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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:14 am

LOT/Nordica is starting TLL-GOT and GOT-WAW with 6x weekly from August 8. Looking at the schedule, it seems like the aircraft is routed TLL-GOT-WAW, but on two seperate flight numbers

TLLGOT 123456- 07:00-07:25 LO8129 CR9
GOTTLL 12345-7 22:00-00:25 LO8130 CR9

GOTWAW 123456- LO492 08:00 - 09:40 CR9
WAWGOT 12345-7 LO491 19:35 - 21:20 CR9
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:00 am

Someone83 wrote:
B747forever wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
Ethiopian is having their first flight to/from OSL, and their ADD-ARN flight now is extended to OSL. ET-ATJ is currently between ARN and OSL, and will spend most of the day at OSL, before returning this afternoon


Real shame that ET won't have local rights on ARN-OSL-ARN. Is that something that can change in the future?


They do have, so you can buy ticket with them now


Yeah, I can see it now. Great news!
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:18 am

BT restarted serving TMP yesterday, as did FR on Sunday. Let's keep fingers crossed that both will have steady loads.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:18 am

Another 737-600 retired from SAS' fleet. This should mean 20 -600s left in their fleet

Boeing 737 -683 28305 290 SE-DOR SAS ferried 28mar17 OSL-DGX, for part-out ex G-CDRB
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:04 am

JetBuddy wrote:
FlyViking operated their first commercial flights today.

(In Norwegian:)
http://www.itromso.no/nyheter/2017/03/2 ... 507970.ece


Not the best start, seems to be having issues with their operations and today all flights seems to be cancelled
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:57 pm

Someone mention to me recently that BRA were going to lease a F50 for domestic flying in Sweden.... anybody have any more info....?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:58 pm

Someone83 wrote:
JetBuddy wrote:
FlyViking operated their first commercial flights today.

(In Norwegian:)
http://www.itromso.no/nyheter/2017/03/2 ... 507970.ece


Not the best start, seems to be having issues with their operations and today all flights seems to be cancelled


Do you know the load factor on their initial flights? Hoping they'll succeed, but I doubt it.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:26 pm

DIdn't see anyone post this: http://www.aviationnews-online.com/airl ... lion-bond/ good news!
Airlines been on: AY, LX, SR, OS, SK, KF, EZY, FR, BA, LH, AF, TG, DC, FC, TK, KL, BT, CX, QR
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:27 pm

A "security breach" caused big delays at KEF today. "Unclean" passengers arriving from Greenland entered the terminal through the wrong gate where they entered the sterilized area of the terminal. This caused evacuation of the entire terminal during the busy afternoon traffic and rescreening of all passengers. Icelandair's entire bank of flights to North America were delayed for three hours. An expensive mistake to make.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:35 pm

TUGMASTER wrote:
Someone mention to me recently that BRA were going to lease a F50 for domestic flying in Sweden.... anybody have any more info....?


No info really, but I'd be surprised if they are looking actively for an F50. They have quite a few ATR-72's (12 I believe) and 7 pcs of SAAB 2000. Unless any of those types can be leased at a decent price point, I fail to see why they wouldn't choose any of those two models.

/Fredrik
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:07 am

SAS has extended the lease of the Privatair 737BBJ used on CPH-BOS from August to end of October. What happens beyond October is still not clear
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:55 am

SAS' 6th A320NEO delivered

Airbus A320 -251N 7499 SE-DOY SAS delivery 31mar17 XFW-ARN ex D-AVVT
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:18 pm

I have been wondering about something which hardly warrants its own thread: Watching FR24, formerly KLM always flew the 737-800 and even -900 to Stockholm. Lately many flights (on a daily basis) have been -700 or even ERJ-190. At the same time we all know how strong the Nordic market is for KLM. What is the reason for this downgrade? Load factor driven down by Norwegian's success on Amsterdam or less transfer traffic due to more longhaul nonstop options from Stockholm/routing via other hubs (primarily DOH, DXB, IST)? Or is KLM just trying to increase yields despite unchanged demand?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:09 am

The 8th A350, OH-LWH, for AY is arriving this morning from TLS.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:28 pm

FredrikHAD wrote:
TUGMASTER wrote:
Someone mention to me recently that BRA were going to lease a F50 for domestic flying in Sweden.... anybody have any more info....?


No info really, but I'd be surprised if they are looking actively for an F50. They have quite a few ATR-72's (12 I believe) and 7 pcs of SAAB 2000. Unless any of those types can be leased at a decent price point, I fail to see why they wouldn't choose any of those two models.

/Fredrik


I haven't heard that either. But Nextjet is wetleasing a F50 for use on the route Stockholm-Vilhelmina-Hemavan. Maybe that someone mixed up the airlines?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:31 pm

March numbers for Keflavík airport.
March 2017, 583,159 passengers a 44.8% increase over March2016.
2017 including March 1.563.902 passengers a 53.7% increase over 2016.
Connecting passengers in March 167.221 and for the year 2017 up to the end of march 440,881.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:20 am

Another A321 delivered to Finnair

Airbus A321 -231 7611 OH-LZO Finnair delivery 06apr17 XFW-HEL
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:51 pm

March 2017 for CPH
2.279.244 passengers -0,2%
March 2016 2.283.611 passengers

Jan-Mar 2017
6.243.782 passengers +2,3%
Jan-Mar 2016 6.106.197 passengers
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:00 am

SAS has bought LN-RKP (ex-LAN A340) and LN-RRY (737-600) from their lessors. Both are now registered with SAS Norge AS AS owners

http://www.luftfartstilsynet.no/incomin ... 3.2017.pdf
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:51 pm

kameleonten wrote:
I have been wondering about something which hardly warrants its own thread: Watching FR24, formerly KLM always flew the 737-800 and even -900 to Stockholm. Lately many flights (on a daily basis) have been -700 or even ERJ-190. At the same time we all know how strong the Nordic market is for KLM. What is the reason for this downgrade? Load factor driven down by Norwegian's success on Amsterdam or less transfer traffic due to more longhaul nonstop options from Stockholm/routing via other hubs (primarily DOH, DXB, IST)? Or is KLM just trying to increase yields despite unchanged demand?


There is no downgrade, KLM has upgraded with a frequency increase.

In 2016 over 780.000 pax were carried on the route ARN-AMS +6.2%.
The route has seen a lot of capacity added in recent months:

- KLM has moved from 5x to 6x daily: B738, B738, B737, B738, B739, B739 for S17
- Norwegian has moved from 6x to 8x weekly
- SAS has also added capacity.

KLM schedules its aircraft very flexibly based on demand, here is an overview of the weekly operations for the evening flight KL1118 ARN-AMS over the last seven days:
2017-04-13 ARN - AMS B739 (PH-BXT) 189 seats
2017-04-12 ARN - AMS B739 (PH-BXR) 189 seats
2017-04-11 ARN - AMS B739 (PH-BXS) 189 seats
2017-04-10 ARN - AMS B739 (PH-BXO) 189 seats
2017-04-09 ARN - AMS B738 (PH-BCB) 186 seats
2017-04-08 ARN - AMS B737 (PH-BGP) 142 seats
2017-04-07 ARN - AMS B738 (PH-BGB) 186 seats
2017-04-06 ARN - AMS B737 (PH-BGT) 142 seats

Sweden continues to be one of the leading European destinations for KLM, as GOT-AMS has also seen an increase from 5x to 6x daily.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:11 pm

New passenger data for Finnish airports:

HEL (MAR17)
Domestic: 297 001 +4,7%
International: 1 198 667 +5,5%
Total: 1 495 668 +5,3%

All airports in Finland (MAR17)
Domestic: 597 273 +5,0%
International: 1 283 637 +6,6%
Total: 1 880 910 +6,1%

HEL (JAN17-MAR17)
Domestic: 812 239 +5,9%
International: 3 349 069 +6,1%
Total: 4 161 308 +6,1%

All airports in Finland (JAN17-MAR17)
Domestic: 1 630 164 +6,0%
International: 3 625 741 +7,3%
Total: 5 255 905 +6,9%

Airports in the North are contributing to the growth with both domestic and international traffic increasing with airports such as RVN, KTT, IVL, KAO, KEM and ENF. Total passenger growth for these airports for the year to date are +18,1%, +24,4%, +18,9%, +13,9% ,+34,6% and +58,4% respectively. The growth is expected to continue in 2018 as Finnair starts services from CDG, FRA and ZRH to KTT as well as from LGW to IVL in addition to furthermore increasing domestic frequencies from HEL.

Sources:
https://dxww91gv4d0rs.cloudfront.net/fi ... -fi317.pdf
https://dxww91gv4d0rs.cloudfront.net/fi ... -fi317.pdf
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:47 pm

A320 SE-RJE (MSN1183, ex-Spanair) is currently stored at OSL and is scheduled to leave the SAS fleet next week
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:21 pm

Now have all of the five Nordic major airports published the numbers of passengers for March 2017

Passengers MARCH 2017
CPH 2.279.244 -0,2%
OSL 2.228.986 +9,0%
ARN 2.100.362. +6.0%
HEL 1.495.668. +5,3%
KEF 583.159. +44,8%
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:25 am

FIX wrote:
Airports in the North are contributing to the growth with both domestic and international traffic increasing with airports such as RVN, KTT, IVL, KAO, KEM and ENF. Total passenger growth for these airports for the year to date are +18,1%, +24,4%, +18,9%, +13,9% ,+34,6% and +58,4% respectively.


Tourism in Northern Finland is booming now, thanks to the new direct routes and the Chinese transit passengers. The number of Chinese passengers flying to Lapland via HEL grew 160% in Jan-Mar, according to Finnish paper HS.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:31 am

volatus wrote:
Now have all of the five Nordic major airports published the numbers of passengers for March 2017

Passengers MARCH 2017
CPH 2.279.244 -0,2%
OSL 2.228.986 +9,0%
ARN 2.100.362. +6.0%
HEL 1.495.668. +5,3%
KEF 583.159. +44,8%


Has CPH lost some routes or carrier that explains the decline? All other airports continue to sustain growth, with KEF the obvious leader.
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:20 pm

Information just came out that Iran Air's first international destination with their new A330-200 will be Gothenburg!
They will start flying the once weekly IKA-GOT service on May 1st, and their twice weekly IKA-ARN on May 3rd.

/Alex :)
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:11 am

B747forever wrote:
Has CPH lost some routes or carrier that explains the decline? All other airports continue to sustain growth, with KEF the obvious leader.

The reason for CPH not following the general trend is mainly the train station in the basement, which used to be a very convenient facility, but overnight was made into also a border control point due to the immigrant crisis. There is no space for that, and consequently it became a most terrible mess which people avoid when possible. CPH used to have a large catchment area in south-western Sweden. It has been reduced.

The alternative to train - taking own car over the bridge - has also become more cumbersome, especially at rush hours.

GOT is benefitting. New routes have been added, and look how KLM has added capacity on GOT-AMS. That's not only because south-western Swedes love to visit the Netherlands. When at AMS they can so easily connect to all over. Better than they can ever dream of from CPH.

As the border control seems to become permanent, while at the same time there are no plans to produce ordinary infrastructure facilities for border control, then the chaos at CPH will continue. People will adapt to the chaos by avoiding CPH when practical. And it is very practical for millions of mainly Swedish passengers.

CPH explains the decline with Easter holidays traffic being in March last year, and April this year. But that's a moot point when most other airports had 5+% progress.

Historically CPH used to be the main gateway for all Danes. That has also changed as mainly KLM has added capacity on routes like BLL-AMS and AAL-AMS. Making AMS a more convenient transit hub for many western Danes than CPH. That has nothing with border control chaos to do, but the effect on CPH is the same.

CPH is fast on the way to become the 2nd and soon later 3rd largest airport in Scandinavia.
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:03 am

prebennorholm wrote:
B747forever wrote:
Has CPH lost some routes or carrier that explains the decline? All other airports continue to sustain growth, with KEF the obvious leader.

The reason for CPH not following the general trend is mainly the train station in the basement, which used to be a very convenient facility, but overnight was made into also a border control point due to the immigrant crisis. There is no space for that, and consequently it became a most terrible mess which people avoid when possible. CPH used to have a large catchment area in south-western Sweden. It has been reduced.

The alternative to train - taking own car over the bridge - has also become more cumbersome, especially at rush hours.

GOT is benefitting. New routes have been added, and look how KLM has added capacity on GOT-AMS. That's not only because south-western Swedes love to visit the Netherlands. When at AMS they can so easily connect to all over. Better than they can ever dream of from CPH.

As the border control seems to become permanent, while at the same time there are no plans to produce ordinary infrastructure facilities for border control, then the chaos at CPH will continue. People will adapt to the chaos by avoiding CPH when practical. And it is very practical for millions of mainly Swedish passengers.

CPH explains the decline with Easter holidays traffic being in March last year, and April this year. But that's a moot point when most other airports had 5+% progress.

Historically CPH used to be the main gateway for all Danes. That has also changed as mainly KLM has added capacity on routes like BLL-AMS and AAL-AMS. Making AMS a more convenient transit hub for many western Danes than CPH. That has nothing with border control chaos to do, but the effect on CPH is the same.

CPH is fast on the way to become the 2nd and soon later 3rd largest airport in Scandinavia.



Hit the nail on the head.
Well written post.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:07 pm

SAS has announced the launch of a weekly flight from Stockholm to Eilat starting Oct. 28, thus adding to the growing lineup of airlines serving the new airport of Eilat set to open later this year.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:01 am

Passengers for GOT for March 2017:
508.511 +3%

For Jan - Mar
1.397.928 +3%
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:00 am

Another -600 is leaving the SAS fleet. 19 left

Boeing 737 -683 28294 137 LN-RPB SAS ferried 21apr17 OSL-DGX, for part-out & scrap ex N1787B




kameleonten wrote:
SAS has announced the launch of a weekly flight from Stockholm to Eilat starting Oct. 28, thus adding to the growing lineup of airlines serving the new airport of Eilat set to open later this year.


Seems like the local authorities are subsidising the flight with €60 per passenger
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:16 am

SAS has purchased the single leased ex-LAN Chile A340-300 (LN-RKP) from Gain Leasing Two LLC. This is the same aircraft that lost cabin pressure and had to divert to Goose Bay earlier this month. The question remains if they will upgrade the interior of this aircraft, since it's the only aircraft in their long haul fleet which still has the old LAN interior. While it was a leased aircraft, it made sense to keep the interior as it was, but now that they own it - upgrading it seems the logical thing to do. I'm guessing the purchase price was dirt cheap since this is a 20 year old A340, they're not very sought after in the marketplace.

Link in Danish:
http://insideflyer.dk/sas-har-lidt-over ... -a340-300/
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:27 am

JetBuddy wrote:
SAS has purchased the single leased ex-LAN Chile A340-300 (LN-RKP) from Gain Leasing Two LLC. This is the same aircraft that lost cabin pressure and had to divert to Goose Bay earlier this month. The question remains if they will upgrade the interior of this aircraft, since it's the only aircraft in their long haul fleet which still has the old LAN interior. While it was a leased aircraft, it made sense to keep the interior as it was, but now that they own it - upgrading it seems the logical thing to do. I'm guessing the purchase price was dirt cheap since this is a 20 year old A340, they're not very sought after in the marketplace.

Link in Danish:
http://insideflyer.dk/sas-har-lidt-over ... -a340-300/


Don't think it will be upgraded, but i might be wrong.

AFAIK it is still intended to be mainly used as a back-up aircraft, and also after some time as a parts, to keep the rest of the A340 fleet flying
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:32 am

Someone83 wrote:
Don't think it will be upgraded, but i might be wrong.

AFAIK it is still intended to be mainly used as a back-up aircraft, and also after some time as a parts, to keep the rest of the A340 fleet flying


That makes sense if it's still intended to be a back-up aircraft. I'm very curious about the purchase price, I'm guessing it was very low.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:04 pm

I just got confirmed from a third party that you're right Someone83. It will be a back-up aircraft until the end of next year, and then be used for spare parts for the rest of the fleet. The purchase price was extremely cheap, and the 4 CFM-56 engines are the newest in the fleet.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:16 pm

SAS is next winter launching once per week Helsinki - Malaga. Interesting.

https://www.avanza.se/placera/pressmedd ... alaga.html
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:21 pm

Finland and China renewed air transport arrangements

Finland and China have agreed on new aerial routes and signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) on air transport. The Finnish-Chinese air transport negotiations were held on 20-21 April in Helsinki.

In the negotiations, it was agreed that airlines would be able to start traffic between Finland and Nanjing. It was also agreed that Finland could start air traffic to Beijing from Rovaniemi. In the negotiations, the restrictions on the number of companies operating were abolished, which means that in the future, countries are free to designate several airlines without quantitative restrictions.

The next air transport negotiations between the countries will be held in China by 2019 at the latest.


Source (Ministry of Transport and Communications):
https://www.lvm.fi/-/suomi-ja-kiina-uud ... yja-929648

It will be interesting to see whether an airline starts RVN - PEK in the future.

I wonder if a narrow-body aircraft would be able to make it. The distance is 3256nm so probably A321LR would be able to do it. The question is whether 737 MAX, A320neo or A321neo would be able to do it. It would be far more economical to fly straight to RVN as flying through HEL makes the trip 536nm (16,5%) longer.

Image
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:25 pm

Air Iceland has sold its four Fokker F50's that have been in storage since they were replaced with Q400's last year. The buyer is Canadian firm Avmax. Air Iceland has also bought one 37-seat Q200 from Avmax but they already had two of that type on their fleet.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:09 pm

FIX wrote:
Finland and China renewed air transport arrangements

Finland and China have agreed on new aerial routes and signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) on air transport. The Finnish-Chinese air transport negotiations were held on 20-21 April in Helsinki.

In the negotiations, it was agreed that airlines would be able to start traffic between Finland and Nanjing. It was also agreed that Finland could start air traffic to Beijing from Rovaniemi. In the negotiations, the restrictions on the number of companies operating were abolished, which means that in the future, countries are free to designate several airlines without quantitative restrictions.

The next air transport negotiations between the countries will be held in China by 2019 at the latest.


Source (Ministry of Transport and Communications):
https://www.lvm.fi/-/suomi-ja-kiina-uud ... yja-929648

It will be interesting to see whether an airline starts RVN - PEK in the future.

I wonder if a narrow-body aircraft would be able to make it. The distance is 3256nm so probably A321LR would be able to do it. The question is whether 737 MAX, A320neo or A321neo would be able to do it. It would be far more economical to fly straight to RVN as flying through HEL makes the trip 536nm (16,5%) longer.

Image


So AY will start Nanjing at some point in the future obviously. Regarding the RVN news I find it possible that AY could use a spare A330 regularly used for summer destinations during the winter for a 1 per week flight possibly?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:20 pm

FIX wrote:

It will be interesting to see whether an airline starts RVN - PEK in the future.

I wonder if a narrow-body aircraft would be able to make it. The distance is 3256nm so probably A321LR would be able to do it. The question is whether 737 MAX, A320neo or A321neo would be able to do it. It would be far more economical to fly straight to RVN as flying through HEL makes the trip 536nm (16,5%) longer.


Any narrow body will be able to make it. There are sufficiently fuel stations in between. A fuel stop would not even ruin 24 h rotation unless you have to wait hours for it to open. Tourists would not care about a technical stop if they avoid a change. I do not know, however, whether the bilaterals allow that.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:31 pm

Norwegian Air Shuttle Boeing 737-800 EI-FVP with Santiago Ramón y Cajal on it's tail:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santiago_R ... 3n_y_Cajal

https://www.flickr.com/photos/andymarks ... otostream/
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:10 pm

YIMBY wrote:
Any narrow body will be able to make it. There are sufficiently fuel stations in between. A fuel stop would not even ruin 24 h rotation unless you have to wait hours for it to open. Tourists would not care about a technical stop if they avoid a change. I do not know, however, whether the bilaterals allow that.

It will be interesting to see what happens. Obviously there is an increasing demand from the Chinese end not just to Finland but also to the whole of Europe. Finland is well positioned from the Chinese point of view.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Sat Apr 22, 2017 12:25 am

prebennorholm wrote:
B747forever wrote:
Has CPH lost some routes or carrier that explains the decline? All other airports continue to sustain growth, with KEF the obvious leader.

The reason for CPH not following the general trend is mainly the train station in the basement, which used to be a very convenient facility, but overnight was made into also a border control point due to the immigrant crisis. There is no space for that, and consequently it became a most terrible mess which people avoid when possible. CPH used to have a large catchment area in south-western Sweden. It has been reduced.

The alternative to train - taking own car over the bridge - has also become more cumbersome, especially at rush hours.

GOT is benefitting. New routes have been added, and look how KLM has added capacity on GOT-AMS. That's not only because south-western Swedes love to visit the Netherlands. When at AMS they can so easily connect to all over. Better than they can ever dream of from CPH.

As the border control seems to become permanent, while at the same time there are no plans to produce ordinary infrastructure facilities for border control, then the chaos at CPH will continue. People will adapt to the chaos by avoiding CPH when practical. And it is very practical for millions of mainly Swedish passengers.

CPH explains the decline with Easter holidays traffic being in March last year, and April this year. But that's a moot point when most other airports had 5+% progress.

Historically CPH used to be the main gateway for all Danes. That has also changed as mainly KLM has added capacity on routes like BLL-AMS and AAL-AMS. Making AMS a more convenient transit hub for many western Danes than CPH. That has nothing with border control chaos to do, but the effect on CPH is the same.

CPH is fast on the way to become the 2nd and soon later 3rd largest airport in Scandinavia.


Wow, thanks for the great explanation. Makes it all much clearer on what challenges CPH has to face.
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Sat Apr 22, 2017 12:27 pm

kanye wrote:
SAS is next winter launching once per week Helsinki - Malaga. Interesting.

https://www.avanza.se/placera/pressmedd ... alaga.html


That was interesting, still missing Blue1 (SASFinland) days, they used to operate plenty of routes.

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So AY will start Nanjing at some point in the future obviously. Regarding the RVN news I find it possible that AY could use a spare A330 regularly used for summer destinations during the winter for a 1 per week flight possibly?


Yes once weekly service in winter sounds right. Years back Finnair operated triangle route NRT-RVN-HEL (MD-11) a couple of times during Christmas, don't know if similar arrangement would be possible now. I think it's more likely to see some Chinese charter operator in Rovaniemi.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Sat Apr 22, 2017 3:36 pm

kanye wrote:
SAS is next winter launching once per week Helsinki - Malaga. Interesting.

https://www.avanza.se/placera/pressmedd ... alaga.html


I believe this is the first route from a non-Scandinavian airport under the mainline SAS brand. At least that's what SAS is saying.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:39 pm

Maybe first flight froma new Spanish base?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Sat Apr 22, 2017 8:39 pm

Kikko19 wrote:
Maybe first flight froma new Spanish base?


No. Seems to be operated "from" HEL with 737
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:56 pm

According to Finnish business paper Talouselämä Iberia is to blame Finnair axed their MIA service for the summer. Iberia had committed to operate MIA for AY during the summer but withdrew their agreement at last moment in order to operate new Level flights.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:47 pm

Heavy, and wet, snowfall really hit OSL today. Counting 76 cancelled departures, and many flights delayed between 1 and 5 hours throughout the day
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:39 pm

Mortyman wrote:
Norwegian Air Shuttle Boeing 737-800 EI-FVP with Santiago Ramón y Cajal on it's tail:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santiago_R ... 3n_y_Cajal

https://www.flickr.com/photos/andymarks ... otostream/



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