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Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Mon May 15, 2017 5:01 pm

For all of you that are dreaming of a ME3 carrier or Turkish landing in Detroit it isn't going to happen the WCAA let that window of opportunity slip by and Delta is breathing a sigh of relief. So get used to booking your double connects with B6 over FLL and BOS if you want to fly EK to India.
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Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Mon May 15, 2017 7:39 pm

DL always flies a holiday week schedule when 4th of July falls mid-week. There is almost no business travel that week, across all industries, not just auto. Its not just a Detroit thing.
They cut frequency out on business-travel heavy routes and fly more like a Saturday schedule all week, with some selective increases in leisure-oriented markets.

This happens every year.
I believe in some years, they didn't fly anything but hub routes out of markets like RDU, CVG, MEM when they all have/had a significant amount of point-to-point/non-hub flying.
 
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Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Mon May 15, 2017 8:27 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
DL always flies a holiday week schedule when 4th of July falls mid-week. There is almost no business travel that week, across all industries, not just auto. Its not just a Detroit thing.
They cut frequency out on business-travel heavy routes and fly more like a Saturday schedule all week, with some selective increases in leisure-oriented markets.

This happens every year.
I believe in some years, they didn't fly anything but hub routes out of markets like RDU, CVG, MEM when they all have/had a significant amount of point-to-point/non-hub flying.


DL had long planned reduced flying over the first week of July, but the latest cuts deepens them. I haven't "explored" how the cuts compare to other hubs or last year (and quite honestly, probably won't), I'm just pointing them out.

As I've mentioned many times before, every single year DL is getting aggressive in updating its schedules closer to the departure date. Last week I booked some flights the first week of July and the equipment was downgauged from MD-88 both ways to the CR9; if I would've known that, I would've opted for similarly timed flights on NK (and saved some money). I realize I could request a refund, but unfortunately the NK fare is gone. Just my pet peeve...
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Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Tue May 16, 2017 1:56 am

alfa164 wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
A 2017 version of the defunct Pro-Air has resurfaced as a new proposed airline to be based out of DET utilizing Avro-RJ100's.
Metropolitan Airways. That is an ambitious plan!


Many of you may have missed here what I missed at first. Look at the website of the airline under Metro Fleet then select Proposed Routing. Here is a link to that:

http://metroairways.net/proposed-routing/

Scroll down just a little and note 3 maps showing what I would call 3 distinct hubs. This tells me that this is not just a ProAir replacement. It would appear that DET is a very small sliver of a bigger plan. I am not saying that they can pull this off with all the competition however I like the general concept of inserting a few business type flights at DET.

Also it would appear at this point that they probably have just one aircraft if they have that. Possibly the chosen aircraft hasn't been acquired yet but who knows. It will be interesting to see how this pans out in the next year. Frankly I hope for that area of Detroit I hope they do well as a small business accessory to DTW.
 
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Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Tue May 16, 2017 2:12 am

klm617 wrote:
For all of you that are dreaming of a ME3 carrier or Turkish landing in Detroit it isn't going to happen the WCAA let that window of opportunity slip by and Delta is breathing a sigh of relief. So get used to booking your double connects with B6 over FLL and BOS if you want to fly EK to India.


I just booked my double connect on Turkish/B6 to STR. It was actually a decent price- $995 for the end of June.
 
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Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Fri May 19, 2017 12:20 am

In the latest Southwest Airlines schedule release DTW-LAS goes from once daily to once weekly.
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Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Fri May 19, 2017 12:22 am

Puissance wrote:
klm617 wrote:
For all of you that are dreaming of a ME3 carrier or Turkish landing in Detroit it isn't going to happen the WCAA let that window of opportunity slip by and Delta is breathing a sigh of relief. So get used to booking your double connects with B6 over FLL and BOS if you want to fly EK to India.


I just booked my double connect on Turkish/B6 to STR. It was actually a decent price- $995 for the end of June.



I agree it's a very good price but it's a shame you have to double your flight time to get that price.
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Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Fri May 19, 2017 12:38 am

klm617 wrote:
In the latest Southwest Airlines schedule release DTW-LAS goes from once daily to once weekly.
Southwest in my opinion is a shame to DTW, they cut all FL routes, and brought back a winter seasonal once weekly and Saturday MCO that lasts until the first week of April which IMHO is pathetic. I really think WN's service that is offered at DTW is pathetic in general, so they basically gave F9 a one way ticket to a perfectly successful route as well as access to the third largest domestic market for O&D behind NYC (HPN, EWR, LGA, JFK) and MCO, and it can most definitely be operated on an A320 for F9.
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Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Fri May 19, 2017 1:36 am

flymco753 wrote:
klm617 wrote:
In the latest Southwest Airlines schedule release DTW-LAS goes from once daily to once weekly.
Southwest in my opinion is a shame to DTW, they cut all FL routes, and brought back a winter seasonal once weekly and Saturday MCO that lasts until the first week of April which IMHO is pathetic. I really think WN's service that is offered at DTW is pathetic in general, so they basically gave F9 a one way ticket to a perfectly successful route as well as access to the third largest domestic market for O&D behind NYC (HPN, EWR, LGA, JFK) and MCO, and it can most definitely be operated on an A320 for F9.


WN is a shame to DTW, DL hates DTW. BA/LO/KE/KL/JL/NH/ME3 all have it in their mission statement to punish DTW. Those poor people that don't have hubs anymore would kill to have 50% of what DTW has.

Please face reality, DTW is not NYC, LA, CHI, DFW, HOU, DC, MIA, etc. DTW is not the worlds greatest hub. It has more than most would be happy with. Maybe you'll get your wish and DL will de-hub in favor of MSP. Than what do you have, CLE part 2?

This poor DTW thread has run its course.
 
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Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Fri May 19, 2017 3:40 am

Taco2sDay wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
klm617 wrote:
In the latest Southwest Airlines schedule release DTW-LAS goes from once daily to once weekly.
Southwest in my opinion is a shame to DTW, they cut all FL routes, and brought back a winter seasonal once weekly and Saturday MCO that lasts until the first week of April which IMHO is pathetic. I really think WN's service that is offered at DTW is pathetic in general, so they basically gave F9 a one way ticket to a perfectly successful route as well as access to the third largest domestic market for O&D behind NYC (HPN, EWR, LGA, JFK) and MCO, and it can most definitely be operated on an A320 for F9.


WN is a shame to DTW, DL hates DTW. BA/LO/KE/KL/JL/NH/ME3 all have it in their mission statement to punish DTW. Those poor people that don't have hubs anymore would kill to have 50% of what DTW has.

Please face reality, DTW is not NYC, LA, CHI, DFW, HOU, DC, MIA, etc. DTW is not the worlds greatest hub. It has more than most would be happy with. Maybe you'll get your wish and DL will de-hub in favor of MSP. Than what do you have, CLE part 2?

This poor DTW thread has run its course.
:roll: Than why come here? Don't post here if you don't want to see it, simple.
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Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Fri May 19, 2017 4:56 am

flymco753 wrote:
Taco2sDay wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
Southwest in my opinion is a shame to DTW, they cut all FL routes, and brought back a winter seasonal once weekly and Saturday MCO that lasts until the first week of April which IMHO is pathetic. I really think WN's service that is offered at DTW is pathetic in general, so they basically gave F9 a one way ticket to a perfectly successful route as well as access to the third largest domestic market for O&D behind NYC (HPN, EWR, LGA, JFK) and MCO, and it can most definitely be operated on an A320 for F9.

WN is a shame to DTW, DL hates DTW. BA/LO/KE/KL/JL/NH/ME3 all have it in their mission statement to punish DTW. Those poor people that don't have hubs anymore would kill to have 50% of what DTW has.
Please face reality, DTW is not NYC, LA, CHI, DFW, HOU, DC, MIA, etc. DTW is not the worlds greatest hub. It has more than most would be happy with. Maybe you'll get your wish and DL will de-hub in favor of MSP. Than what do you have, CLE part 2?
This poor DTW thread has run its course.
:roll: Than why come here? Don't post here if you don't want to see it, simple.


Some people come here because - between the inevitable whining, crying, and gnashing of teeth from some conspiracy fabricator - we hope to glean at least a few facts about an airport that is an important (albeit not the most important... sorry) hub in the USA. It would be... could be... and interesting subject... were it not for the distraction of someone's/something's personal neurosis... :roll:

And if you don't want to see someone else's honest opinion - as opposed to a conspiracy theory - maybe don't need to post here, either.
 
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Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Fri May 19, 2017 5:08 am

KarlB737 wrote:
alfa164 wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
A 2017 version of the defunct Pro-Air has resurfaced as a new proposed airline to be based out of DET utilizing Avro-RJ100's.
Metropolitan Airways. That is an ambitious plan!


Many of you may have missed here what I missed at first. Look at the website of the airline under Metro Fleet then select Proposed Routing. Here is a link to that:

http://metroairways.net/proposed-routing/

Scroll down just a little and note 3 maps showing what I would call 3 distinct hubs. This tells me that this is not just a ProAir replacement. It would appear that DET is a very small sliver of a bigger plan. I am not saying that they can pull this off with all the competition however I like the general concept of inserting a few business type flights at DET.

Also it would appear at this point that they probably have just one aircraft if they have that. Possibly the chosen aircraft hasn't been acquired yet but who knows. It will be interesting to see how this pans out in the next year. Frankly I hope for that area of Detroit I hope they do well as a small business accessory to DTW.


Their website looks like the work of someone with a lot of time on their hands. I give this zero chance of ever getting off the ground. I do like the pic of the Alaska Airlines seat and famous fruit and cheese platter in the food and beverage section. They don't even really try to hide the Alaska Airlines name.
 
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Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Fri May 19, 2017 10:08 pm

alfa164 wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
Taco2sDay wrote:
WN is a shame to DTW, DL hates DTW. BA/LO/KE/KL/JL/NH/ME3 all have it in their mission statement to punish DTW. Those poor people that don't have hubs anymore would kill to have 50% of what DTW has.
Please face reality, DTW is not NYC, LA, CHI, DFW, HOU, DC, MIA, etc. DTW is not the worlds greatest hub. It has more than most would be happy with. Maybe you'll get your wish and DL will de-hub in favor of MSP. Than what do you have, CLE part 2?
This poor DTW thread has run its course.
:roll: Than why come here? Don't post here if you don't want to see it, simple.


Some people come here because - between the inevitable whining, crying, and gnashing of teeth from some conspiracy fabricator - we hope to glean at least a few facts about an airport that is an important (albeit not the most important... sorry) hub in the USA. It would be... could be... and interesting subject... were it not for the distraction of someone's/something's personal neurosis... :roll:

And if you don't want to see someone else's honest opinion - as opposed to a conspiracy theory - maybe don't need to post here, either.
Ive tried telling this user that, they dont know about the DTW market, the certainly dont know much about DTW, and theyre kind of the peanut gallery in this forum who thinks they know but really dont just because they probably know people here and live 1000 miles away. :roll:
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Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Fri May 19, 2017 10:25 pm

alfa164 wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
Taco2sDay wrote:
WN is a shame to DTW, DL hates DTW. BA/LO/KE/KL/JL/NH/ME3 all have it in their mission statement to punish DTW. Those poor people that don't have hubs anymore would kill to have 50% of what DTW has.
Please face reality, DTW is not NYC, LA, CHI, DFW, HOU, DC, MIA, etc. DTW is not the worlds greatest hub. It has more than most would be happy with. Maybe you'll get your wish and DL will de-hub in favor of MSP. Than what do you have, CLE part 2?
This poor DTW thread has run its course.
:roll: Than why come here? Don't post here if you don't want to see it, simple.


Some people come here because - between the inevitable whining, crying, and gnashing of teeth from some conspiracy fabricator - we hope to glean at least a few facts about an airport that is an important (albeit not the most important... sorry) hub in the USA. It would be... could be... and interesting subject... were it not for the distraction of someone's/something's personal neurosis... :roll:

And if you don't want to see someone else's honest opinion - as opposed to a conspiracy theory - maybe don't need to post here, either.



Not to mention the people who claim to be in the know and spread the corporate propaganda of the entities that sign their paycheck every week who are offended by the opposing point of view of the customer who is tired of being treated just as a number as if their custom has no value to them other than the fact that they have a wallet in their pocket.
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Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Sat May 20, 2017 2:19 am

You can tell Metropolitan Airways has no chance simply from the shitty graphic design and rambling, grammar-challenged statement on the homepage: http://metroairways.net/
...it could be that klm is trying to start an airline with a little boy's fantasy route map, or maybe it's just a hobby site.



I remember seeing a route map published by Porter a while ago (either from an investor deck or their in-flight magazine) that listed DTW as a future destination (demarcated by a dashed line).
 
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Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Sat May 20, 2017 3:27 am

klm617 wrote:
alfa164 wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
:roll: Than why come here? Don't post here if you don't want to see it, simple.


Some people come here because - between the inevitable whining, crying, and gnashing of teeth from some conspiracy fabricator - we hope to glean at least a few facts about an airport that is an important (albeit not the most important... sorry) hub in the USA. It would be... could be... and interesting subject... were it not for the distraction of someone's/something's personal neurosis... :roll:

And if you don't want to see someone else's honest opinion - as opposed to a conspiracy theory - maybe don't need to post here, either.



Not to mention the people who claim to be in the know and spread the corporate propaganda of the entities that sign their paycheck every week who are offended by the opposing point of view of the customer who is tired of being treated just as a number as if their custom has no value to them other than the fact that they have a wallet in their pocket.


We come here to return the favor of all the DTW alum hijacking every thread out there. Please don't make a TPA-HAV a resolution in DTW.
 
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Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Sun May 21, 2017 1:24 am

Here's a quick look at what this summer will be like and I used Friday July 14th.
Aeromexico (including Aeromexico Connect): 2
Air Canada Express: 4
Air France: 1
Alaska: 2
American (including American Eagle): 37
Frontier: 3
Jetblue: 4
Lufthansa: 1
Royal Jordanian: 1
Southwest: 21
Spirit: 27
United (including United Express): 25
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Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Sun May 21, 2017 1:45 am

klm617 wrote:

Not to mention the people who claim to be in the know and spread the corporate propaganda of the entities that sign their paycheck every week who are offended by the opposing point of view of the customer who is tired of being treated just as a number as if their custom has no value to them other than the fact that they have a wallet in their pocket.


My paycheck comes from an educational institution. What amazse me about you is that whenever you're presented with facts that refute your fantasies, you never respond.
 
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Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Sun May 21, 2017 1:46 am

Hows DTW doing going into halfway through 2017? I think the airport is progressing along fairly well. Heres some notes I made,,,

I do think- NK might add another destination before years end, Delta will continue to reduce frequency while increasing seats, Aeromexico will withdrawal one of their routes, Volaris will announce GDL or MEX, and DL will shift FCO to BOS.

I don't think- LOT will even move an inch where things are now, AA will add LAX since they seem to have no interest at this time or space available for a perfectly timed flight, WOW will announce DTW since they will have ORD and YYZ (I suspect YQG, FNT even CLE or GRR would be a better option for them anyway), DL will add SJC, SMF, ELP, ABQ or TUS since these are all unrealistic markets and are better served from MSP and SLC even LAX and SEA, DL will fly many A321s at DTW, and WN will keep LAS.

I think adds are pretty much over for DTW this year and the beginning of the next, with maybe the exception of an NK route and the announcement of Volaris, there's just no reason for any other services right now, all markets are sufficiently filled at the moment and I think DTW is doing fine.
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Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Sun May 21, 2017 1:54 am

I just purchased my flight from Detroit to Warsaw on Lufthansa via Frankfurt, it will be aboard the Queen herself, the Boeing 747-400. I really would like to know, how LOT could potentially become interested in Detroit. I am interested in learning, how it could possibly be feasible, because, of course, simply saying people transit to Chicago and Toronto to utilize LOT is not as factual as a company that could potentially land a contract. My friends set up a yearly trip and take about 10 others with them in the Polish Community and they utilize LOT, but obviously I can not prove that since it is a statement and not a fact.
 
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Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Wed May 24, 2017 2:11 pm

Does anyone have the PDEW between DTW and BCN? I'm trying to figure out if Delta can make a nonstop work, I think that's one of the few routes they can do on a 757 and make a profit. Where's flymco753 when you need him to do the math?
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Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Wed May 24, 2017 3:37 pm

iFlyDTW wrote:
Does anyone have the PDEW between DTW and BCN? I'm trying to figure out if Delta can make a nonstop work, I think that's one of the few routes they can do on a 757 and make a profit. Where's flymco753 when you need him to do the math?
In 2016 one way to BCN was 9364. A DL 76W has 208 seats, it would be assumed the route would initially run from May 1 to Sep 30. In that timeframe it would be 31,616 seats one way to BCN. That would mean the plane would be only 29.61% O&D from DTW. In that case, I wouldn't be comfortable adding this route.

A 75S has 168 seats. Same timeframe, 25,535 seats. It's an increase to 36.6% local passengers but I still would not convinced this route will make money, even if some of the bleeding stops to ORD and YYZ.

Either way you'd have to have well over 50% of the plane being connecting passengers and that's probably hard to do so it wouldn't make sense for DL to add BCN from DTW on any plane and make it economical.
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Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Wed May 24, 2017 8:21 pm

Speaking of O&D, there was an interesting slide on the recent Air France Investor Day presentation discussed on another thread. It spoke about the JV between DL,KL,and AF and how they wanted to increase hub to hub traffic. They defined this as ATL,MSP and DTW to CDG and AMS. The slide stated that last year there were three million passengers on those routes, and only about 300,000 (or 10%) were O&D passengers to and from the hubs.
 
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Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Thu May 25, 2017 12:21 am

Puissance wrote:
Speaking of O&D, there was an interesting slide on the recent Air France Investor Day presentation discussed on another thread. It spoke about the JV between DL,KL,and AF and how they wanted to increase hub to hub traffic. They defined this as ATL,MSP and DTW to CDG and AMS. The slide stated that last year there were three million passengers on those routes, and only about 300,000 (or 10%) were O&D passengers to and from the hubs.



Gives us hope that we may see KLM in this market yet :-)
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Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Thu May 25, 2017 12:26 am

klm617 wrote:
Puissance wrote:
Speaking of O&D, there was an interesting slide on the recent Air France Investor Day presentation discussed on another thread. It spoke about the JV between DL,KL,and AF and how they wanted to increase hub to hub traffic. They defined this as ATL,MSP and DTW to CDG and AMS. The slide stated that last year there were three million passengers on those routes, and only about 300,000 (or 10%) were O&D passengers to and from the hubs.



Gives us hope that we may see KLM in this market yet :-)

And the only reason you want old KL metal and not old DL metal is because KL is part of the magical NW bubble you seem to live in
 
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Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Thu May 25, 2017 4:32 pm

ASQ400 wrote:
klm617 wrote:
Puissance wrote:
Speaking of O&D, there was an interesting slide on the recent Air France Investor Day presentation discussed on another thread. It spoke about the JV between DL,KL,and AF and how they wanted to increase hub to hub traffic. They defined this as ATL,MSP and DTW to CDG and AMS. The slide stated that last year there were three million passengers on those routes, and only about 300,000 (or 10%) were O&D passengers to and from the hubs.



Gives us hope that we may see KLM in this market yet :-)

And the only reason you want old KL metal and not old DL metal is because KL is part of the magical NW bubble you seem to live in


No because KLM service all around is way better than Delta. Deal with KLM cabin crew and service agents and you will see the difference.
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Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Thu May 25, 2017 5:10 pm

klm617 wrote:
ASQ400 wrote:
klm617 wrote:


Gives us hope that we may see KLM in this market yet :-)

And the only reason you want old KL metal and not old DL metal is because KL is part of the magical NW bubble you seem to live in


No because KLM service all around is way better than Delta. Deal with KLM cabin crew and service agents and you will see the difference.

I haven't really been impressed that KLM service is better than DL, setting aside the fact that Europeans have better airplane food.
In any case, the JV is more about serving more markets than giving fanboys a climax
 
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Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Fri May 26, 2017 12:10 am

ASQ400 wrote:
klm617 wrote:
ASQ400 wrote:
And the only reason you want old KL metal and not old DL metal is because KL is part of the magical NW bubble you seem to live in


No because KLM service all around is way better than Delta. Deal with KLM cabin crew and service agents and you will see the difference.

I haven't really been impressed that KLM service is better than DL, setting aside the fact that Europeans have better airplane food.
In any case, the JV is more about serving more markets than giving fanboys a climax



My experience has always been way better than those on the US airlines.
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Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Fri May 26, 2017 12:14 am

klm617 wrote:
ASQ400 wrote:
klm617 wrote:

No because KLM service all around is way better than Delta. Deal with KLM cabin crew and service agents and you will see the difference.

I haven't really been impressed that KLM service is better than DL, setting aside the fact that Europeans have better airplane food.
In any case, the JV is more about serving more markets than giving fanboys a climax



My experience has always been way better than those on the US airlines.

Through the heavily-tinted lens of your severe anti-DL bias.
Even if KLM service is that much better, it doesn't make sense for them to service DTW. Thanks to AF management trying to create a magic LCC, KLM isn't expanding its LH fleet, so they'll keep serving places like SFO and ORD, while letting DL service AMS from low-O&D hubs like Detroit
 
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Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Fri May 26, 2017 12:54 am

ASQ400 wrote:
klm617 wrote:
ASQ400 wrote:
I haven't really been impressed that KLM service is better than DL, setting aside the fact that Europeans have better airplane food.
In any case, the JV is more about serving more markets than giving fanboys a climax



My experience has always been way better than those on the US airlines.

Through the heavily-tinted lens of your severe anti-DL bias.
Even if KLM service is that much better, it doesn't make sense for them to service DTW. Thanks to AF management trying to create a magic LCC, KLM isn't expanding its LH fleet, so they'll keep serving places like SFO and ORD, while letting DL service AMS from low-O&D hubs like Detroit
This thread was once ruled by another user but now there's a maniac taking it over. Probably has no clue about DTW or its markets and is collaborating with a user with the same goal to assume everyone who talks DTW is made garbage on these threads. :roll:
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Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Fri May 26, 2017 1:15 am

iFlyDTW wrote:
ASQ400 wrote:
klm617 wrote:


My experience has always been way better than those on the US airlines.

Through the heavily-tinted lens of your severe anti-DL bias.
Even if KLM service is that much better, it doesn't make sense for them to service DTW. Thanks to AF management trying to create a magic LCC, KLM isn't expanding its LH fleet, so they'll keep serving places like SFO and ORD, while letting DL service AMS from low-O&D hubs like Detroit
This thread was once ruled by another user but now there's a maniac taking it over. Probably has no clue about DTW or its markets and is collaborating with a user with the same goal to assume everyone who talks DTW is made garbage on these threads. :roll:

A good amount of DTW users on a.net are idiots.
Detroit itself does suffer from blight, and hasn't recovered from all the outsourcing.
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