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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:17 pm

MSPNWA wrote:
United787 wrote:
Over Minnesota now. With the retirement months away, I can't imagine ORD won't see another UA 747. But just in case, I will be tracking it. Unfortunately the clouds are really low so I wont be seeing it :(

But I can hear a KLM 744 overhead right now so at least I might be able to hear it...


Yeah this will likely be the last arrival to ORD from the Far East. Hard to believe this is the end. I'd be able to see it and take a picture if it wasn't mostly cloudy. Bummer.


I will try to find out when they will be departing for the last time and let you know. You might be able to get a departure picture.
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:28 pm

Such a shame that UA didn't go for the 748i.
 
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:39 pm

This isn't too surprising, with all the 77Ws they will be taking this year it makes sense to speed this up. Will miss seeing them around! Regardless of livery, the UA 747 is one of the most iconic aircraft ever.
 
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:51 pm

If you want a 744 experience, LH can offer one for a bit longer. I believe they also fly the 748 from LAX-FRA for an even better experience.
 
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:53 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
has the lowest customer satisfaction scores in our fleet


Ooh, clearly not a lot a.netters are flying the 747 :duck:

And the 787 has the highest!
 
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:07 pm

The 747-400 is bound to die at some point. No matter how historical the airplane is, two engines will always be better than four.
 
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:11 pm

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Such a shame that UA didn't go for the 748i.


Honestly, the 747-8i is bound to die at some point to. It only has three passenger operators if I am correct (Air China, Korean Air, and Lufthansa), and failed to attract purchases from other airlines who may have considered it for passenger operations. The 747-8i will not break even and will be discontinued in the long run. It is sadly the case, the 747-8i has done a little better with cargo operators than passengers operators. In conclusion, the 747-8i has few orders and I believe production rate of the jet has been cut.
 
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:24 pm

The B747-400 was doomed right after the merger when they didn't homogenize the workforce in maintaining the B747.
Once it was proven only ORD, SFO and LAX UA could only maintain the B747 It's days were numbered.
Both the S-co and S-ua maintenance crews have extensive experience with the B777 and so it's the expertise we need to field the airplane. as a combined force..
Now we can all do what's needed to field the airplane. we have the equipment and the know how to maintain it.
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:31 pm

Why doesn't UA have their own museum like Delta? It would be nice if they can repaint a 744 in battleship livery and put it on display somewhere. Does anybody at UA remember how to do a battleship paint job?
 
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:46 pm

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xjetflyer2001 wrote:
I wonder what the new timeline for retirement is now? So sad, it is pretty medieval on amenities and entertainment, but still love to fly her, I go out of my way to catch 747's when I go back and forth to Thailand, going in March and on my return will be going through TPE specifically to try and get 1st class on the UA747, been in business on the upper deck, but never 1st class in the nose, hoping to get either seats 4A or 4K, then my life in the 747 will be complete


F in the nose on UA is overrated. If you really want to experience the nose in a 747, at least sit in 1A/K so you get to experience the curvature and be able to kinda look out forward from the windows. If you're already flying through TPE, book a cheap J ticket on CI to get your 747 nose experience.


I nonrev on UA so free is all I can afford, but I have another motive for wanting row 4, first class experience and you can get some nice views of the wing with the 2 engines from row 4, not so much in row 1-3, but row 1A/K would be 2nd pick
 
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:47 pm

NichCage wrote:
The 747-400 is bound to die at some point. No matter how historical the airplane is, two engines will always be better than four.

Unless you are flying from Perth to Johannesburg. You could get in trouble for flying a twin-jet on that route.
 
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Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:03 pm

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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:10 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
has the lowest customer satisfaction scores in our fleet


Ooh, clearly not a lot a.netters are flying the 747 :duck:

If they upgraded the interior with avod and modern product this wouldnt be be the case.

Provide a crappy product and poor surveys will follow
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:17 pm

So much for Fleet Week SF 747 flybys after this year is done. I'm sure it'll still be at SFO Family Day this fall for those who want to see it. Strange to say but it's sad to see N105UA go after all these years. Loved flying on this little outlier, much like N194UA. Lowest customer satisfaction is a function of cabin updates and maintenance. Look at LH and their 744s...

joeljack wrote:
Nooooo!!!!!! I was going to try and get on one in March of 2018 for the last time!! Super sad.

In April of this year, I need to go to Madrid from Des Moines. Does anybody know what routes 747 are flying to Europe from EWR, IAD or ORD that I could use to connect to Madrid?

I tried to fly a 747 a year ago from ORD-FRA but there was an equipment swap the day of the flight to a 777. I was soooo mad!!! Took me 6 months to calm down, I paid several hundred more for my flight just so I could get on the 747 vs a different flight. Thing was, the guy sitting next to me in business class did the exact same thing and was equally mad.


You'll have to backtrack through SFO for that... As others have pointed out, you could do LH 744 or 748 out of quite a few US cities.

blacksoviet wrote:
Why doesn't UA have their own museum like Delta? It would be nice if they can repaint a 744 in battleship livery and put it on display somewhere. Does anybody at UA remember how to do a battleship paint job?


Not per se, but there's places here and there where one runs into UA history, e.g. the exhibits at WHQ, MSI in Chicago, the Pan Am / UA stuff at SFO Int'l Terminal landside, the UA DC-8 at California Science Center, the UA 727 at Boeing Field. Between these locations one could probably get the equivalent of a proper museum.

Lots of people at UA still remember how to do a battlefield paintjob, though the Saul Bass livery or even the Friend Ship livery plus a city name would be more representative of UA over the years and decades...
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:51 pm

What is WHQ?
 
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:11 am

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What is WHQ?


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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:01 am

ua900 wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
What is WHQ?


World Headquarters

Are any aircraft on display in the exhibit at world headquarters?
 
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:11 am

ua900 wrote:
So much for Fleet Week SF 747 flybys after this year is done. I'm sure it'll still be at SFO Family Day this fall for those who want to see it. Strange to say but it's sad to see N105UA go after all these years. Loved flying on this little outlier, much like N194UA. Lowest customer satisfaction is a function of cabin updates and maintenance. Look at LH and their 744s...

joeljack wrote:
Nooooo!!!!!! I was going to try and get on one in March of 2018 for the last time!! Super sad.

In April of this year, I need to go to Madrid from Des Moines. Does anybody know what routes 747 are flying to Europe from EWR, IAD or ORD that I could use to connect to Madrid?

I tried to fly a 747 a year ago from ORD-FRA but there was an equipment swap the day of the flight to a 777. I was soooo mad!!! Took me 6 months to calm down, I paid several hundred more for my flight just so I could get on the 747 vs a different flight. Thing was, the guy sitting next to me in business class did the exact same thing and was equally mad.


You'll have to backtrack through SFO for that... As others have pointed out, you could do LH 744 or 748 out of quite a few US cities.

blacksoviet wrote:
Why doesn't UA have their own museum like Delta? It would be nice if they can repaint a 744 in battleship livery and put it on display somewhere. Does anybody at UA remember how to do a battleship paint job?


Not per se, but there's places here and there where one runs into UA history, e.g. the exhibits at WHQ, MSI in Chicago, the Pan Am / UA stuff at SFO Int'l Terminal landside, the UA DC-8 at California Science Center, the UA 727 at Boeing Field. Between these locations one could probably get the equivalent of a proper museum.

Lots of people at UA still remember how to do a battlefield paintjob, though the Saul Bass livery or even the Friend Ship livery plus a city name would be more representative of UA over the years and decades...


Also at the Wings over the Rockies Air and Space Museum they have a United DC 10 Cockpit that you can go inside along with an old United 727 Cockpit
 
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:42 am

blacksoviet wrote:
ua900 wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
What is WHQ?


World Headquarters

Are any aircraft on display in the exhibit at world headquarters?


No aircraft would fit. UA is headquartered at Sears Tower (err...Willis Tower) in downtown Chicago. Maybe they could possibly convert some of the former HQ out in Elk Grove Village, which I believe they still own, or do something at ORD. Extremely unlikely though.
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:55 am

Very sad to see them go, as UA has a long history with the 747 but it only makes good sense. The 747 fleet has for a long time been unreliable with a poor dispatch rate and a cabin interior that is outdated. Where we are today with UA's 747's is a result of PM-UA under investment in its fleet and putting off maintenance until it became really necessary. Post merger, UA repositioned the entire fleet to SFO in 2013 and spent millions on improving avionics and performing heavy maintenance to improve the situation and it worked only for a while. The 777-300ER's and the remaining 787-9 deliveries can cover most if not all of the remaining 747 routes and with all of the 773's ordered being delivered this year, the decision was obvious.
 
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:58 am

Damn. I heard this reported on the radio earlier, but I was only half-listening. I've flown on a 744 before, but I was a kid, and wanted to refresh my memory without having to fly to the corners of the earth to do so- UA was my best bet. Guess I'll have to accelerate those plans to visit SF...out of somewhere other than O'Hare...
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:18 am

RL777 wrote:
This isn't too surprising, with all the 77Ws they will be taking this year it makes sense to speed this up. Will miss seeing them around! Regardless of livery, the UA 747 is one of the most iconic aircraft ever.

Will they get all the 777s this year though? Isn't Boeing cutting their production rates?
 
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:33 am

ua900 wrote:
joeljack wrote:
Nooooo!!!!!! I was going to try and get on one in March of 2018 for the last time!! Super sad.

In April of this year, I need to go to Madrid from Des Moines. Does anybody know what routes 747 are flying to Europe from EWR, IAD or ORD that I could use to connect to Madrid?

I tried to fly a 747 a year ago from ORD-FRA but there was an equipment swap the day of the flight to a 777. I was soooo mad!!! Took me 6 months to calm down, I paid several hundred more for my flight just so I could get on the 747 vs a different flight. Thing was, the guy sitting next to me in business class did the exact same thing and was equally mad.


You'll have to backtrack through SFO for that... As others have pointed out, you could do LH 744 or 748 out of quite a few US cities.


BA do quite a lot of TATL legs on 744, no?
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:35 am

So, 747 out, 777 and 787 picking up the slack. Next move would be to cancel the A350 order as they don't need to replace anything. A small top up 777-300ER order and UA is set for a while.
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:36 am

hayzel777 wrote:
RL777 wrote:
This isn't too surprising, with all the 77Ws they will be taking this year it makes sense to speed this up. Will miss seeing them around! Regardless of livery, the UA 747 is one of the most iconic aircraft ever.

Will they get all the 777s this year though? Isn't Boeing cutting their production rates?


All of our 77Ws should be on property by June.
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Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:38 am

CX747 wrote:
So, 747 out, 777 and 787 picking up the slack. Next move would be to cancel the A350 order as they don't need to replace anything. A small top up 777-300ER order and UA is set for a while.


Look for an additional order of 77Ws in the future.
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:45 am

El Al is still flying several 747 flights each day from JFK, occasionally from EWR. But it's obviously irrelevant unless you're planning to tour Israel.

Here's my most recent 747 flight in 2016:
https://youtu.be/M0L9RDOtWqw

And a landing on Newark's short runway 29:
https://youtu.be/dZY-A0hExkc
 
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:07 am

In the end, the 'bean counters' make the decision.
Can any of these planes continue as freighters or does the fuel tank fix affect them too ?
 
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:18 am

blacksoviet wrote:
ua900 wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
What is WHQ?


World Headquarters

Are any aircraft on display in the exhibit at world headquarters?

There is a United 727 at the Museum of Science and industry in Chicago. It is a really great display with many of the aircraft systems presented in cut-a-way. I still remember touring it as a kid and it was one of the experiences that sparked my interest in aviation.

It was delivered to the museum via Meigs Field with every ounce striped out and minimum fuel so as to be light enough to stop on that runway.
 
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:57 am

ltbewr wrote:
In the end, the 'bean counters' make the decision.
Can any of these planes continue as freighters or does the fuel tank fix affect them too ?

United does not do cargo flights! If they wanted to, they could probably sell them off really cheap so someone can do a conversion but I doubt anyone will want to pick these old birds up.
 
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:03 am

Over the past few years, I flew SFO to SYD on UA, firstly on the 747 and then on the 777 and then on the 787. Though the 747 was old, it was still by far my favorite out of the 3 types that I've flown to SYD from SFO.
 
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:04 am

"the time has come to retire our 747 fleet from scheduled service"

"Scheduled service" is a key word in the press release. Some 744s might still be floating around the system as extra sections or recovery planes in the LAX-SFO market when the SFO runway resurfacing project puts major limitations on operations etc. Instead of running 14 flights per day in all narrowbodies, they can sub a couple 744s and really pick up some slack when the SFO arrival rate sinks.
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:06 am

panam330 wrote:
. I took one in J HKG-SFO a few months ago and it was just a total letdown. Give me a 787 anytime.
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For such a long flight I would always prefer a 747 to a "narrow body" 787.
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:15 am

dopplerd wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
ua900 wrote:

World Headquarters

Are any aircraft on display in the exhibit at world headquarters?

There is a United 727 at the Museum of Science and industry in Chicago. It is a really great display with many of the aircraft systems presented in cut-a-way. I still remember touring it as a kid and it was one of the experiences that sparked my interest in aviation.

It was delivered to the museum via Meigs Field with every ounce striped out and minimum fuel so as to be light enough to stop on that runway.

Was the interior put back in after the plane landed?
 
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:38 am

Revelation wrote:
ua900 wrote:
joeljack wrote:
Nooooo!!!!!! I was going to try and get on one in March of 2018 for the last time!! Super sad.

In April of this year, I need to go to Madrid from Des Moines. Does anybody know what routes 747 are flying to Europe from EWR, IAD or ORD that I could use to connect to Madrid?

I tried to fly a 747 a year ago from ORD-FRA but there was an equipment swap the day of the flight to a 777. I was soooo mad!!! Took me 6 months to calm down, I paid several hundred more for my flight just so I could get on the 747 vs a different flight. Thing was, the guy sitting next to me in business class did the exact same thing and was equally mad.


You'll have to backtrack through SFO for that... As others have pointed out, you could do LH 744 or 748 out of quite a few US cities.


BA do quite a lot of TATL legs on 744, no?


Correct!

Off the top of my head, BA flies them year-round to:

BOS
JFK
YYZ
MIA
ORD
DEN
PHX
LAS
SAN

I could be wrong about some of those, and I could be missing some, but I believe BA plans to keep them into the 2020's
 
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:09 am

jayunited wrote:
UA does not come close to using 21 744's. All 744's have been pulled from regular service at ORD which leaves only SFO, with the current and future schedule UA only uses 10-14 frames on a daily basis.


The others did a lot of college football bowl charters in December and January, and I expect will continue to be used for military charter flights until their retirement.
 
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:09 am

atsiang wrote:
Over the past few years, I flew SFO to SYD on UA, firstly on the 747 and then on the 777 and then on the 787. Though the 747 was old, it was still by far my favorite out of the 3 types that I've flown to SYD from SFO.

I prefer the Polaris Business on the 787 over the seven seats or rear facing seats on the 747/777. Although i do have a feeling you were riding in cattle class in that horrible 3-3-3 787 config.
 
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:28 am

hayzel777 wrote:
atsiang wrote:
Over the past few years, I flew SFO to SYD on UA, firstly on the 747 and then on the 777 and then on the 787. Though the 747 was old, it was still by far my favorite out of the 3 types that I've flown to SYD from SFO.

I prefer the Polaris Business on the 787 over the seven seats or rear facing seats on the 747/777. Although i do have a feeling you were riding in cattle class in that horrible 3-3-3 787 config.


All my trips to SYD were in economy class. Yup, that 3-3-3 config in the 787 wasn't fun especially with those new seats.
 
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:39 am

The writing on the wall for this was the arrival of the 77Ws unfortunately.
 
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:51 am

Delta should make UA an offer they can't refuse and defer some 333s.
 
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:40 pm

A United 747-400 was my very first 747 experience. I flew on one in 2000 from LAX-HKG. I will never forget seeing those wings from the inside of the aircraft for the first time. Since I was a child, it was my dream to fly on one, so I made it happen, the summer after my first year in college.

Next month, I will being flying the United 747-400, SFO-ICN-SFO, which will probably be my last flight on this remarkable aircraft. Last year I did SFO-HKG-SFO, which I thought would be my last. I will be doing Polaris First on this trip, which I'm pumped about. I realize the seat will not be different, but I am interested on the change in amenities and service. Will let you all know what I think or notice. I booked my ticket as global first, but notice they rebranded sometime in November/December when I went in to review my reservation.

I booked a seat close to the rear of the first class cabin for the first leg, in hopes to still get a decent wing view, before the cabin starts pointing inward to the nose. On the return, I purposely booked the very first seat in the house at the very front of the first class cabin, just to say I had flown ahead of the pilots. :-)

I've always enjoyed this aircraft. It's powerful...and smooth. Turbulence feels different on a 747-400, than it does on other aircraft. Almost like the wings are less rigid. I get the same feeling on the A380, even more exaggerated. I actually have never thought this aircraft was particularly loud. Sure it gets louder at the rear, but most of them do.

Will be sad to see her go, but the 787, A350, and the new 777's will be remarkable, and I'm all about advances in comfort, technology, and fuel savings.
 
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:00 pm

ltbewr wrote:
In the end, the 'bean counters' make the decision.
Can any of these planes continue as freighters or does the fuel tank fix affect them too ?


No.
There are dozens of 747-400's and converted freighters sitting in the desert now.
 
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:21 pm

Any chance the accelerated retirement is related the decision to prolong the life of the 763s? Perhaps the engines from the 747 fleet are needed to keep the 763 fleet economical until the end of the decade or a bit longer ?
 
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:42 pm

I am an airplane geek. But, quality inflight experience trumps aircraft type! So bring on the 77W!
 
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:08 pm

b747400erf wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
In the end, the 'bean counters' make the decision.
Can any of these planes continue as freighters or does the fuel tank fix affect them too ?


No.
There are dozens of 747-400's and converted freighters sitting in the desert now.


So many in fact that no one has converted a 744P to F in many years.
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:21 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
Delta should make UA an offer they can't refuse and defer some 333s.

UA would gladly accept and then laugh as DL parks these newly purchased planes shortly thereafter.
 
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:32 pm

Sad and and quite unpatriotic that soon no US airline anymore operates the greatest airplane of domestic manufacture.
Currently there are still 21 744s in UAs fleet, quite ambitious to retire them within one year.
While 9 of them are 23 years old and older, and therefore will be retired at a "natural" age after a full service life, 12 planes are between 17 and 19, a bit young for final retirement, though I think only a few will have a chance to serve a few years longer with some other (charter) operator.

In any case, quite ironic that UA replaces part of them with late-built 77Ws, a type which already in (less than) ten years will fill exactly the role the 744 has now: that of the aging standard large longhaul widebody. The life of the 77W in UAs fleet will be, with a high degree of certainty, much shorter than that of the Jumbo Jet.
 
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:35 pm

Spacepope wrote:
b747400erf wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
In the end, the 'bean counters' make the decision.
Can any of these planes continue as freighters or does the fuel tank fix affect them too ?


No.
There are dozens of 747-400's and converted freighters sitting in the desert now.


So many in fact that no one has converted a 744P to F in many years.


That program is indeed dead since the beginning of this decade. No way that one of UAs 744s will be converted. There are even a dozen or so factory-built 744Fs in the desert, waiting for new operators.
 
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:42 pm

fry530 wrote:
Revelation wrote:
ua900 wrote:
You'll have to backtrack through SFO for that... As others have pointed out, you could do LH 744 or 748 out of quite a few US cities.

BA do quite a lot of TATL legs on 744, no?

Correct!

Off the top of my head, BA flies them year-round to:

BOS
JFK
YYZ
MIA
ORD
DEN
PHX
LAS
SAN

I could be wrong about some of those, and I could be missing some, but I believe BA plans to keep them into the 2020's


Seems then that DSM-ORD-LHR-MAD would maximize the poster's 744 experience without as much back-tracking as UA or LH would have.
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Re: UA accelerates 747-400 retirement

Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:00 pm

Any chance of these 747s going to another carrier or converted to freight?

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