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chrisnh
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How Is DL BOS-LGW Doing?

Mon Feb 11, 2002 7:48 pm

Now that Delta has Boston-London/Gatwick to themselves, how are they doing on the run? I am hearing that they're not doing that well, but to me that's a function more of the environment and time of year more than anything else. I guess a clue would be whether they stick with a 767-300 through the peak summer season, or bump up capacity to a 777 or MD-11 (neither of which I see happening, unless it's a well-kept secret by DL).

It does seem, despite attempts to sway the flying public, that people continue to prefer Heathrow over Gatwick. Virgin made the hop quite willingly on the BOS run, and boosted capacity from a 747-200 to a 747-400 in the process. I'm hoping Delta does well, because this is their first transatlantic run out of Boston...one of a series of routes they have planned out of here. My sense is that if you can't make Boston-London work (LGW or LHR), then the other routes would seem to be in question...independent of the competition incumbent on the route. The one route I could see a good return on is Boston-Dublin. Aer Lingus has had this to themselves since the world was flat, and all the times I've been on those A330s (four times now, and always in the low season), the planes have been full or nearly so.

Chris in New Hampshire
 
BestWestern
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RE: How Is DL BOS-LGW Doing?

Mon Feb 11, 2002 9:57 pm

I just came back from BOS with DL, and the loads were pretty light.

LGW-BOS 2nd Feb,
80 in econ 22 in Biz Elite.

BOS - LGW 9th Feb
55 in economy, 5 revenue passengers in Biz Elite.

The onboard service in Biz-elite service was excellent, with superb cabin crew both ways.

From BOS we flew to MCO with Delta Express, and also, the service was excellent (for low cost), and the cabin crew really cared. on the 2nd, 90% full, on the 8th, 15 seats available.
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donder10
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RE: How Is DL BOS-LGW Doing?

Mon Feb 11, 2002 10:04 pm

They are not doing too well to say the least.
 
Frostbite
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RE: How Is DL BOS-LGW Doing?

Tue Feb 12, 2002 5:18 am

I expect this route to be axed in the very near future. DL's idea of establishing a transatlantic network out of BOS seemed a little half-baked to begin with....especially beginning with a route to LGW, when the (heavy) competition operates into LHR. Yields have apparently fallen way short of expectations (ie the BizElite numbers Best Western posted) and DL is having a hard time getting even a 50% load factor on 763s with bargain-basement fares.
Sure, it's the off season, and of course 9/11 threw a 100-pound monkey wrench in the works, but I just don't see why DL would want to continue down this path.
It seems like the logical thing, and the thing they've tended towards for years, is to put that intl. 763 back through a hub city. For example, there is a long list of JFK/ATL-Europe routes which have been suspended in recent times (pre- and post-9/11) which would probably work better than BOS-LGW.

Just my two cents....then again BOS has historically been a high-yield market so DL might be willing to ride out this period in hopes of getting a bigger slice of the pie when times get good again.
 
MAH4546
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RE: How Is DL BOS-LGW Doing?

Tue Feb 12, 2002 6:00 am

I say move the flight to FLL.
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padcrasher
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RE: How Is DL BOS-LGW Doing?

Tue Feb 12, 2002 6:15 am

Nothing but Y inventory this Thur-Sun. That means it's oversold. Does not operate on Tuesdays. J is full on these dates as well.
 
2cn
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RE: How Is DL BOS-LGW Doing?

Tue Feb 12, 2002 6:16 am

Wasnt the flight going out with higher loads before 9/11? Or was who ever posted that here on these boards in a past topic on this flight wrong?
 
Delta15
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RE: How Is DL BOS-LGW Doing?

Tue Feb 12, 2002 6:45 am

yes, pre 9-11 the flight was doing incredibly well.
 
afitch7881
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RE: How Is DL BOS-LGW Doing?

Tue Feb 12, 2002 6:48 am

Send that 767 on a BDL-BOS-LGW and LGW-BOS-BDL route to maximize potential!!!!!

Eastern and Pan Am did it before!

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RE: How Is DL BOS-LGW Doing?

Tue Feb 12, 2002 8:37 am

Great...Let's follow the routings of 2 failed airlines!

The a/c for the BOS flights actually started in LAX.

There is a strategy in place for BOS in the DL system. There is a toss up between US, DL and AA for dominance in BOS. It is a high yield city and supports a broad range of products offered by DL. It is the only station in the DL system to offer all DL products (DL Express, Connection, Shuttle, Mainline and Int'l service [BusinessElite]).

BOS will never be as big for o/d int'l traffic as JFK, it is important for DL to diversify its int'l offerings other than hub and JFK traffic.
 
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RE: How Is DL BOS-LGW Doing?

Tue Feb 12, 2002 8:54 am

what if the route was:
iad-bos-lgw
phl-bos-lgw
jfk-bos-lgw
ewr-bos-lgw
would any of these routes increase the # of passengers?
 
haveric
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RE: How Is DL BOS-LGW Doing?

Tue Feb 12, 2002 8:57 am

All of those cities already have multiple carrier supporting non-stop service to LGW and/or LHR. I don't see why passengers would want to stop in Boston on their way...

Eric
 
nonrevman
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RE: How Is DL BOS-LGW Doing?

Tue Feb 12, 2002 9:07 am

Delta is continuing with the construction of thier terminal in BOS. The JFK expansion is "on hold". I think Delta is not in a big hurry to cut the service out of BOS.
 
FlyPNS1
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RE: How Is DL BOS-LGW Doing?

Tue Feb 12, 2002 12:42 pm

Even though BOS-LGW is currently a loser, I think DL will hold on to it. They are trying to build up their presence in BOS and they need an int'l presence in order to really achieve that. DL has been slowly increasing the feed into BOS...Halifax will be added in May. Also, DL has the route authority to fly CDG-BOS, but they have delayed it for now.

Next, I think DL should add routes like ALB-BOS, SYR-BOS and really stick it to USAirways. DL has RJ's and US still flies props on these routes. Plus, DL can offer more int'l connections...LGW on DL metal and codeshares to MXP and CDG.
 
ScottB
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RE: How Is DL BOS-LGW Doing?

Tue Feb 12, 2002 12:50 pm

I'd imagine that BOS-LGW is oversold this coming weekend because the winter school vacation week in Massachusetts is next week. It's a great time to take your kids for a week in England if you're so inclined.
 
donder10
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RE: How Is DL BOS-LGW Doing?

Tue Feb 12, 2002 12:54 pm

However,yield is the key.
 
padcrasher
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RE: How Is DL BOS-LGW Doing?

Tue Feb 12, 2002 3:09 pm

No doubt, it's no a pot of gold.

I wonder how UA is fairing? They're hard pressed in BOS.
Plenty of inventory available on the dates DL is oversold.
 
BestWestern
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RE: How Is DL BOS-LGW Doing?

Tue Feb 12, 2002 6:58 pm

Delta have pulled back from daily to x5 weekly for February, but planning a daily rotation from March. It is loaded for the summer season as a daily 767-300ER.

I know that last summer DL were planning either a CDG - BOS - SEA or a DUB - BOS - SFO to compliment their BOS - LAX biz elite service.

There are no direct BOS-SEA or CDG-SEA services.

As Delta has a far stronger hub in JFK, I am wondering why they dont operate the route to JFK instead. LGW has now no JFK service.

From a personal point of view... As someone with gazillions of Skymiles to use up, the BOS service is excellent, as there is always availability in Biz Elite.

One big pain is BOS airport. LGW - BOS arrives in Terminal E (think dump), and the onward flights depart Terminal C or A (DL shuttle).
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