that it was being looked at for London City. Any aircraft even being looked at for London City, must have a pretty reasonable hot & high performance.

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RE: 717s Hot And High Performance

Sun Feb 10, 2002 11:32 pm

I wouldn't think that London City Airport would be either "Hot" or "High".
 
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RE: 717s Hot And High Performance

Sun Feb 10, 2002 11:55 pm

Bobnwa,

LCY is not hot or high, however the angle of approach is double the one at any other airport and the runway is only 1200m. That has to say something about how it would perform at a hot and high airport, right?

Jeremiah

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RE: 717s Hot And High Performance

Mon Feb 11, 2002 1:00 am

As far as the HOT part the aircraft is fine, it is used almost exclusivly by Hawaiian for their Island jumping service and I would say that Hawaii satisfies the criteria of the HOT. As for the High part, I am not sure as you dont get much above FL24 on those flights

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RE: 717s Hot And High Performance

Mon Feb 11, 2002 1:31 am

Artsyman
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As far as the HOT part the aircraft is fine, it is used almost exclusivly by Hawaiian for their Island jumping service and I would say that Hawaii satisfies the criteria of the HOT. As for the High part, I am not sure as you dont get much above FL24 on those flights

I think that by High ILUV767 meant airports at high altitudes where the air is thinner and so it is more difficult for the aircraft to take off.
 
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RE: 717s Hot And High Performance

Mon Feb 11, 2002 1:56 am

Teahan,
High and hot is altogether a different problem than a short runway. At airports that are high or hot the aircraft does not develop as much power for takeoff.

Artsyman,

Honolulu does not have very hot temperatures at all. It is usually vry temperate there. Also the high referred to is the height above sea level of the airport, not the enroute altitude.
 
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RE: 717s Hot And High Performance

Mon Feb 11, 2002 3:19 am

Bobnwa wrote...Honolulu does not have very hot temperatures at all

LOL try saying that to us brits with our blue skinned bodies.....

thanks for clearing up the altitude mistake

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RE: 717s Hot And High Performance

Mon Feb 11, 2002 3:30 am

Let me clarify on what I ment by hot and high airports...

Some examples would be:
-Denver
-Mexico City
-Caracas (spelling?)
-Las Vegas
-Phoenix

and so on.

For example, the 757 is an excellent hot and high performer making it an excellent choice into places like Mexico City. Same thing with the 737NG. The A320 mainly with IAE engines is not a goood hot and high performer and can run into restrictions when operating out of all of the airports listed above.

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RE: 717s Hot And High Performance

Mon Feb 11, 2002 4:56 am

VuelaMex (if it ever starts operating) choose the B717 to start flights from Mexico City. If they ever get here, we would see how good they perform in high airports. I know that Boeing told every Mexican airline in the Acapulco Air Show that the B717 is a very good performer in hot and high altitudes. AeroMexico has been considering the airplane to replace the DC9's, but they don't have the money to get them. VuelaMex has three in its color scheme but they still don't have the operating certificate.

As a matter of fact, for Mexico City's hot and high altitude AeroMexico and Mexicana had a special version of the DC10 that had a better performance in Mexico City (they had to make a stop on flights to europe).

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RE: 717s Hot And High Performance

Mon Feb 11, 2002 3:35 pm

I've heard from several pilots that MD-80s are better hot and high performers than 737 classics (specifically, 734s). I would imagine the 717 characteristics to be somewhat similar, although I don't have any specific information.

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