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777 Pilots On 340

Sun Feb 10, 2002 10:23 pm

Imagine to be on a long transcontinental flight, for example a 777 JFK-HKG non stop.

The flight is ok, but unfortunately both the pilots have an heart attack and die in the middle of the flight.

Onboard, as a passenger (for pleasure) there is an Airbus 340 pilot.

Can he continue the flight and land safely the 777???

What about the opposite (a 777 pilot on a 340 transcontinental flight)?????

Thank you
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RE: 777 Pilots On 340

Sun Feb 10, 2002 10:28 pm

I don't know about the 340 pilot, it takes balls to fly the big 777.  Smile

If anything, I bet the A340 pilot could fly the 777, but if the tables were turned, the 777 pilot might have trouble flying the 340 with the joystick.

RE: 777 Pilots On 340

Sun Feb 10, 2002 10:37 pm

I would expect any transport category pilot to be able to land any category transport plane. Some of the 727 pilots might have trouble with some of the new system, but nothing they could not be talked through by a chap on the ground. I am not saying they could grease it in but they could get it down.
I also see no problems with the sidestick, infact I would put my money on when the plane is on short final the pilots would not be aware of the difference.
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RE: 777 Pilots On 340

Sun Feb 10, 2002 11:56 pm

Boeing pilots are not trained on any of the functions of the Airbus fly by wire system. Especially all of the functions that require right-clicking.


RE: 777 Pilots On 340

Mon Feb 11, 2002 12:01 am

^^ We are not talking about knowing the plane inside and out, we are talking about just getting the blessid thing on the ground with help over the radio!
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RE: 777 Pilots On 340

Mon Feb 11, 2002 12:05 am

Me too. To know an airbus inside and out, you'd need a degree in java, HTML, or at least FORTRAN.

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RE: 777 Pilots On 340

Mon Feb 11, 2002 12:10 am

I agree with Iainhol that any qualified airline pilot could fly it, especially with help from the ground. The flight would be mostly autopilot flown, maybe even autoland, and they all work very similarly. In the extremely unlikely event that something like this happened, it is likely that the plane would be vectored to a field with VMC and the pilot might make an autoland or maybe not and he would fly the thing a bit by hand to get the feel for it. But I have no doubt that any good pilot of a large airliner could fly any other large airliner if his life depended on it.
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RE: 777 Pilots On 340

Mon Feb 11, 2002 1:50 am

i agree.

The landing might be rough if he makes it by hand, but i'm sure that he could land it without problems.

Oh, and actually the FBW airbus is not such a big problem, with its autotrim feature the pilots should get used it within 5 minutes or something  Smile
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RE: 777 Pilots On 340

Mon Feb 11, 2002 1:52 am

Despite what A and B fans might think, airplanes are all very similar in nature. They are designed with the same principles. Knowing all the basics, and having airline experience, yes, I do believe that any airline pilot with some experience could get any other airline down safely. They might have to do a go around, and they will need to know what the stall speeds are, etc, but in the end, they'll get the aircraft on the ground.

All modern airliners have similar flight characteristics, they do similar things when they stall, etc etc.
"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
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RE: 777 Pilots On 340

Mon Feb 11, 2002 2:07 am

Both the B777 and the Airbus A340 can land themselves when programmed correctly; I would imagine that someone on the ground could tell the 'new' pilot how to do this and just let the aircraft do the landing...

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RE: 777 Pilots On 340

Mon Feb 11, 2002 2:12 am

JvW came up with the perfect solution. Which just proves the KISS principle.
But let us say that the incidental pilot wants to hand fly the plane down - I say of course he will land it safely. Just think - an A340 driver in a B777 driver's seat (or vice verca): How resistible is that?
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RE: 777 Pilots On 340

Mon Feb 11, 2002 4:49 pm

I also think any qualified airline pilot could land it, especially with help from the ground.

Sure an A340 pilot could fly a B777 easier than me Smile!!!
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RE: 777 Pilots On 340

Mon Feb 11, 2002 9:37 pm

Just as a matter of interest. SAA pilots will soon be flying both the 340 and the 777 in a flyoff for the SAA order.

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RE: 777 Pilots On 340

Tue Feb 12, 2002 12:33 am

Yoke or sidestick doesn't matter. What a 777 pilot will have difficulty is 340's 4 engines. As you know, 4 engine-system is quite more difficult to operate.

But I agree that if it's on emergency, both of pilots can land the opposite side relatively easily.

RE: 777 Pilots On 340

Tue Feb 12, 2002 4:14 am

I do see why 4 engines will be any different the 2, on the basic level of getting the plane down.
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RE: 777 Pilots On 340

Tue Feb 12, 2002 7:16 am

I would expect any reasonably skilled pilot to actually be handle the job. Transport pilots would have it the easiest, of course.

But the truth is, training (and type-specific training) is largely about extreme issues -- when the aircraft systems malfunction. Flying an "all engines" approach, even in poor weather, isn't that bad. The toughest thing would be figuring out the autopilot controls, but the truth is, if you can disconnect it (and usually that's really simple), you should be able to hand fly the plane safely.

You set up your approach early, get on your airspeed, and fly down the glideslope. You might even get a greaser out of it.  Smile


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