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Sky News: Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

Tue Feb 12, 2002 4:56 pm

Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

An Iranian passenger plane has crashed near the western city of Khorramabad.

Iranian airlines have been dogged by accidents in recent years.

Subject to US sanctions, the country has had difficulty obtaining spare parts for its ageing fleet of aircraft.

Last May a plane carrying 30 people, including the transport minister and seven parliamentarians, crashed near the northern town of Sari, killing all on board.

More follows...

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RE: Sky News: Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

Tue Feb 12, 2002 5:12 pm

http://www.skynews.co.uk/skynews/article/0,,30000-1043780,00.html
 
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RE: Sky News: Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

Tue Feb 12, 2002 5:45 pm

Oh, no! It is a Tu-154 again!!!!!



Iranian Airtours at least 100 people are dead!
 
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RE: Sky News: Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

Tue Feb 12, 2002 5:51 pm

Please! Not another crash - this is getting too much to take! My condolences to all who lost loved ones in the crash. May they all rest in peace. I have not heard anything else about it but I will check it out.

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RE: Sky News: Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

Tue Feb 12, 2002 6:00 pm

Latest....

Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

An Iranian passenger plane carrying almost 150 people has crashed near the western city of Khorramabad but there is no immediate news of casualties.

It belonged to Iran Air Tours - part of state carrier Iran Air.

The plane, a Russian-built Tupolev-154, was carrying a full complement of 148 passengers, according to officials.

Disappeared from radar

It was flying from Tehran to Khorramabad, near the Zagros mountains, but disappeared from radar screens south west of the city.

Iranian airlines have been dogged by accidents in recent years.

Iran is subject to US sanctions and has had difficulty obtaining spare parts for its ageing fleet of Boeing aircraft.

In recent years it has had to turn to leasing planes from former Soviet countries.

Sanctions

The sanctions bar the sale of Boeing airliners to Iran and hinder the acquisition of other aircraft, many of which rely on US-built engines and other components.

Last May a Russian-built Yakovlev-40 plane carrying 30 people, including the transport minister and seven parliamentarians, crashed near the northern town of Sari, killing all on board.

Iranian MPs called for tighter aircraft safety measures following that tragedy.

www.sky.com/skynews......
 
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RE: Sky News: Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

Tue Feb 12, 2002 6:10 pm

Those sanctions are really beginning to bite Iran's civil aviation industry. Iran Air has done a relatively good job in keeping those elderly Boeings and Airbuses alive despite the US sanctions (sometimes misquoted as UN sanctions) but the time has come for a revamping of the fleet. Iran Air has just taken some Turkish A310-200s and are considering some of their 300s as well but new planes, which they really wish to purchase, cannot be sourced from the West due to the sanctions.

Unfortunately, this is where politics is wreaking havoc with air safety.

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RE: Sky News: Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

Tue Feb 12, 2002 6:12 pm

 Sad
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RE: Sky News: Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

Tue Feb 12, 2002 6:15 pm

The exact number of pax onboard should have been 105.

My thoughts go to their families and beloveds...

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RE: Sky News: Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

Tue Feb 12, 2002 6:37 pm

it must have been this flight:

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The type of plane indicated in the OAG is a Yak 42, though.

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RE: Sky News: Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

Tue Feb 12, 2002 6:47 pm

Excuse me.....but explain to me why the US embargo would have any effect on the safety of this TU-154.

Last time I checked there wasn't any US built parts in one of those things.

I know you guys aren't suggesting that Russian built aircraft aren't safe because that isn't true either.

The fact is that the US embargo against Iran has squat to do with the loss of this aircraft.
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RE: Sky News: Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

Tue Feb 12, 2002 7:06 pm

Trintocan,

I don't know if Iran Air has Airbus aircrafts but if it does,
that is not really a problem as the EU doesn't have
a commercial embargo against this country and thus
the company can easily pay spares and maintenance!
Moreover, the aircraft crashed was russian made so it's
probably not something linked to international politics
even if I totally disagree with the US embargo....By the
way, do you know that since 1979 and the fall of the
Iranian Emperor, they are still able to fly their Tomcats
and other US made military aircrafts ??? I'm just amazed
how they can without spares  Big grin

Anyway, all my sympathy for the families and relatives!

best wishes,
 
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RE: Sky News: Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

Tue Feb 12, 2002 7:26 pm

ABC News Net:

Iranian plane crashes with 160 people aboard

An Iranian Tupolev airliner has crashed near Khorramabad in south-west Iran with 160 passengers and crew aboard.

"There is little chance of there being any survivors," an official said, adding that the Iran Air Tours plane had come down in mountainous terrain, which was very difficult to reach.

He said there was a violent explosion when the plane crashed and rescue services had been dispatched to the scene by helicopter and other means.

An official at the governor's office earlier said that the aircraft had crashed shortly after taking off on an internal flight from Khorramabad to Tehran, but the state news agency IRNA said it was arriving from the capital.

Iran Air Tours is a subsidiary of state airline Iran Air.

On February 8, 1993 a Tupolev 154 of the company collided with an Iranian air force fighter on taking off from Tehran airport, killing all 131 aboard.

 
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RE: Sky News: Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

Tue Feb 12, 2002 8:39 pm

Tca256,

How many of those F-14s are still flying? Maybe one or two - most were stripped for parts years ago.

My condolences to the families - most of which surely have nothing to do with the asswipes in the clergy that run the place, and had the sanctions imposed by their own foolishness, which they continue to this day.

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RE: Sky News: Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

Tue Feb 12, 2002 11:30 pm

Hi Charles,

Well, I've checked some pictures dated from two or
three years ago showing active F14's and gunship
Cobra's....I may be half wrong as it's true they probably
needed to strip most of their fleets in order to have spares! sure!  Big grin You got half of the point...  Big grin
 
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RE: Sky News: Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

Wed Feb 13, 2002 12:25 am

Sad sad news...it really is. May they rest in peace
 
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RE: Sky News: Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

Wed Feb 13, 2002 2:07 am

Registration was EP-MBS, the aircraft only joined the fleet in January...

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RE: Sky News: Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

Wed Feb 13, 2002 2:33 am

Yes dudes, it was a TU-154 with 148 pax from "Iran Air Tours" on the way from Teheran to Chorramabad. The news are talking about old aircrafts but the US embargo is making it very difficult for Iran Air to hold all planes on a safty standard. That means only old and not original aircraft parts for the planes. That is sad!
Regards

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RE: Sky News: Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

Wed Feb 13, 2002 2:40 am

What a surprise Iran air has a crash and the incompetance is transferred to the us government, prehaps iran wasnt a sponsor of terrorism then they wopuldnt have sanctions, of course some peoples brains cant comprehend that iran isnt a saint.

another dreadful air disaster, how many people were actually on this plane, the figures changes a bit, never mind, thats irrelavant and so is blaming the usa, over a hundred have died and my thoughts are with them.
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RE: Sky News: Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

Wed Feb 13, 2002 3:18 am

"How about leaving them alone and not telling them how to live their life? It seems these sanctions were not able to accomplish anything but suffering for the ordinary people in the last 20 years."

We'll let them live their lives as they want when they allow us to live our lives without the fear that their government is building weapons of mass destruction for the sole purpose of aiming them at us. We'll let them live their lives when they get a Government in power that does not support international terrorism. We'll let them live their lives when they get a Government in power that does not take innocent Americans hostage for 444 days. And we'll let them live their lives when they stop sending boatloads of weapons/supplies to another terrorist, Arafat, so he can give them to his buddies who will then use them to blow up innocent people in Temples, buses, wedding halls, and beach parties.

By the way, it's interesting to see how many immediately jump on the bandwagon that this accident must have been caused by a defective part, which couldn't be replaced due to the embargo.

Information coming from my sources in Iran says that this aircraft was on approach in piss poor weather (near blizzard conditions), and all indications at the moment point to another instance of Controlled Flight into Terrain. Hardly something that ending any embargo could've avoided.
 
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RE: Sky News: Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

Wed Feb 13, 2002 3:35 am

And, pray tell, what weapons of mass destruction are the Iranians conjuring up, other than those conjured up in the whimsical fantasia of the Bush speech? Yes, the right wing mullahs are a bunch of cretins who should be booted out of power, but we do business with the worst bunch of right wing cretins around, i.e., the Saudi government, which has no worse a human rights record than any of the loony Iranian mullahs. As far as the Teheran-Arafat connection is concerned, its all hearsay, and besides Arafat isn't even responsible for the bombings in Israel. You may mean Hamas, but again a direct Teheran-Hamas connection is just conjecture. The Bush speech was aimed more at internal Iranian politics, specifically to criticize the far-right crackdowns that the mullahs are engaging in against their more liberal opposition. In the last few years, Washington has been hoping for a more liberal government in Teheran, and the recent events in Iran indicated that liberalization attempts are being curtailed by the mullahs in the worst possible way.

That having been said, if Iran Air can't buy modern American jets, then criticize the mullahs, not the US. The US can choose who to sell aircraft to. If Washington believes that an embargo is the way to go, so be it. The Mullahs can't have their cake and eat it too. Advocating a return to the middle ages while insisting that we sell them modern Boeing jets is hypocrisy at its worst.
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RE: Sky News: Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

Wed Feb 13, 2002 3:41 am

While I am not going into details and discuss your other
``points'' I would like to ask one question about you most
hypocritical one:

>>
We'll let them live their lives as they want when they allow us to live our lives without the fear that their government is building weapons of mass destruction for the sole purpose of aiming them at us.
<<

The US has thousands of nuclear warheads that could be used
against anyone on the Earth in short notice. Futhermore, Israel
has her own inventory of nuclear weapons and I bet Iran is
high on their target list. Why you and Isreal have more right
than Iran to do this?

Janos
 
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RE: Sky News: Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

Wed Feb 13, 2002 4:08 am

"The US has thousands of nuclear warheads that could be used against anyone on the Earth in short notice. Futhermore, Israel has her own inventory of nuclear weapons and I bet Iran is high on their target list. Why you and Isreal have more right than Iran to do this?"

Simple.

Unlike Iran, the United States and Israel are stable nations. The United States is not likely to ever fire one of our nuclear weapons, let alone fire any of them completely unprovoked. Our nuclear weapons are also highly unlikely to fall into terrorist hands, which cannot be said about Iran.

Here's the caveat.

Iran has to do what's in its best interest, just as we do here in the U.S. Iran is producing nuclear weapons for the express intent of aiming them at our country and allies, or giving/selling them to those who will. It is only prudent, and in fact would be stupid of us not, to stop them if we have the ability. And we do. That is in OUR best interest.

I do not wish to hijack this thread any further. After all, at least 118 innocent Iranians - who probably had nothing at all to do with the Tyrranical leadership there - died today. May they rest in peace.
 
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RE: ChrisKSDF

Wed Feb 13, 2002 4:42 am

"Israel is a stable nation..."

LET ME LAUGH!!!! I don't wanna put politics on this forum, but too much is too much... Have you ever read or watch a newspapers or evening news?

And tell me how many times they spoke about Israël and Palestinian people? Do not tell me that you call such situation stable???? Or maybe we didn't use the same dictionnary...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Sky News: Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

Wed Feb 13, 2002 5:00 am

I must agree that calling a theocracy which is engaged in a colonial war of expansion such as Israel "stable" is a bizarre act of denial at best.
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RE: ChrisKSDF

Wed Feb 13, 2002 5:02 am

Let me clarify.

Israel is a stable nation in that it won't start firing nuclear weapons at countries it "doesn't like" for no apparent reason. It has also demonstrated that it will not give/sell such weapons to international terrorist organizations.

Lastly, even if they wanted to do all of the above, they never would - because they would lose every bit of international support they have, including that from the United States and Britain.
 
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RE: Sky News: Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

Wed Feb 13, 2002 5:04 am

To get back to the original topic, and beyond the distasteful politics, a tragic crash has occurred. May the passengers and crew rest in peace.

Daniel
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RE: Sky News: Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

Wed Feb 13, 2002 6:02 am

>>
``points'' I would like to ask one question about you most
hypocritical one:
<<

Oops, I did not mean to be personal! My sentence
should have ended ``...question about YOUR most
.....''. Sorry!

Anyway, ChrisKSDF, I do not agree with you about Iran,
but this is not the right forum and probably time to discuss
that, so I quit.

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RE: Sky News: Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

Wed Feb 13, 2002 7:59 am

nor is it the right thread to say that people hate israel, what is wrong with you people-not a day can go past without you blmaing israel and america for your self inflicted troubles.

learn from history, learn from mistakes and get back to reality, this is a thread about a plane crash.
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RE: Sky News: Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

Wed Feb 13, 2002 8:08 am

If there's one thing that spoils this forum, it's politics.

I sure do hope that the forum administrators delete as much of the politics as possible and leave this as a purely aviation related thread.

Very sad to see yet another crash, and my thoughts and prayers are with the victims of the crash

 Sad
 
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RE: Sky News: Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

Wed Feb 13, 2002 12:02 pm

whats with all this anti-Israel crap??

Israel is by far the most stable nation in the middle east and even central asia. It has never engaged in civil war, executive power has never been ceased by the military or force, and the government has never disobeyed the wishes of the people in a fair election.

israel's economy is among the strongest in the world and the country produces legions of high tech startups whose innovations like ICQ and many others go used by hundres of millions of people daily.

Israel's military is first-rate and its air force is the strongest in the world. The country developed a successful nuclear program as a detterrent and has led successful daring military operation after operation.

yes israel is in conflict with some of its terrorist neighbors but because they themselves are not stable does not mean the jewish state is in any kind of unstability.

israel's society and economy outperform most of the world's other nations include many on this forum. interesting for a country that only 52 years ago was sand and a few ancient temples.

israel can only look back at her accomplishments and be proud. I know many more nations in s america, africa, and asia who when faces with odds 1/10 as threatenting as the jewish state have collapsed into chaos and bloodshed.

sone of you people are insane.
 
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Iran Air

Wed Feb 13, 2002 12:05 pm

i also whish to express my sorrow for those 150 lost souls and hope that perhaps something as tragic as this will convey to the iranian leaders how important international cooperation rather than international isolation is for this tragic country to survive and one day prosper.

Israeli rescuers have saved hundres of people from earthquakes in turkey and india, destroyed buildings in kenya, and tanzania, and mudslides in honduras. maybe one day they will help the victims in iran. one day.

tnnh
 
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RE:

Wed Feb 13, 2002 6:39 pm

ChrisKSDF, Go Canada:
I don't blame you for your naive thoughts... It's a one sided trial.

Boeing in PDX: Try to be NEUTRAL (that's why l love switzerland). Anyways, i've suggested the removal of your pathetic post. Plz read the title of the post: it has nothing to do with your hatered to anyone.
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RE: Sky News: Iranian Passenger Jet Crash

Mon Feb 18, 2002 4:31 am

i am naive? i have a history degree..how can i be naive when i have studided the middle east?

surely my friend you are naive, iran isnt an angel..i suppose you will be sayign the crash was all israel's fault next.
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