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Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:22 am

Please continue your discussion and to post your updates here.

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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:37 am

When will EUG-SIN happen? There must be strong business ties. The former Hynix plant is in town, and there's a great Vietnamese restaurant in downtown on Broadway. You'd think there would be a big market for this route. :P
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:18 pm

Since United is now operating a few mainline flights each day from EUG have they reopened that station, or is it contracted ground handling?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:21 pm

We've heard the LHR is the largest european market from PDX and hence Delta's new flight starting in May (4x weekly?) Does anyone know the top Asia markets? As Delta continues to dismantle the NRT hub and onward connections I'm wondering if the NRT flight is in jeopardy. I've heard many times the flight is O&D traffic between the two cities however, which if is true, perhaps an HND flight would work better.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:51 pm

It maybe early but how is Boutique Air doing PDT - PDX. I would love to see 4 flights during the Summer.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:01 pm

intotheair wrote:
When will EUG-SIN happen? There must be strong business ties. The former Hynix plant is in town, and there's a great Vietnamese restaurant in downtown on Broadway. You'd think there would be a big market for this route. :P


Actually I get your sarcasm and like it. There's a big fallacy on A.net the because Company A has facilities in ABC and XYZ therefore there must be a big market for a daily 300 seat 6000 mile flight ABC-XYZ.

Same thing if a certain city has an ethnic neighborhood. They can support a non-stop to that country.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:41 am

A medical diversion of UA 219 going to HNL from ORD. They were on the ground for about 3 hours then continued on to HNL.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:52 am

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A medical diversion of UA 219 going to HNL from ORD. They were on the ground for about 3 hours then continued on to HNL.


When did that happen? Obviously not today.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:48 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
intotheair wrote:
When will EUG-SIN happen? There must be strong business ties. The former Hynix plant is in town, and there's a great Vietnamese restaurant in downtown on Broadway. You'd think there would be a big market for this route. :P


Actually I get your sarcasm and like it. There's a big fallacy on A.net the because Company A has facilities in ABC and XYZ therefore there must be a big market for a daily 300 seat 6000 mile flight ABC-XYZ.

Same thing if a certain city has an ethnic neighborhood. They can support a non-stop to that country.


By that logic PDX should have had nonstops to Pnom Phen years ago! And Saigon, and Manila, and Kiev lol.
Saigon should surely be an A380, maybe two of them per day. Lots of Vietnamese AND Nike. XD
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:49 pm

I'm sure I'll get jumped on for this "theory" but I'm jumping in anyway...I've noticed since around mid-summer time 2016 a fair number of Alaska billboards popping up around town toting the Alaska/British Airways partnership and how one can earn Alaska miles flying to London on BA. Prior to this, I noticed a lot of AS billboards promoting Icelandair and to a lesser extent Alaska/Emirates. Lately however, I've only seen the AS/BA ones.

It seems odd to me that Alaska would be "promoting" such a relationship when there isn't a PDX-LHR flight on BA. I know, the options to fly them from SEA, SFO, SJC, LAX, SAN, etc. exist, but for an MVP FF having to connect all the time gets old really fast.

The theory is that Alaska promotes it preemptively to drum up excitement/support to help show that real demand exists in addition to data/numbers provided by the Port of Portland and whoever else helps make the case.

I personally think the Delta flight to LHR will do ok; but I think BA would do better.

Just a thought.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:13 am

Think there is an AA 767 from ORD tonight.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:59 am

flyoregon wrote:
I'm sure I'll get jumped on for this "theory" but I'm jumping in anyway...I've noticed since around mid-summer time 2016 a fair number of Alaska billboards popping up around town toting the Alaska/British Airways partnership and how one can earn Alaska miles flying to London on BA. Prior to this, I noticed a lot of AS billboards promoting Icelandair and to a lesser extent Alaska/Emirates. Lately however, I've only seen the AS/BA ones.

It seems odd to me that Alaska would be "promoting" such a relationship when there isn't a PDX-LHR flight on BA. I know, the options to fly them from SEA, SFO, SJC, LAX, SAN, etc. exist, but for an MVP FF having to connect all the time gets old really fast.

The theory is that Alaska promotes it preemptively to drum up excitement/support to help show that real demand exists in addition to data/numbers provided by the Port of Portland and whoever else helps make the case.

I personally think the Delta flight to LHR will do ok; but I think BA would do better.

Just a thought.



Coincidence. I'm sure the AS team doesn't make billboards for each city they serve. Just a generic one for BA/AS matchup in general.

I would kill for BA to LHR with the breakup of AS/DL shortly. But I don't expect it until maybe 2018.... maybe.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:38 am

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Think there is an AA 767 from ORD tonight.


Looks like a FR24 glitch to me. It was actually N932AN, a 738.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:10 pm

For some reason a lot of today's Boeing acceptance/test flights are headed to EUG... we had 738s in Ryanair and JAL (or JTA) livery, and a 77W in Emirates livery is inbound now (don't often get those in Eugene to say the least).

Kinda makes me wish I bought that telephoto lens when I had the chance. :/
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:21 pm

BlatantEcho wrote:
flyoregon wrote:
I'm sure I'll get jumped on for this "theory" but I'm jumping in anyway...I've noticed since around mid-summer time 2016 a fair number of Alaska billboards popping up around town toting the Alaska/British Airways partnership and how one can earn Alaska miles flying to London on BA. Prior to this, I noticed a lot of AS billboards promoting Icelandair and to a lesser extent Alaska/Emirates. Lately however, I've only seen the AS/BA ones.

It seems odd to me that Alaska would be "promoting" such a relationship when there isn't a PDX-LHR flight on BA. I know, the options to fly them from SEA, SFO, SJC, LAX, SAN, etc. exist, but for an MVP FF having to connect all the time gets old really fast.

The theory is that Alaska promotes it preemptively to drum up excitement/support to help show that real demand exists in addition to data/numbers provided by the Port of Portland and whoever else helps make the case.

I personally think the Delta flight to LHR will do ok; but I think BA would do better.

Just a thought.



Coincidence. I'm sure the AS team doesn't make billboards for each city they serve. Just a generic one for BA/AS matchup in general.

I would kill for BA to LHR with the breakup of AS/DL shortly. But I don't expect it until maybe 2018.... maybe.


I reckon they probably do make ads targeted at specific markets, considering they usually throw a few up for new routes in Seattle... and I imagine Portland and Anchorage and the other cities they're strong in. I doubt it's much more than a couple days of extra work for their marketing team and they probably design all of that promotional stuff (billboards, web ads, etc) in advance of launching a route or marketing campaign.

But also, if I'm remembering correctly, in order to use your AS mileage you have to do at least one leg on AS, so if you were using your AS mileage to LHR on BA you would have to fly to SEA or SFO or LAX etc to connect to BA. That's my understanding anyway, I could be wrong, I usually use my AS miles for AS flights, so it's been a while. That said, I don't think it's true for accruing miles. Again, could be wrong about that too.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:23 am

Looks like DL will start Redmond - Seattle. 3x crj700.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:27 pm

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Looks like DL will start Redmond - Seattle. 3x crj700.


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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:06 am

Would it really benefit BA to enter the PDX market when they already have flights from SEA, LAX, SFO, SAN and several other west coast cities all capable of connections on either Alaska or American (which offers considerable connections from PDX to LHR as well)?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:59 am

ooslc wrote:
Dreamflight767 wrote:
Think there is an AA 767 from ORD tonight.


Looks like a FR24 glitch to me. It was actually N932AN, a 738.



Thank you for catching my error. Sorry for the false news!
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:23 pm

Dreamflight767 wrote:
ooslc wrote:
Dreamflight767 wrote:
Think there is an AA 767 from ORD tonight.


Looks like a FR24 glitch to me. It was actually N932AN, a 738.



Thank you for catching my error. Sorry for the false news!


No problem, sometimes those thru flights that change equipment get messed up. AA87 is a 763 on LHR-ORD, then a 738 from ORD-PDX.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:56 pm

flyboy80 wrote:
Since United is now operating a few mainline flights each day from EUG have they reopened that station, or is it contracted ground handling?


Contracted out. Much larger stations with more mainline flights than EUG remain outsourced and likely will remain that way for the foreseeable future.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:24 am

Good to see that United is bringing back the seasonal Southwest Oregon (OTH) - DEN flight. Twice weekly flight (Wednesday and Sunday) on a CRJ-700. Mostly for the golfers to Bandon Dunes.

http://theworldlink.com/news/local/business/united-again-offers-direct-flights-from-north-bend-to-denver/article_0abf8707-72de-5961-98a4-e342060c13ce.html
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:39 am

I've been wondering who may handle the American Eagle (SkyWest) flights at MFR. OO/United Express, since it's SkyWest under the paint, or QX, with the AS* codeshare and similar systems (AS is Sabre under the hood.) ? I doubt AA/Envoy would staff it for just the two flights. Of course I hope it leads to more. Any inside scoop, or is it too soon? Who handles Eagle at EUG?
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:21 am

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I've been wondering who may handle the American Eagle (SkyWest) flights at MFR. OO/United Express, since it's SkyWest under the paint, or QX, with the AS* codeshare and similar systems (AS is Sabre under the hood.) ? I doubt AA/Envoy would staff it for just the two flights. Of course I hope it leads to more. Any inside scoop, or is it too soon? Who handles Eagle at EUG?


Interesting question. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Skywest is Delta in MFR. Delta and American aren't speaking to each other. But it wouldn't make any sense to have anyone but Skywest handle the aircraft, but using Horizon has the agent that the customer deals with makes sense especially since the two carriers LAX service don't overlap. So perhaps the handling will be spilt.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:44 am

I forgot about DLx at MFR. Both DLx and UAx flights are operated by OO. I have no idea who actually does the handling, though, the way both the majors contract out to the lowest bidder; they could both handled by OO staff, as separate or cross-utilized employees with both uniforms hanging in the lockers, or DL could have gone 3rd party to save a buck. Eagle just ads more interest to the pot.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:30 pm

Its rare to see snow like this at PDX !
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:53 pm

Regarding the ground handling- I can't speak for MFR, but in EUG Skywest no longer handles Delta Connection or United Express, as they used to. Now the handling is done by some third party non-airline company. Last time I flew Eagle out of EUG it was quite a mess. I'm not sure if its the same company that handles all three, but the agents at the ticket counter were wearing jeans and oversized polos with the contract companies logo, but the best was when one agent spit some chew out. Sad that a once long time career for many is now minimum wage and no benefits, with the customer service to match.
 
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Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:13 pm

DGS ground handles both UA and DL at MFR.
 
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Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:36 pm

A rare 10L arrival
 
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Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:23 pm

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Congrats PDX!! Imagine in 2 years we'll be well over the 20 million passenger............Exciting times ahead........ :D
 
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Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:30 pm

It would be interesting to know what percentage of traffic is O/D vs. connection. I would have to guess almost 80% to 90% of our traffic is O/D
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:22 pm

Nonstops still needed to boost those numbers:

Miami (American)
Baltimore year round
Dulles year round (United)

Paris (Norwegian)
London year round (?)
Icelandic and/or Condor year round

Asia: 787 Tokyo (JAL or ANA)
Seoul and/or Beijing
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:20 pm

There was a chartered cargo flight from PDX to Santiago, Chile last night...anyone know what was onboard?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:58 am

In looking ahead to Summer 2017...it appears that a handful of routes from PDX will not operate. One that I know for certain is PDX-ABQ on Southwest. As previously announced Alaska will fly PDX-ABQ using new Horizon E175 aircraft. Has Southwest relinquished this particular route or will they serve it on a seasonal basis? It also appears that Southwest will not be operating PDX-SNA non-stop flights. Additionally with just a cursory search I found nothing to indicate that Delta will be operating their seasonal PDX-ANC flights.

There are likely more cities that I'm possibly missing or my information may not be entirely accurate...therefore if anyone has anything that would substantiate the schedule information please provide details. I was mainly focusing on routes that will not operate...as opposed to previously announced new service, which obviously has been discussed in the Oregon Thread.
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Wed Feb 01, 2017 3:33 pm

Cathay preparing to taxi out with a delay of 14 hours. A rare night time departure.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:01 am

I hear rumor of Cargolux making a return to PDX in the near future. Not sure on details at this point of course, but it will likely be a very limited, 1x per week schedule and probably a tag-on much like the Cathay cargo service we see. Guess we'll find out in due time. Would be nice to see Cargolux in Portland again.
 
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Thu Feb 02, 2017 2:54 am

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I hear rumor of Cargolux making a return to PDX in the near future. Not sure on details at this point of course, but it will likely be a very limited, 1x per week schedule and probably a tag-on much like the Cathay cargo service we see. Guess we'll find out in due time. Would be nice to see Cargolux in Portland again.


Where did you hear this? Wouldn't surprise me. Intel is constantly sending expensive cargo between Oregon and Europe.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Thu Feb 02, 2017 3:56 am

flyoregon wrote:
I hear rumor of Cargolux making a return to PDX in the near future. Not sure on details at this point of course, but it will likely be a very limited, 1x per week schedule and probably a tag-on much like the Cathay cargo service we see. Guess we'll find out in due time. Would be nice to see Cargolux in Portland again.


That would be a welcome surprise if the rumors comes to fruition....(Finger crossed) ;)
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:46 am

How many summers did delta operate PDX-ANC? Was the flight daily, and for how much of the season? I know last year it was a 739
 
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How many summers did delta operate PDX-ANC? Was the flight daily, and for how much of the season? I know last year it was a 739


I believe at least the last two or three summers have seen Delta seasonal PDX-ANC flights. The flights operated daily from roughly the beginning of June until late August using the B737-900. Timing wise the flights were scheduled in a manner that took advantage of what would have normally been a RON aircraft. I was always under the impression that the flights did quite well for DL.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:59 pm

With Portland growing like I keep hearing it is, SEA up the road, LA down the road, and a major competitor with a true to life hub in Portland- is there any room for a year round HNL service? I believe NW/DL operated on a 753 for around 3 plus years? Its been said it would lose money, but fares from PDX to the Islands, not so sure about HNL, aren't what I'd consider cheap.
 
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Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:48 pm

flyboy80 wrote:
With Portland growing like I keep hearing it is, SEA up the road, LA down the road, and a major competitor with a true to life hub in Portland- is there any room for a year round HNL service? I believe NW/DL operated on a 753 for around 3 plus years? Its been said it would lose money, but fares from PDX to the Islands, not so sure about HNL, aren't what I'd consider cheap.


PDX does have year round service to HNL on HA and AS. Though Delta does have seasonal service to HNL during the winter months, I believe it is only for a couple of weeks in December. AS also has service to the other islands as well. Most people I think are expecting HA to add PDX-OGG again once they start receiving their new aircraft, A321. But who knows when that will happen since HA A321's are delayed.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Sun Feb 05, 2017 4:01 pm

Looks like FI will be going 6x/week PDX-KEF for July and August. Great news!!

It also appears AA will be flying PDX-DFW 6x daily this summer.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1354791
 
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Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:49 pm

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Looks like FI will be going 6x/week PDX-KEF for July and August. Great news!!

It also appears AA will be flying PDX-DFW 6x daily this summer.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1354791


Very great news indeed! Next is year-round...along with Condor.

Also wondered if anyone knows anything about AC bringing YYZ back?
 
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Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:51 am

flyoregon wrote:
ANA787 wrote:
Looks like FI will be going 6x/week PDX-KEF for July and August. Great news!!

It also appears AA will be flying PDX-DFW 6x daily this summer.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1354791


Very great news indeed! Next is year-round...along with Condor.

Also wondered if anyone knows anything about AC bringing YYZ back?


I just checked 30JUN and PDXYYZ is available. AC546 LV 810A AR 337P on an E90. Just noticed you have to pay for a seat assignment. Didn't know that!
 
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Tue Feb 07, 2017 8:09 pm

pdx wrote:
flyoregon wrote:
ANA787 wrote:
Looks like FI will be going 6x/week PDX-KEF for July and August. Great news!!

It also appears AA will be flying PDX-DFW 6x daily this summer.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1354791


Very great news indeed! Next is year-round...along with Condor.

Also wondered if anyone knows anything about AC bringing YYZ back?


I just checked 30JUN and PDXYYZ is available. AC546 LV 810A AR 337P on an E90. Just noticed you have to pay for a seat assignment. Didn't know that!


Awesome...maybe it'll be year-round this time.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:50 pm

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flyboy80 wrote:
How many summers did delta operate PDX-ANC? Was the flight daily, and for how much of the season? I know last year it was a 739


I believe at least the last two or three summers have seen Delta seasonal PDX-ANC flights. The flights operated daily from roughly the beginning of June until late August using the B737-900. Timing wise the flights were scheduled in a manner that took advantage of what would have normally been a RON aircraft. I was always under the impression that the flights did quite well for DL.


Last year was the first year DL flew PDX-ANC since the days of the PDX hub in the 90's. It seemed to do really well on loads, but yields might be another story. I love having B6 run PDX-ANC because it makes getting between the two cities very economical in the summer, but they've definitely lowered the market yield on the route. If B6 wasn't on it I bet DL would be more likely to return.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:36 am

Chugach wrote:
bigfoot0503 wrote:
flyboy80 wrote:
How many summers did delta operate PDX-ANC? Was the flight daily, and for how much of the season? I know last year it was a 739


Last year was the first year DL flew PDX-ANC since the days of the PDX hub in the 90's. It seemed to do really well on loads, but yields might be another story. I love having B6 run PDX-ANC because it makes getting between the two cities very economical in the summer, but they've definitely lowered the market yield on the route. If B6 wasn't on it I bet DL would be more likely to return.


Interesting point regarding B6. However I believe I saw recently that B6 was going to fly PDX-ANC & SEA-ANC with less frequency this summer. Last summer as I recall was a daily flight offering, haven't looked to see what this summer's schedule is yet.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:49 am

pnwpdx wrote:
flyboy80 wrote:
With Portland growing like I keep hearing it is, SEA up the road, LA down the road, and a major competitor with a true to life hub in Portland- is there any room for a year round HNL service? I believe NW/DL operated on a 753 for around 3 plus years? Its been said it would lose money, but fares from PDX to the Islands, not so sure about HNL, aren't what I'd consider cheap.


PDX does have year round service to HNL on HA and AS. Though Delta does have seasonal service to HNL during the winter months, I believe it is only for a couple of weeks in December. AS also has service to the other islands as well. Most people I think are expecting HA to add PDX-OGG again once they start receiving their new aircraft, A321. But who knows when that will happen since HA A321's are delayed.


I don't think DL entering the PDX-HNL market would do much than lower yields, I don't think there is a year round demand that is that high, when you consider the HA 330 & AS 739 doing it daily, as there are also numerous connections on DL, UA, AA or even VX to get to Hawaii.

UA recently published a fare for $356 r/t PDX-HNL, I don't know how much lower thay could go, but I paid $286.50 R/T in Nov 2015 on a combo of AS over & HA back. Fares hover in the $400-500 range on average, which is what I spend to fly to Virginia yearly.
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