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Someone83 wrote:B747forever wrote:Someone83 wrote:Ethiopian is having their first flight to/from OSL, and their ADD-ARN flight now is extended to OSL. ET-ATJ is currently between ARN and OSL, and will spend most of the day at OSL, before returning this afternoon
Real shame that ET won't have local rights on ARN-OSL-ARN. Is that something that can change in the future?
They do have, so you can buy ticket with them now
Boeing 737 -683 28305 290 SE-DOR SAS ferried 28mar17 OSL-DGX, for part-out ex G-CDRB
JetBuddy wrote:FlyViking operated their first commercial flights today.
(In Norwegian:)
http://www.itromso.no/nyheter/2017/03/2 ... 507970.ece
Someone83 wrote:JetBuddy wrote:FlyViking operated their first commercial flights today.
(In Norwegian:)
http://www.itromso.no/nyheter/2017/03/2 ... 507970.ece
Not the best start, seems to be having issues with their operations and today all flights seems to be cancelled
TUGMASTER wrote:Someone mention to me recently that BRA were going to lease a F50 for domestic flying in Sweden.... anybody have any more info....?
Airbus A320 -251N 7499 SE-DOY SAS delivery 31mar17 XFW-ARN ex D-AVVT
FredrikHAD wrote:TUGMASTER wrote:Someone mention to me recently that BRA were going to lease a F50 for domestic flying in Sweden.... anybody have any more info....?
No info really, but I'd be surprised if they are looking actively for an F50. They have quite a few ATR-72's (12 I believe) and 7 pcs of SAAB 2000. Unless any of those types can be leased at a decent price point, I fail to see why they wouldn't choose any of those two models.
/Fredrik
Airbus A321 -231 7611 OH-LZO Finnair delivery 06apr17 XFW-HEL
kameleonten wrote:I have been wondering about something which hardly warrants its own thread: Watching FR24, formerly KLM always flew the 737-800 and even -900 to Stockholm. Lately many flights (on a daily basis) have been -700 or even ERJ-190. At the same time we all know how strong the Nordic market is for KLM. What is the reason for this downgrade? Load factor driven down by Norwegian's success on Amsterdam or less transfer traffic due to more longhaul nonstop options from Stockholm/routing via other hubs (primarily DOH, DXB, IST)? Or is KLM just trying to increase yields despite unchanged demand?
FIX wrote:Airports in the North are contributing to the growth with both domestic and international traffic increasing with airports such as RVN, KTT, IVL, KAO, KEM and ENF. Total passenger growth for these airports for the year to date are +18,1%, +24,4%, +18,9%, +13,9% ,+34,6% and +58,4% respectively.
volatus wrote:Now have all of the five Nordic major airports published the numbers of passengers for March 2017
Passengers MARCH 2017
CPH 2.279.244 -0,2%
OSL 2.228.986 +9,0%
ARN 2.100.362. +6.0%
HEL 1.495.668. +5,3%
KEF 583.159. +44,8%
B747forever wrote:Has CPH lost some routes or carrier that explains the decline? All other airports continue to sustain growth, with KEF the obvious leader.
prebennorholm wrote:B747forever wrote:Has CPH lost some routes or carrier that explains the decline? All other airports continue to sustain growth, with KEF the obvious leader.
The reason for CPH not following the general trend is mainly the train station in the basement, which used to be a very convenient facility, but overnight was made into also a border control point due to the immigrant crisis. There is no space for that, and consequently it became a most terrible mess which people avoid when possible. CPH used to have a large catchment area in south-western Sweden. It has been reduced.
The alternative to train - taking own car over the bridge - has also become more cumbersome, especially at rush hours.
GOT is benefitting. New routes have been added, and look how KLM has added capacity on GOT-AMS. That's not only because south-western Swedes love to visit the Netherlands. When at AMS they can so easily connect to all over. Better than they can ever dream of from CPH.
As the border control seems to become permanent, while at the same time there are no plans to produce ordinary infrastructure facilities for border control, then the chaos at CPH will continue. People will adapt to the chaos by avoiding CPH when practical. And it is very practical for millions of mainly Swedish passengers.
CPH explains the decline with Easter holidays traffic being in March last year, and April this year. But that's a moot point when most other airports had 5+% progress.
Historically CPH used to be the main gateway for all Danes. That has also changed as mainly KLM has added capacity on routes like BLL-AMS and AAL-AMS. Making AMS a more convenient transit hub for many western Danes than CPH. That has nothing with border control chaos to do, but the effect on CPH is the same.
CPH is fast on the way to become the 2nd and soon later 3rd largest airport in Scandinavia.
Boeing 737 -683 28294 137 LN-RPB SAS ferried 21apr17 OSL-DGX, for part-out & scrap ex N1787B
kameleonten wrote:SAS has announced the launch of a weekly flight from Stockholm to Eilat starting Oct. 28, thus adding to the growing lineup of airlines serving the new airport of Eilat set to open later this year.
JetBuddy wrote:SAS has purchased the single leased ex-LAN Chile A340-300 (LN-RKP) from Gain Leasing Two LLC. This is the same aircraft that lost cabin pressure and had to divert to Goose Bay earlier this month. The question remains if they will upgrade the interior of this aircraft, since it's the only aircraft in their long haul fleet which still has the old LAN interior. While it was a leased aircraft, it made sense to keep the interior as it was, but now that they own it - upgrading it seems the logical thing to do. I'm guessing the purchase price was dirt cheap since this is a 20 year old A340, they're not very sought after in the marketplace.
Link in Danish:
http://insideflyer.dk/sas-har-lidt-over ... -a340-300/
Someone83 wrote:Don't think it will be upgraded, but i might be wrong.
AFAIK it is still intended to be mainly used as a back-up aircraft, and also after some time as a parts, to keep the rest of the A340 fleet flying
Finland and China renewed air transport arrangements
Finland and China have agreed on new aerial routes and signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) on air transport. The Finnish-Chinese air transport negotiations were held on 20-21 April in Helsinki.
In the negotiations, it was agreed that airlines would be able to start traffic between Finland and Nanjing. It was also agreed that Finland could start air traffic to Beijing from Rovaniemi. In the negotiations, the restrictions on the number of companies operating were abolished, which means that in the future, countries are free to designate several airlines without quantitative restrictions.
The next air transport negotiations between the countries will be held in China by 2019 at the latest.
FIX wrote:Finland and China renewed air transport arrangements
Finland and China have agreed on new aerial routes and signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) on air transport. The Finnish-Chinese air transport negotiations were held on 20-21 April in Helsinki.
In the negotiations, it was agreed that airlines would be able to start traffic between Finland and Nanjing. It was also agreed that Finland could start air traffic to Beijing from Rovaniemi. In the negotiations, the restrictions on the number of companies operating were abolished, which means that in the future, countries are free to designate several airlines without quantitative restrictions.
The next air transport negotiations between the countries will be held in China by 2019 at the latest.
Source (Ministry of Transport and Communications):
https://www.lvm.fi/-/suomi-ja-kiina-uud ... yja-929648
It will be interesting to see whether an airline starts RVN - PEK in the future.
I wonder if a narrow-body aircraft would be able to make it. The distance is 3256nm so probably A321LR would be able to do it. The question is whether 737 MAX, A320neo or A321neo would be able to do it. It would be far more economical to fly straight to RVN as flying through HEL makes the trip 536nm (16,5%) longer.
FIX wrote:
It will be interesting to see whether an airline starts RVN - PEK in the future.
I wonder if a narrow-body aircraft would be able to make it. The distance is 3256nm so probably A321LR would be able to do it. The question is whether 737 MAX, A320neo or A321neo would be able to do it. It would be far more economical to fly straight to RVN as flying through HEL makes the trip 536nm (16,5%) longer.
YIMBY wrote:Any narrow body will be able to make it. There are sufficiently fuel stations in between. A fuel stop would not even ruin 24 h rotation unless you have to wait hours for it to open. Tourists would not care about a technical stop if they avoid a change. I do not know, however, whether the bilaterals allow that.
prebennorholm wrote:B747forever wrote:Has CPH lost some routes or carrier that explains the decline? All other airports continue to sustain growth, with KEF the obvious leader.
The reason for CPH not following the general trend is mainly the train station in the basement, which used to be a very convenient facility, but overnight was made into also a border control point due to the immigrant crisis. There is no space for that, and consequently it became a most terrible mess which people avoid when possible. CPH used to have a large catchment area in south-western Sweden. It has been reduced.
The alternative to train - taking own car over the bridge - has also become more cumbersome, especially at rush hours.
GOT is benefitting. New routes have been added, and look how KLM has added capacity on GOT-AMS. That's not only because south-western Swedes love to visit the Netherlands. When at AMS they can so easily connect to all over. Better than they can ever dream of from CPH.
As the border control seems to become permanent, while at the same time there are no plans to produce ordinary infrastructure facilities for border control, then the chaos at CPH will continue. People will adapt to the chaos by avoiding CPH when practical. And it is very practical for millions of mainly Swedish passengers.
CPH explains the decline with Easter holidays traffic being in March last year, and April this year. But that's a moot point when most other airports had 5+% progress.
Historically CPH used to be the main gateway for all Danes. That has also changed as mainly KLM has added capacity on routes like BLL-AMS and AAL-AMS. Making AMS a more convenient transit hub for many western Danes than CPH. That has nothing with border control chaos to do, but the effect on CPH is the same.
CPH is fast on the way to become the 2nd and soon later 3rd largest airport in Scandinavia.
kanye wrote:SAS is next winter launching once per week Helsinki - Malaga. Interesting.
https://www.avanza.se/placera/pressmedd ... alaga.html
yoplait wrote:So AY will start Nanjing at some point in the future obviously. Regarding the RVN news I find it possible that AY could use a spare A330 regularly used for summer destinations during the winter for a 1 per week flight possibly?
kanye wrote:SAS is next winter launching once per week Helsinki - Malaga. Interesting.
https://www.avanza.se/placera/pressmedd ... alaga.html
Kikko19 wrote:Maybe first flight froma new Spanish base?
Mortyman wrote:Norwegian Air Shuttle Boeing 737-800 EI-FVP with Santiago Ramón y Cajal on it's tail:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santiago_R ... 3n_y_Cajal
https://www.flickr.com/photos/andymarks ... otostream/