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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2017

Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:50 am

PR operated their first MNL-AKL non stop today using an A343. Operates 3 weekly.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2017

Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:32 pm

ZK-NBT wrote:
PR operated their first MNL-AKL non stop today using an A343. Operates 3 weekly.

Thanks...any info on the number of passengers?


PAL announces their A359's delivery schedule..... :hyper:

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... mment-form

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"Flag carrier Philippine Airlines (PAL) has announced that it will take delivery of the A350-900 ultra-long haul aircraft beginning June 2018 with first flight bound to Toronto, Canada.

The changed plan was brought by regulatory delays which prompted the airline to defer inaugural Manila to New York direct flight which is tentatively set as early as August 2018 coinciding with the delivery of the second A350.

The airline will take delivery of four 295 seater Airbus A350-900 with 3 class configuration in 2018 with the first frame arriving in June, according to PAL President Jaime J. Bautista.

'We will receive another one in August, September and December,' Bautista remarks.

In the meantime, two new Boeing 777-300ER planes will be arriving in the Philippines on December 16 and 19 according to PAL for rotations to North America and London."



So.....no livery tweaks. :expressionless:



Meanwhile, tycoons signal their interest to bid for NAIA's upgrade and renovation..... :spin:

http://business.inquirer.net/242132/tyc ... -rehab-bid

Quote:
"Seven of the country’s biggest conglomerates confirmed they were looking at rehabilitating and redeveloping the Ninoy Aquino International Airport— the strongest signal yet from the private sector on the pressing need to upgrade the country’s busiest air gateway.

The companies included Andrew Tan’s Alliance Globe Group Inc., Ayala Corp., Aboitiz Equity Ventures Inc., Manuel V. Pangilinan-led Metro Pacific Investments Corp., Gotianun-led Filinvest Development Corp., Gokongwei-led JG Summit Holdings Inc. and Lucio Tan’s LT Group.

Two of those groups, JG Summit and LT Group, own the country’s two largest commercial air carriers, Cebu Pacific Air and Philippine Airlines, respectively.

[.....]

They confirmed their potential participation in separate, similarly worded statements. Without confirming talks with each other, each group said discussions were still exploratory and no formal agreement had been signed.

A source noted that the groups were bound by confidentiality agreements.

'It is exciting and will benefit the Filipino people and the economy significantly,' the source said.

The groups are expected to submit an unsolicited offer, which would later require a competitive challenge."



Not a moment too soon! :old:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2017

Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:20 pm

295 seater? That’s less than the recently reconfigured 309 sweater a330 ...

According to another forum it’s as follows

BCL - 30 (1-2-1 config)
PECY - 24 (2-4-2)
ECY - 241 (3-3-3)
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2017

Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:59 pm

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295 seater? That’s less than the recently reconfigured 309 sweater a330 ...

Well, PR is striving to raise its rating...and both are very long, nonstop polar sectors they're intending to deploy the A359 on. :stretch:

Yahnih wrote:
According to another forum it’s as follows

BCL - 30 (1-2-1 config)
PECY - 24 (2-4-2)
ECY - 241 (3-3-3)

It's a bit more premium but it all adds up. I was expecting a somewhat reversed seat count giving 6 rows for J and ~3.75 rows for Y+. We'd know for sure soon enough when PR releases the official seat plan. Or better yet, actual interior photos or videos. :camera:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2017

Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:02 pm

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cityairline wrote:
Hope the government will move faster for a solution!

Sweden is offering assistance in that regard.....

http://www.philstar.com/business/2017/1 ... evelopment

Thanks for the news, as a half-Swede/half-Filipino that's good news to me ;)
Although I didn't know we had any expertise in airport congestion matters, when space is all we have up here...
And when it comes to airport development and infrastructure, I would place us far from the top in European rankings. I even work at one of Sweden's major airports and the list of things that could be improved is endless... But an interesting collaboration nontheless!


Does anyone know anything more about this? Even if this is "just" the first half, didn't this come very fast out of nowhere?
https://business.inquirer.net/241910/1s ... january-18
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2017

Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:49 pm

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I even work at one of Sweden's major airports and the list of things that could be improved is endless... But an interesting collaboration nontheless!

I think they're mostly interested in technology heavy data processing, airport communications and air traffic control systems. Although I'm mostly intrigued about their Gripen E. :)

cityairline wrote:
Does anyone know anything more about this? Even if this is "just" the first half, didn't this come very fast out of nowhere?
https://business.inquirer.net/241910/1s ... january-18

The rail connection to CRK had seen a series of fits and starts. It couldn't have come soon enough. Relative to that is this piece of news.....

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/950855/ch ... lway-homes

Quote:
"As of the latest count, 638 families are staying on the abandoned tracks of the PNR project from Manila to Clark, part of the road right-of-way for the new railway project to be built using Japan’s official development assistance.

Timothy John Batan, transportation assistant secretary for railways, said 414 families would be resettled to make way for Phase 1 of the project that runs from Tutuban in Divisoria, Manila, to the City of Malolos in Bulacan province.

That number, Batan said, was based on the project’s post detailed engineering resettlement action plan.

Phase 2 of the project from the City of Malolos to Clark will call for the relocation of 224 families, a number that 'may still change during the project’s detailed engineering design,' he said."



And while I wish the trains to be like this.....

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https://www.comeca-group.com/sites/defa ... trains.jpg

.....the project is being funded by JICA, so the rolling stock would likely be Japanese as well.


I'm wondering if they could extend the tracks from the Nichols train station to have direct spur access to NAIA terminals..... :confused:

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There's already a proposal to connect NAIAX to BGC.....

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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2017

Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:02 pm

The Inquirer reports that the Government is receptive to big business' unsolicited proposal to develop and modernize NAIA.....

http://business.inquirer.net/242318/gov ... ehab-offer


At the same time, the paper's editorial decries the lack of a definite policy with regards to aviation in the country.....

http://opinion.inquirer.net/109387/need ... ort-policy

Quote:
"The move is also an indication of the reluctance of big business to move away from Naia, which is now bursting at the seams servicing more than 42 million passengers a year, or 40 percent above its design capacity.

PAL has been lukewarm to the idea of moving away from Naia and, in fact, proposed last August a P20-billion annex building to Naia’s Terminal 2 to augment capacity. PAL has been operating mainly out of Terminal 2 of the Naia complex.

The problem is that the government remains undecided on what to do with the congestion at Naia.

Last year, the Department of Transportation put on hold a P75-billion public-private partnership project to develop and privatize the operations of Naia.

The government seems bent — so far — on expanding Clark International Airport in Pampanga — another alternative—without saying a word about the fate of Naia.

Clark has received both positive and negative feedback from stakeholders — although the main problem of its distance to the metropolis could be remedied by a high-speed railway from the airport all the way to Bonifacio Global City.

The latest unsolicited proposal is indeed a significant development, but could be delayed by the uncertainty in the aviation industry where government policy is either lacking or flipflopping"
.


If they would not provide direct rail access into the airport, then they should at least build a nice, secure station at the location of the present one where airport shuttles could stop and wait to pick up and drop off passengers at regular intervals. With the influence and financial clout of the proponents, perhaps they might even be able to buyout the property owners adjacent to the airport perimeter to build a parallel runway in the near future. :scratchchin:



Cebu Pacific has announced the start of MNL-MEL service starting middle of 2018 using A330-300.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... s-mel.html

Quote:
"Low cost carrier Cebu Pacific has announced that it will fly from Manila to Melbourne by the middle of 2018.

[.....]

Manataring said the airline requested for 872 seats between Manila and Melbourne equivalent to thrice a week schedule on the A330-300 which the airline intends to use."




In the meantime, 5J has also received its latest ATR72-600.....

http://www.philstar.com/business/2017/1 ... d-aircraft

Quote:
"MANILA, Philippines — Leading carrier Cebu Pacific Air took delivery of a brand-new ATR 72-600 aircraft, bringing its total fleet size to 62 planes. This new ATR 72-600 is the eighth of the 16 firm orders CEB made with the Franco-Italian aircraft manufacturer in 2016."




And finally, a glimpse into one of the terminal proposals for CRK.....

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Looks like the billion dollar terminal upthread in one of the -Stans. :eyepopping:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2017

Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:34 pm

Is that a Boeing airbus hyrbid plane in that concept art!?? Bc I can’t tell if it’s supposed to be widebody or narrowbody gate Terminal
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2017

Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:01 pm

Yahnih wrote:
Is that a Boeing airbus hyrbid plane in that concept art!?? Bc I can’t tell if it’s supposed to be widebody or narrowbody gate Terminal

What I'm concerned about is how this jives in with the overall CRK development plan, and those planes overhanging the GSE lanes. Design aircraft lengths should at least include the 777Xs, A35K, 787-10, A330NEOs and A321(22), 73J, CSeries and the future 797 (NMA) ...and contact gates defined per aircraft category. It would be enlightening to know the aircraft mix and volume wrt forecast demand and growth, to determine the number of gates, spacings and aircraft movements per day, as well as the terminal's designed annual pax carrying capacity. The bid committee might announce the detailed terms of reference after the proposal opening on Friday.

I can imagine those PR tails being swamped once the proponent across the water wins. :spin:



Meanwhile, look who's backing the NAIAX's extension to BGC..... :eyebrow: .....

http://www.philstar.com/business/2017/1 ... ension-bgc
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2017

Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:02 pm

So...it appears GMR-Megawide is the lowest bidder for CRK international airport's Terminal 2..... :wideeyed: .....

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http://business.inquirer.net/242504/cla ... r-terminal

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"A venture between Megawide Construction Corp. and India’s GMR Infrastructure emerged as the frontrunner Thursday in a public auction to build a new passenger terminal for Clark International Airport in Pampanga province. Megawide-GMR, which operates the Mactan Cebu International Airport, bested four other groups, including big state-owned firms in China.

The Duterte administration, through the Bases Conversion and Development Authority, has committed to expand Clark Airport, an underused air gateway it wants to position as an alternative to the congested Ninoy Aquino International Airport in Manila.

Megawide-GMR was regarded the frontrunner with its offer to build a new terminal in Clark Airport, estimated by the government to cost P12.55 billion, for P9.36 billion. The lowest qualified bid was the main parameter in Thursday’s auction.

Megawide’s offer was lower than Tokwing Construction Corp. and China Machinery Engineering Corp. (P12.45 billion), China State Construction Engineering Corp. Ltd. (P12.298 billion), China Harbour Engineering Co. Ltd. (P11.73 billion) and Sinohydro Corp. Ltd. (P10.68 billion).

Jake Bingcang, chair of the BCDA special bids and awards committee, said Megawide-GMR’s offer would still be subject to further review in the next few days. He said an award could be ready by Dec. 18, 2017, with groundbreaking of the project set by Dec. 20."



While on the surface Tokwing's proposal is the most expensive among the lot, it seems to offer the biggest potential for future growth (hopefully, actual traffic demand mirrors such a projection) provided the company has a successful track record in building and running an airport. GMR's entry suffers from lack of imagination by rehashing CEB T2's general form...that I wish they could pay the designer of record (AdP?) just to be allowed to construct the conceptual design shown in #200 upthread...and merely run the O&M contract themselves.

But these questions bug me, whoever emerges the final winner. What will they use for a control tower as none of the renderings show any and CRK's existing ATC tower is dilapidated and older than me? :old: Ditto with the runway, taxiways and ramps. Did the bidders each submit a definitive site development plan :?:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2017

Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:32 pm

Some new flights starting today (15th) and tomorrow (16th):

Today:

PR CRK-BCD
PR CRK-TAG
Z2 CRK-MPH

Tomorrow:

PR CRK-CGY
PR MNL-YYZ (goes NONSTOP)

I also believe PR's 9th and 10th 77W are arriving in the coming days...
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2017

Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:28 pm

cityairline wrote:
PR MNL-YYZ (goes NONSTOP)

I was hoping #9 would do this on its maiden flight homeward but it did not.....

cityairline wrote:
I also believe PR's 9th and 10th 77W are arriving in the coming days...

.....Instead, RP-C7781 repositioned to YVR and flew from there for its first revenue flight home..... :airplane:

(from 777 T&P Thread).....

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https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 4452947968


http://www.philippineairlines.com/en/ab ... nts/9-b777

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"Philippine Airlines (PAL) took delivery of its ninth Boeing 777-300ER and will use the new airplane primarily on routes from Manila to North America. The carrier flew the 777-300ER directly from Everett, Washington at 7:32PM US time Dec.14 (11:32AM MNL time Dec.15) to Vancouver, British Columbia, where the airplane will enter revenue service to Manila. PAL's 10th 777 will be delivered in a few days. The new deliveries bring the PAL fleet count to 88."


RP-C7782 will follow shortly.....

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https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/939252684690825216



Here's Philstar's take on GMR-Megawide's leading position re CRK T2 tender.....

Quote:
"The BCDA official, however, said the Megawide-GMR consortium is not assured yet of winning the project despite submitting the lowest bid.

'They are the lowest rated bid right now. But we’ll make sure they are responsive as well. So there will be clarification of the submitted documents,' he said.

'We’re going to do post-qualification in the next two days and then our board meeting will be on Monday so we’ll request for board approval on the outcome of the bidding, especially on the recommendation on the lowest rated and responsive bid,' Bingcang added.

He said the project will be awarded to the winning proponent next Monday with the project expected to break ground by Wednesday."
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2017

Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:59 pm

Congrats to PR on it''s nonstop to YYZ and the fabulous news the A350 will have It''s first flight to YYZ. Should have some beautiful late evening light in June to see her arrival. Thanks for being the firest A350 to YYZ!!!!
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2017

Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:08 pm

Devilfish wrote:
cityairline wrote:
PR MNL-YYZ (goes NONSTOP)

I was hoping #9 would do this on its maiden flight homeward but it did not.....

cityairline wrote:
I also believe PR's 9th and 10th 77W are arriving in the coming days...

.....Instead, RP-C7781 repositioned to YVR and flew from there for its first revenue flight home..... :airplane:

(from 777 T&P Thread).....

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https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 4452947968


http://www.philippineairlines.com/en/ab ... nts/9-b777

Quote:
"Philippine Airlines (PAL) took delivery of its ninth Boeing 777-300ER and will use the new airplane primarily on routes from Manila to North America. The carrier flew the 777-300ER directly from Everett, Washington at 7:32PM US time Dec.14 (11:32AM MNL time Dec.15) to Vancouver, British Columbia, where the airplane will enter revenue service to Manila. PAL's 10th 777 will be delivered in a few days. The new deliveries bring the PAL fleet count to 88."


RP-C7782 will follow shortly.....

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https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/939252684690825216



Here's Philstar's take on GMR-Megawide's leading position re CRK T2 tender.....

Quote:
"The BCDA official, however, said the Megawide-GMR consortium is not assured yet of winning the project despite submitting the lowest bid.

'They are the lowest rated bid right now. But we’ll make sure they are responsive as well. So there will be clarification of the submitted documents,' he said.

'We’re going to do post-qualification in the next two days and then our board meeting will be on Monday so we’ll request for board approval on the outcome of the bidding, especially on the recommendation on the lowest rated and responsive bid,' Bingcang added.

He said the project will be awarded to the winning proponent next Monday with the project expected to break ground by Wednesday."



Boeing Press Release for the delivery of RP-C7781

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2017-12-15- ... -777-300ER
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2017

Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:25 pm

If the private sector is really that keen on keeping NAIA (while building a new hub, I would assume), here is what IMO should be done while the gov't decides what to do regarding the airport.
1. Demolish T1. No amount of facelifts will be able to fix that basketcase of a terminal.
2. Demolish T4 and build a new terminal for small aircraft.
3. Expand T2. If PAL is really serious in the foreign partner thing, this is the least they can do (and they seem to be willing to).
4. Renovate and expand T3 so it handle more airlines and pax lost from the demolition of T1.

At this point what I'm hoping for is a setup similar to that in Tokyo, where you have one airport (NRT, in this instance) as the global gateway, while you have another airport (HND in the Tokyo example) for domestic operations and select international routes, but I guess we'll only get to see that if PAL is willing to move of out MNL and move to the new airport.




On another note, regarding PR's A359s, any word on the J and Y+ product they'll be using? I'm expecting (and hoping) they'll use the seats they're using on the retrofitted A330s. If they don't that will be a massive disappointment and another misstep by PAL management (which includes installing what is definitely a more inferior J class on their new 777s).
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2017

Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:30 pm

Saw this in SkyscraperCity.....PR's maiden MNL-YYZ flight operated by RP-C7779... :airplane: ...

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Fourteen-hour flight :?: That's making very good time :!: And looks like the track is taking it mostly over northern Canada..... :scratchchin:


cityairline wrote:
Some new flights starting today (15th) and tomorrow (16th):

Today:

PR CRK-BCD
PR CRK-TAG
Z2 CRK-MPH

Tomorrow:

PR CRK-CGY


Report in Inquirer.net.....

http://business.inquirer.net/242631/pal ... ghts-clark

Hopefully, none was affected by Urduja..... :crossfingers:
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