PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:This whole thread got really stupid again for a little bit there but maybe can get back to something with a little bit of reality.
The overall problem I see on this thread, and also on many of the other a.net threads that turn into a whine-fest about perceived lack of air service, perceived lack of air service development, or perceived feeling their respective airport is being shunning is the understanding of what drives air service growth in 2017.
Too many people on a.net get too emotional over the thought of "exotic" airline liveries, widebodies, "exotic" routes, prestigue routes (that they will never use) but somehow makes them feel better about themselves, or aspects that aren't relevant to the business drivers in the industry.
Whether you like it or not, airlines are for-profit entities. They will do what is best for their business. They will employ a variety of strategies to achieve their operational and financial objectives. This at times may be at odds with what consumers or advocates of a local market think
People put too much blame on airport management for the perceived lack of air service development. They can only work with in the confines of the resources they are given and have to look after the interests of all stakeholders as well. They can't generate demand at a given price point that doesn't exist. They have to balance the requirements of their long-term tenants and customers versus the need for future business development.
People tend to view this too much as black and white or an either/or situation.
A few other points that we've mentioned in other posts all over the place:
LHR - There is more than sufficient supply (seats) to capture the demand at legacy-carrier pricing. Anyone can fill a plane to Europe in peak summer, but its the other 10 months of the year that determine the overall profitability and viability of the route. There could be more demand of a lower-cost carrier were to enter the market with lower fares to stimulate the market. BA isn't going to change that dynamic, and they have the issue of too many larger and/or premium-heavy aircraft other than really a 763 that could serve the market.
ATL - DL's ATL mega-hub is built on the ability to run a large-scale connecting operation using predominantly large narrow-body aircraft 160-200 seats. This uses lower CASM aircraft to move large volumes of people across a hub in a large O&D market. Simply point, DL can move a lot of people and have a huge number of flights to cover the fixed costs of the large hub operaiton
DTW & MSP - while ATL may be the largest overall profit, it has previously been determine that MSP & DTW have some of the higest profit margins in the industry. DL achieves this by keeping capacity relatively low and changing higher fares for such limited capacity in balance with demand.
B6/AS focus cities / hubs - there really is no scenario where this is becomes realistic. Not sure why some on a.net thing this is viable idea.
I guess I just get tired since people argue this thread on both ends.
I understand what you are saying and I'm sure that in your business learned curriculum this all makes sense but the fact of the matter still is the WCAA is doing a very poor job at selling this airport. Also why should DTW travels be paying higher fares just to subsidize other hubs in the Delta network. Why is the WCAA not out there promoting this airport in the public eye do you hear the repeated ads that constantly play about Bishop Airport in the Detroit area but at the WCAA all is quiet since the EK Dubai petition there has be no public initiative as far as drumming up support or bringing new service conducted by the WCAA so please don't defend them in say they are doing a good job and please don't say airlines don't listen to that because doing something is better than doing nothing in my view. I see nothing in the media about the WCAA wanting to bring more low fare options to Detroit and drumming up support with that imitative. I agree that DTW may be a hard sale it doesn't mean you fold up and do nothing it means you try harder I also bring up the fact that Detroit is one of the biggest manufacturing base in the United States but yet they is not one dedicated cargo flight operating out of this airport and please don't say UPS, FEDEX and DHL because those are not dedicated bulk cargo carriers. We all have our point of views no one person is more right or wrong than the other and since the WCAA is our voice to adding new service to Detroit and presenting it's case that is where the blame must lie. I truly believe that if the WCAA doesn't land one of these low coast European airline for the 2018 summer season that window will also be closed leaving Detroiters no other option but driving to YYZ and ORD to get affordable fares if they want travel with their family back home for a summer vacation with family a very sad thought in this day and age when just 10 to 15 years ago that was not the case so if anything this market has regressed instead of progressed as far as the customer is concerned. One other thing to mention when you don't agree with the point of view expressed here it is silly or irrelevant something which you have never heard me say about your views in this market.