Nordic Aviation 2017

thijs1984 · Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:09 am

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Regarding KLM's new route to Vaxjo, it is perhaps worth noting that Estonian Air flew Vaxjo-Amsterdam in 2014. I've got a feeling (but not 100% certain) that Estonian's routes was operated as a KLM codeshare.

Amsterdam is not a huge metropolis and KLM has traditionally had a much higher proportion of connecting passengers compared to the likes to British Airways / Air France who have a greater propotion of (more profitable) passengers that begin / end their journeys in London or Paris. Competing head-on against the likes of Lufthansa would nevere have been sustainable long term so to become a major carrier KLM have had to specialilse in being the main European hub based airline at plenty of minor airpots all over Europe (particularly the UK and Scandinavia) as well as other continents

Transfer passengers account for abt 38% of the passengers traveling trough Amsterdam airport. The cities in de Randstad area (western part of the Netherlands) sum up as a big metropolis in terms of economy and overall turnover. In the direct Amsterdam and suburban area live about 2 million people. and the south-wing of the Randstad (Rotterdam-the Hague area) even has more then 3 million inhabitants.
So there is also plenty of O/D traffic to be expected on the route. think this route will be a success. and a great addition for a airport like Vaxjo

DLBOIFIN · Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:43 pm

Since KLM is now so big in the Nordic region, I wonder if they'll ever expand their operations into Finnish secondary airports? TKU, TMP OUL? At the moment Finland is the only country in the Nordics where KL operates only to the capital city. Would there be enough demand for AMS and beyond from the regional airports? Any thoughts?

prebennorholm · Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:05 am

Ferryflight wrote:
fessor wrote:
CPH will lover the Feess for using the airport with an avarage 10% from April 2018 and at the same time the will make the charge for high frequent regional feeder flights 35 % cheaper

https://ekstrabladet.dk/ferie/koebenhav ... ne/6951564

https://www.cph.dk/en/about-cph/press/n ... -airlines/

Seems like the whole truth is not presented in the press release or some vital information is hidden as the destinations relevant for the 35% reduction is only the 11 airports specified in the press release.

* The new incentive scheme of 35% will benefit airlines that provide feeder traffic between CPH and regional airports more than three times a day on the same route. At present, this covers the following destinations: Billund, Bornholm, Midtjylland, Sønderborg, Aalborg and Aarhus, as well as Bergen, Gothenburg, Stavanger, Vilnius and Gdansk.

To my knowledge, there is a whole range of destinations out of CPH with more than 3 daily departures.
My immediate thoughts where their lack of intercontinental connections.
However both GOT and BGO sees scheduled IC services.

So why only these 11 and why no insight in the qualification details?

Those 11 airports are all regional feeder airports to CPH.

CPH has over the last few years lost a lot of transit traffic from many of those 11 airports to AMS as KLM Cityhopper has taken a lot of that traffic using AMS as their hub instead of CPH. While OSL, ARN and HEL have increased traffic dramatically year by year, then CPH has struggled to keep business flat.

This is an attempt to reverse that trend, or at least stop it. Wonder if it is too little too late. KL, and to a minor extent LH, AF and BA, have already taken over European and intercontinental traffic from the western half of Denmark and to a minor extent western Norway.

People in Jutland and western Norway have over the last decade or so discovered that AMS is a cheaper and more convenient hub than CPH. It will be an uphill struggle to reverse that.

Ferryflight · Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:25 am

prebennorholm wrote:
Ferryflight wrote:
fessor wrote:
CPH will lover the Feess for using the airport with an avarage 10% from April 2018 and at the same time the will make the charge for high frequent regional feeder flights 35 % cheaper

https://ekstrabladet.dk/ferie/koebenhav ... ne/6951564

https://www.cph.dk/en/about-cph/press/n ... -airlines/

Seems like the whole truth is not presented in the press release or some vital information is hidden as the destinations relevant for the 35% reduction is only the 11 airports specified in the press release.

* The new incentive scheme of 35% will benefit airlines that provide feeder traffic between CPH and regional airports more than three times a day on the same route. At present, this covers the following destinations: Billund, Bornholm, Midtjylland, Sønderborg, Aalborg and Aarhus, as well as Bergen, Gothenburg, Stavanger, Vilnius and Gdansk.

To my knowledge, there is a whole range of destinations out of CPH with more than 3 daily departures.
My immediate thoughts where their lack of intercontinental connections.
However both GOT and BGO sees scheduled IC services.

So why only these 11 and why no insight in the qualification details?

Those 11 airports are all regional feeder airports to CPH.

CPH has over the last few years lost a lot of transit traffic from many of those 11 airports to AMS as KLM Cityhopper has taken a lot of that traffic using AMS as their hub instead of CPH. While OSL, ARN and HEL have increased traffic dramatically year by year, then CPH has struggled to keep business flat.

This is an attempt to reverse that trend, or at least stop it. Wonder if it is too little too late. KL, and to a minor extent LH, AF and BA, have already taken over European and intercontinental traffic from the western half of Denmark and to a minor extent western Norway.

People in Jutland and western Norway have over the last decade or so discovered that AMS is a cheaper and more convenient hub than CPH. It will be an uphill struggle to reverse that.

But it does not make sense with only theese 11 airport. There are many other routes served more than 3 daily that are not capital airports. EU does not allow support on designated routes. It must be based on some criterias that have not yet been presented to the public.

Kikko19 · Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:41 am

One hour flight radius? Can't read any reason as well

Kikko19 · Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:56 am

bt to add tll-lgw from 27 mar, twice weekly

Nami · Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:05 pm

Citing capacity problems EW cancels planned TXL-HEL route launch which was scheduled to open next month (cancellations of CPH, GOT, ARN were reported earlier).

Kikko19 · Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:01 pm

DY withdraws from BOS to CPH/OSL the battle with SK / low yields lost on this routes? the 789 will go to BOS LGW/PAR

Kikko19 · Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:14 pm

Nami wrote:
Citing capacity problems EW cancels planned TXL-HEL route launch which was scheduled to open next month (cancellations of CPH, GOT, ARN were reported earlier).

because they didn't get NIKI or overcapacity on these routes? might be AY will have to intervene somehow from HEL

Nami · Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:45 pm

Kikko19 wrote:
Nami wrote:
Citing capacity problems EW cancels planned TXL-HEL route launch which was scheduled to open next month (cancellations of CPH, GOT, ARN were reported earlier).

because they didn't get NIKI or overcapacity on these routes? might be AY will have to intervene somehow from HEL

Yes, the NIKI deal falling through was mentioned. The spokesperson from EW said that the airline is still interested in markets in the area and flights may possibly be started from the start or during the summer season next year.

Oykie · Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:52 pm

Sas and Avinor has an agreement that will make OSL a major hub for SAS, and will help Avinor increase traffic by 4% annually. It is reported by Aftenposten that they will fly to L.A, Chicago, Houston, Minneapolis, Toronto and Maybe China and South-Korea.

I believe the Swedish aviation tax has something to do with this decision as well.

News in Norwegian: https://e24.no/naeringsliv/sas/sas-inng ... r/24214511

QuawerAir · Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:12 pm

Oykie wrote:
Sas and Avinor has an agreement that will make OSL a major hub for SAS, and will help Avinor increase traffic by 4% annually. It is reported by Aftenposten that they will fly to L.A, Chicago, Houston, Minneapolis, Toronto and Maybe China and South-Korea.

I believe the Swedish aviation tax has something to do with this decision as well.

News in Norwegian: https://e24.no/naeringsliv/sas/sas-inng ... r/24214511

Is there enough traffic to support that plan or is it mostly connecting traffic?

I wonder if SAS will reduce flights from Sweden. Let's see how will the aviation tax affect the air traffic to and from Sweden, if not at all.

Someone83 · Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:26 pm

Oykie wrote:
It is reported by Aftenposten that they will fly to L.A, Chicago, Houston, Minneapolis, Toronto and Maybe China and South-Korea.

No, it is not. But that was just mentioned as possible destinastions

Oykie · Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:34 pm

Someone83 wrote:
Oykie wrote:
It is reported by Aftenposten that they will fly to L.A, Chicago, Houston, Minneapolis, Toronto and Maybe China and South-Korea.

No, it is not. But that was just mentioned as possible destinastions

From the article it says: In the agreement with SAS, no routes are mentioned, but from what Aftenposten have learned, there may be routes to Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, Minneapolis and Toronto, Canada. In addition, routes to China and South Korea are mentioned in the agreement, and it is a major commitment.

https://www.aftenposten.no/okonomi/i/zL ... e-markedet

I interpret that as, Aftenposten reports that they believe these are the possible routes.

Oykie · Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:39 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
Oykie wrote:
Sas and Avinor has an agreement that will make OSL a major hub for SAS, and will help Avinor increase traffic by 4% annually. It is reported by Aftenposten that they will fly to L.A, Chicago, Houston, Minneapolis, Toronto and Maybe China and South-Korea.

I believe the Swedish aviation tax has something to do with this decision as well.

News in Norwegian: https://e24.no/naeringsliv/sas/sas-inng ... r/24214511

Is there enough traffic to support that plan or is it mostly connecting traffic?

I wonder if SAS will reduce flights from Sweden. Let's see how will the aviation tax affect the air traffic to and from Sweden, if not at all.

A part of the plan is better transfer for passenger connecting from international flights to domestic. This agreement includes more airports in Norway as well. I am curious if SAS will reduce flights from Sweden or not. From how I understand the agreement, it will give OSL more traffic, already next year. But their new A350 will not arrive for some time.

JetBuddy · Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:56 pm

This Joint Vision plan is a huge deal, and I wonder if it deserves it's own thread. Finally a solid plan to increase intercontinental traffic at OSL.

Some info on peterfox.no:

http://peterfox.no/airlines/sas-inngar- ... on-avinor/

JetBuddy · Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:52 pm

Rickard Gustafson expects SAS to become part of a larger consolidation of airlines in the future.

http://peterfox.no/airlines/sas-sjef-ko ... -bransjen/

Oykie · Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:13 am

JetBuddy wrote:
This Joint Vision plan is a huge deal, and I wonder if it deserves it's own thread. Finally a solid plan to increase intercontinental traffic at OSL.

Some info on peterfox.no:

http://peterfox.no/airlines/sas-inngar- ... on-avinor/

Thank you for sharing some more info on this Joint Vision plan. It is a huge deal, and I was wondering if it deserved its own thread, but started, by posting it here.

Oykie · Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:15 am

JetBuddy wrote:
Rickard Gustafson expects SAS to become part of a larger consolidation of airlines in the future.

http://peterfox.no/airlines/sas-sjef-ko ... -bransjen/

The question is, who will buy them? Lufthansa is of course a hot candidate and have been rumored to be close many times. However they have never gone through with any deal.

QuawerAir · Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:07 am

It's great to see Finnair expanding so significantly and the huge growth seems to continue:

Finnair remains 'convinced that alliances are still important'

Finnair CCO Juha Jarvinen said the carrier remains "convinced that alliances are still important" and aims to pursue closer cooperation with oneworld members beyond the North Atlantic market, where Finnair collaborates closely with American Airlines and British Airways. Mr Jarvinen reported Finnair also plans to pursue "more cooperation across Alliance borders".

Finnair sees potential for expansion in China but airport capacity constraints are an issue

... Jarvinen said although Japan is the carrier's largest market in Asia, Finnair sees the most opportunity for expansion in mainland China and aims to continue increasing its offering there. But it is still not possible because of the restrictions in Shanghai". He reported Finnair also considers Indonesia and Malaysia promising markets for future expansion.

Finnair sees potential for expansion in Germany, Austria and Switzerland

... for expansion in Germany, Austria and Switzerland. Mr Jarvinen noted Finnair plans to operate services to Stuttgart, Hannover and Cologne in summer 2018 and views Basel as an "interesting" destination for possible future expansion. He added that Innsbruck and Salzburg we currently fly only seasonally", are exciting alpine destinations, particularly for Finnair's customers from Asia. Mr Jarvinen also reported Finnair aims to secure "as many members of the airberlin frequent flyer ...

Centre for aviation
aerotelegraph.com (in German)

QuawerAir · Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:43 am

Also, Finnair is not interested in A380 as the aircraft is "too big" and the freight capacity is "too low". Finnair will not order A350-1000s at the moment. The short-haul fleet will be renewed at some point.

aerotelegraph.com (in German)

QuawerAir · Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:47 am

Norwegian adds more capacity to HEL in S18

In summer 2018, Norwegian will add almost 300,000 seats (15% more than in S17) from Helsinki. Frequencies to Pristina, Athens, Chania and Varna will increase from 1x weekly to 2x weekly. Routes to Venice, Bourgas and Pula will be operated 3x weekly and Dubrovnik 4x weekly.

But unfortunately, no long-haul routes from Helsinki announced yet.

Lentoposti.fi (in Finnish)

QuawerAir · Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:48 am

There were some sentences and words missing:

QuawerAir wrote:
Finnair sees potential for expansion in China but airport capacity constraints are an issue

Järvinen said although Japan is the carrier's largest market in Asia, Finnair sees the most opportunity for expansion in mainland China and aims to continue increasing its offering there. Mr Järvinen noted the main issue preventing this is China's capacity constrained airports, adding: "For example, we could fly to Shanghai twice a day. The demand is there. But it is still not possible because of the restrictions in Shanghai"...

Finnair sees potential for expansion in Germany, Austria and Switzerland

... Mr Järvinen also reported Finnair aims to secure "as many members of the airberlin frequent flyer program Topbonus as possible" to support its expansion plans in Germany.

Someone83 · Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:42 pm

SAS Ireland's first commercial flight was today. EI-SIB is underway as SK503 CPH-LHR

florens · Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:22 pm

airbaltic is adding TLL-LGW:

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-20171220

airBaltic this week announced new route launch from Tallinn, which sees the airline offering Tallinn – London Gatwick nonstop flight. Commencing on 27MAR18, Boeing 737 will operate this route twice a week.

BT649 TLL1600 – 1700LGW 73C 2
BT649 TLL1655 – 1755LGW 73C 6

BT650 LGW1745 – 2235TLL 73C 2
BT650 LGW1840 – 2330TLL 73C 6

YIMBY · Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:02 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
Also, Finnair is not interested in A380 as the aircraft is "too big" and the freight capacity is "too low". Finnair will not order A350-1000s at the moment. The short-haul fleet will be renewed at some point.

aerotelegraph.com (in German)

The original article sounds very optimistic, setting goals of almost doubling the passengers. It also hints for a new order of widebodies, supposedly 350's that they seem to like so much. Is it realistic?

For the short-haul fleet they want to give all options open, at least publicly.

Nami · Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:09 pm

DLBOIFIN wrote:
Since KLM is now so big in the Nordic region, I wonder if they'll ever expand their operations into Finnish secondary airports? TKU, TMP OUL? At the moment Finland is the only country in the Nordics where KL operates only to the capital city. Would there be enough demand for AMS and beyond from the regional airports? Any thoughts?

I think the reason is the same as why low-cost carriers have stayed away from HEL. The destinations you mentioned are significantly farther away from AMS than most of the smaller destinations they serve in Scandinavia. Just some time ago LH decided against flying to TKU citing the close proximity to HEL.

YIMBY · Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:14 pm

JetBuddy wrote:
Rickard Gustafson expects SAS to become part of a larger consolidation of airlines in the future.

http://peterfox.no/airlines/sas-sjef-ko ... -bransjen/

Is this wishful thinking or is there any more going in the background to justify the expectation right now? So far nothing has happened during a decade or so of speculations. At least Lufthansa is busy with other acquisitions now. (And IMO Lufthansa should not be allowed to buy it although I am quite sure it will be allowed, if it just makes come concessions. Nevertheless, if there are true concessions and true options for competition, I may be sufficiently satisfied.)

B747forever · Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:20 pm

Someone83 wrote:
SAS Ireland's first commercial flight was today. EI-SIB is underway as SK503 CPH-LHR

Is SAS Ireland a completely separate airline with its own AOC?

Someone83 · Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:56 pm

B747forever wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
SAS Ireland's first commercial flight was today. EI-SIB is underway as SK503 CPH-LHR

Is SAS Ireland a completely separate airline with its own AOC?

Yes, separate AOC

QuawerAir · Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:00 pm

TUI Airways UK adds various Nordic routes in S18

TUI Airways UK in summer 2018 season is adding following various routes from Finland, Norway and Sweden, on board Boeing 767 aircraft. Based on schedule listing from the OAG, planned new sectors in S18 as follow.

Gothenburg – Chania eff 26APR18 2 weekly 767
Gothenburg – Larnaca eff 02APR18 1 weekly 767 (2 weekly from 22APR18)
Gothenburg – Palma Mallorca eff 21APR18 1 weekly 767 (2 weekly from 06MAY18, 3 weekly from 22MAY18)
Gothenburg – Rhodes eff 20APR18 2 weekly 767
Helsinki – Chania eff 26APR18 1 weekly 767 (Except 15JUN18 – 15AUG18)
Helsinki – Rhodes eff 20APR18 1 weekly 767 (Except 09JUN18 – 23AUG18)
Oslo – Chania 21JUN18 – 09AUG18 1 weekly 767
Oslo – Rhodes 15JUN18 – 17AUG18 1 weekly 767
Stockholm Arlanda – Alghero 08MAY18 – 16OCT18 1 weekly 767
Stockholm Arlanda – Chania eff 15APR18 1 weekly 767
Stockholm Arlanda – Kos 11MAY18 – 19OCT18 1 weekly 767
Stockholm Arlanda – Larnaca eff 30MAR18 1 weekly 767 (2 weekly from 23APR18)
Stockholm Arlanda – Mahon 17MAY18 – 11OCT18 1 weekly 767
Stockholm Arlanda – Palma Mallorca eff 14APR18 1 weekly 767 (2 weekly 20MAY18 – 14OCT18)
Stockholm Arlanda – Rhodes 26APR18 – 18OCT18 1 weekly 767

Routesonline.com

Kikko19 · Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:07 pm

YIMBY wrote:
JetBuddy wrote:
Rickard Gustafson expects SAS to become part of a larger consolidation of airlines in the future.

http://peterfox.no/airlines/sas-sjef-ko ... -bransjen/

Is this wishful thinking or is there any more going in the background to justify the expectation right now? So far nothing has happened during a decade or so of speculations. At least Lufthansa is busy with other acquisitions now. (And IMO Lufthansa should not be allowed to buy it although I am quite sure it will be allowed, if it just makes come concessions. Nevertheless, if there are true concessions and true options for competition, I may be sufficiently satisfied.)

Agreed, I would see ay+sk maybe with iag? Of course it is pretty complicated with all the agreements and alliances issues. I love LH, but in the name of the competition it's not a good idea to be absorbed by them. Another option is to go with Chinese like TP.

X2K · Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:14 pm

Qatar Airways will deploy the A350-900 on 1 of the 2 daily flights between Doha and Stockholm from 01 JUN 18. The other flight will remain to be operated by B787-8.

thijs1984 · Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:27 am

DLBOIFIN wrote:
Since KLM is now so big in the Nordic region, I wonder if they'll ever expand their operations into Finnish secondary airports? TKU, TMP OUL? At the moment Finland is the only country in the Nordics where KL operates only to the capital city. Would there be enough demand for AMS and beyond from the regional airports? Any thoughts?

This would depend on the specific travel requirements and population density in the catchment area around the regional airports.

Bostrom · Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:45 am

X2K wrote:
Qatar Airways will deploy the A350-900 on 1 of the 2 daily flights between Doha and Stockholm from 01 JUN 18. The other flight will remain to be operated by B787-8.

More A350s at ARN, great! Any idea which flight?

B747forever · Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:29 pm

Someone83 wrote:
B747forever wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
SAS Ireland's first commercial flight was today. EI-SIB is underway as SK503 CPH-LHR

Is SAS Ireland a completely separate airline with its own AOC?

Yes, separate AOC

But it is still using the same IATA/ICAO codes (SK/SAS)?

Someone83 · Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:13 pm

B747forever wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
B747forever wrote:

Is SAS Ireland a completely separate airline with its own AOC?

Yes, separate AOC

But it is still using the same IATA/ICAO codes (SK/SAS)?

At least when flying for SAS. Their training flight is operated under the SZS code

X2K · Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:14 pm

QR168 and QR170 shows A359. QR172 still displays B788.

Bostrom wrote:
X2K wrote:
Qatar Airways will deploy the A350-900 on 1 of the 2 daily flights between Doha and Stockholm from 01 JUN 18. The other flight will remain to be operated by B787-8.

More A350s at ARN, great! Any idea which flight?

Someone83 · Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:19 pm

X2K wrote:
QR168 and QR170 shows A359. QR172 still displays B788.

Bostrom wrote:
X2K wrote:
Qatar Airways will deploy the A350-900 on 1 of the 2 daily flights between Doha and Stockholm from 01 JUN 18. The other flight will remain to be operated by B787-8.

More A350s at ARN, great! Any idea which flight?

That means 10x weekly A350? Or is it only in the Winter they are flying 17x weekly to ARN?

Ferryflight · Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:38 pm

Oykie wrote:
JetBuddy wrote:
This Joint Vision plan is a huge deal, and I wonder if it deserves it's own thread. Finally a solid plan to increase intercontinental traffic at OSL.

Some info on peterfox.no:

http://peterfox.no/airlines/sas-inngar- ... on-avinor/

Thank you for sharing some more info on this Joint Vision plan. It is a huge deal, and I was wondering if it deserved its own thread, but started, by posting it here.

Reminds me of SAS change of strategy to also focus on ARN with LAX and HKG.

The effect is visible on CPH's traffic numbers, with a sharp decline in traffic to/from ARN. Strangely as the routes also represent connectivity out of CPH. Although you can only see the isolated effect on ARN-CPH, these passengers where probably mostly transferring in CPH. The loss of passengers for CPH is therefore probably around double the loss of passengers presented on ARN-CPH.

If Norway also can sort out the customs issues, I believe the negative impact on CPH will be bigger than after SAS focus on ARN. If OSL is also able to attract more feed from Bergen, Stavanger and Trondheim, the decline of transfer on CPH will be ugly.

It's a good reason to reflect over this news as it will probably also change the one hub policy of SAS.

I can't help it though for thinking that GOT is still in the shadow of SAS despite having one of the largest industrial areas in Scandinavia.

Thunderboltdrgn · Fri Dec 22, 2017 4:34 pm

According to Swedavia, Arlanda airport reached 26 million passengers during the year this week.

https://www.swedavia.se/arlanda/nyheter ... resenarer/

flightfox · Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:22 pm

Thunderboltdrgn wrote:
According to Swedavia, Arlanda airport reached 26 million passengers during the year this week.

https://www.swedavia.se/arlanda/nyheter ... resenarer/

Incredible - the next day after the SAS announcement, Avinor published a retraction note, saying the agreement is open to everyone, not only SAS.

Text in Norwegian :-(

http://peterfox.no/airlines/legger-rette-flyselskaper/

Someone83 · Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:52 am

flightfox wrote:
Thunderboltdrgn wrote:
According to Swedavia, Arlanda airport reached 26 million passengers during the year this week.

https://www.swedavia.se/arlanda/nyheter ... resenarer/

Incredible - the next day after the SAS announcement, Avinor published a retraction note, saying the agreement is open to everyone, not only SAS.

Text in Norwegian
Code: Select all
http://peterfox.no/airlines/legger-rette-flyselskaper/

It wasn't announced as an exclusive agreement, although media and bloggers made it sound like it, but not surprised neither actually understood the agreement

Competition law prohibits this

Someone83 · Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:53 am

China Cargo Airlines will stop their freighter service from CPH February 2018

QuawerAir · Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:46 am

Seems like Finnair will fly to Alanya (Gazipasa) for whole year-round next year.

airturkhaber.com (in Turkish)

QuawerAir · Sun Dec 24, 2017 4:42 pm

Beijing Capital Airlines has removed schedule listing for Beijing – Copenhagen route, previously scheduled from 27MAR18.
Beijing – Helsinki launch revised to 22JUN18

Twitter

JetBuddy · Sun Dec 24, 2017 9:14 pm

Apparently, Norwegian has received rights to fly over Russia on some departures out of ARN and CPH. Good for them!

And Merry Christmas everyone!

HELyes · Mon Dec 25, 2017 6:31 am

[twoid][/twoid]

JetBuddy wrote:
Apparently, Norwegian has received rights to fly over Russia on some departures out of ARN and CPH. Good for them!

And Merry Christmas everyone!

Merry Christmas!

Good news for Norwegian, perhaps we'll see their 787 in HEL in the future. Was thinking Thailand especially, Finnair needs some competition there.

On 23 Dec Lufthansa started seasonal once weekly service from FRA to Kuusamo (KAO) in Northern Finland, not Lapland but the "Reindeer zone" still. This is the first scheduled international service for little Kuusamo.

In Finnish Lapland Lufthansa serves Ivalo (FRA-IVL) and Kittilä (MUC-KTT) this winter.

HELyes · Mon Dec 25, 2017 8:18 am

Santa Claus himself boarded Lufthansa’s first flight from KAO:

http://www.aviation24.be/airlines/lufth ... lufthansa/

QuawerAir · Mon Dec 25, 2017 11:11 am

HELyes wrote:
JetBuddy wrote:
Apparently, Norwegian has received rights to fly over Russia on some departures out of ARN and CPH. Good for them!

And Merry Christmas everyone!

Merry Christmas!

Good news for Norwegian, perhaps we'll see their 787 in HEL in the future. Was thinking Thailand especially, Finnair needs some competition there.

Little competition would be good indeed. As far as I know Thai Airways planned BKK-HEL about 10 years ago, but I don't know is HEL in plans anymore. HEL must be the largest hub of Norwegian without any long haul flights operated by DY. Instead of HEL, DY plans to launch long haul routes from small airports (in terms of seats offered by DY/D8) such as MXP, that has only 2 routes or AMS, that has only 4 routes. Norwegian's seat capacity is also much less at those airports than at HEL. That's why I find the lack of DY long haul flights from HEL slightly strange but I think Norwegian keeps eye mostly on O/D markets.

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