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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:25 am

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ahj2000 wrote:
THANKS for that! Look at the CR2s disappear!

All those Air Wisconsin pilots will be flying for United express. American Airlines’ loss really.


I don't think so. Crappy CRJ-200s to replaced with Envoy E140/E145s. An upgrade, actually.

You realize American just lost an entire pilot group to its competitor during a time when finding regional pilots is being challenging at best? It’s completely a loss to American.
 
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:31 pm

flight152 wrote:
Boeing778X wrote:
flight152 wrote:
All those Air Wisconsin pilots will be flying for United express. American Airlines’ loss really.


I don't think so. Crappy CRJ-200s to replaced with Envoy E140/E145s. An upgrade, actually.

You realize American just lost an entire pilot group to its competitor during a time when finding regional pilots is being challenging at best? It’s completely a loss to American.


More flying for us at Envoy. It's why we had 58x E140s in storage. So fine, we might be a few pilots short. We'll be okay.

Air Wisconsin can go help keep UAs hard product bad.
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:42 pm

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You realize American just lost an entire pilot group to its competitor during a time when finding regional pilots is being challenging at best? It’s completely a loss to American.


Given how dynamic pilot staffing is in the regional airline industry right now, I doubt many of those Air Wisconsin pilots will be there in a matter of months, let alone years, anyway. Pilots are moving around - and moving up - all over the place. AA seems to found a viable means to create a talent pipeline with the flow-through systems at its three wholly-owned carriers (Envoy, Piedmont and PSA).

Having said all that - from the cabin comfort, product and passenger experience standpoint, I, too, am thrilled to see these CRJ200s exiting the AA network.
 
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:42 pm

How come N839AW was retired?
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:37 pm

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How come N839AW was retired?

:confused: Where did you see that? N839AW is currently en route AUS-CLT via FR24. Scheduled to operate several turns through MIA tomorrow as well.
 
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:46 am

Runway28L wrote:
Swadian wrote:
How come N839AW was retired?

:confused: Where did you see that? N839AW is currently en route AUS-CLT via FR24. Scheduled to operate several turns through MIA tomorrow as well.


839 was showing as retired on the fleet site when it went off for repaint so I would assume thats where they saw it.
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:29 am

B738 N922AN / 3AX is in the paint shop at GUS for new livery. 10 remaining 738s in legacy livery.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N922AN
 
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:58 pm

B738 N919AN / 3AU is in the paint shop at GUS for new livery. 9 remaining 738s in legacy livery.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N919AN
 
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:34 pm

Another 737 MAX is scheduled to be delivered on 10/30/17

Flight AA 9701 is schedule to ferry from BFI to TUL

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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:04 am

jgcotter is the last 738 going to remain in the L-AA livery? I know they're repainting, but will there be one heritage aircraft in the old livery?
 
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:32 pm

That’s been my understanding as well, that the last 738 delivered in legacy livery, N921NN / 3KG, was going to remain in legacy livery as a heritage/retro bird, but I haven’t seen anything official from the company yet.
 
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:57 pm

Another 767-300 retirement to ROW today.

N373AA / 373

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N373AA
 
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:25 pm

Anyone know whats going to happen to 905AN/3AE? I think the Flagship Liberty livery would look odd in the new livery.
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:35 pm

American just bought ten more E175s for Envoy.
 
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:43 am

jgcotter wrote:
Another 767-300 retirement to ROW today.

N373AA / 373

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N373AA


I believe that is the last AA 763 that had the old J config, yes?

EDIT: Just saw in the 767 topic that indeed there are now no more of the AA 763 with the old J config.
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:01 am

jgcotter wrote:
American just bought ten more E175s for Envoy.


Total with be 54x at this point, with delivery next year.
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:48 pm

Anyone know what B763 N389AA has been at BFM seven weeks for?
 
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:36 pm

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Anyone know what B763 N389AA has been at BFM seven weeks for?

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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:14 pm

Thanks!
 
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:42 pm

Another 738 off to GUS for repainting today

N904AN / 3AD
scheduled to ferry ORD to GUS as AA 9651
 
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:59 pm

miaami wrote:
Another 738 off to GUS for repainting today

N904AN / 3AD
scheduled to ferry ORD to GUS as AA 9651


8 remaining 738s and 1 remaining 752 in legacy livery.
 
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:47 am

Another 738 ferried to GUS for new paint

N905AN / 3AE
Ferried as AA 9659 ORD to GUS
 
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:45 am

7 remaining 738s in legacy livery.
 
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:09 am

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Another 738 ferried to GUS for new paint

N905AN / 3AE
Ferried as AA 9659 ORD to GUS

Boy I'm glad I made it out last week to get a pic of her!
 
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:10 am

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7 remaining 738s in legacy livery.


#3AE is currently the aircraft painted as "Flagship Liberty". I wonder if it will still sport the livery or if a new aircraft will become the new "Flagship Liberty"?
 
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:17 am

Boeing778X wrote:
flight152 wrote:
Boeing778X wrote:

I don't think so. Crappy CRJ-200s to replaced with Envoy E140/E145s. An upgrade, actually.

You realize American just lost an entire pilot group to its competitor during a time when finding regional pilots is being challenging at best? It’s completely a loss to American.


More flying for us at Envoy. It's why we had 58x E140s in storage. So fine, we might be a few pilots short. We'll be okay.

Air Wisconsin can go help keep UAs hard product bad.

Few pilots short? Recruiting is easy? Right. That’s exactly why Envoy is still flying all those CR7’s and not PSA, they don’t have the pilots to fly them.
 
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:19 am

flight152 wrote:
Boeing778X wrote:
flight152 wrote:
You realize American just lost an entire pilot group to its competitor during a time when finding regional pilots is being challenging at best? It’s completely a loss to American.


More flying for us at Envoy. It's why we had 58x E140s in storage. So fine, we might be a few pilots short. We'll be okay.

Air Wisconsin can go help keep UAs hard product bad.

Few pilots short? Recruiting is easy? Right. That’s exactly why Envoy is still flying all those CR7’s and not PSA, they don’t have the pilots to fly them.


The CRJ-700s are going to PSA at a rate of 1 per month, and that has been the case since April, long before the removal of Air Wisconsin was announced.

Just like the E145s are going to Piedmont at a rate of 2 per month. It's not a matter of workforce, it's a matter of allocation.

The removal of Air Wisconsin from the system has given Envoy and other regionals to expand further. The continuing delivery of E175s, along with the placement of reactivated E140s and current E145s in the northeast, both with Envoy and Piedmont, compensate for Air Whiskey.
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:42 pm

A new 738 delivery today

N355PU / 3PU
Scheduled to ferry from BFI to TUL as AA 9701
 
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:22 am

flight152 wrote:
Boeing778X wrote:
flight152 wrote:
You realize American just lost an entire pilot group to its competitor during a time when finding regional pilots is being challenging at best? It’s completely a loss to American.


More flying for us at Envoy. It's why we had 58x E140s in storage. So fine, we might be a few pilots short. We'll be okay.

Air Wisconsin can go help keep UAs hard product bad.

Few pilots short? Recruiting is easy? Right. That’s exactly why Envoy is still flying all those CR7’s and not PSA, they don’t have the pilots to fly them.


Recruiting can be easy, take a look at our friends in St. George. SkyWest has been bursting at the seams with new pilots. Envoy and Endeavor have also had little trouble picking up recruits, especially compared to companies like Horizon, Mesa, and Compass. If a regional shows that they have a sturdy future, good pay and benefits, and maybe a path for career advancement, hiring becomes much less difficult.
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:47 pm

Another 757 retirement this week

N937UW / 937
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9 ... /KPHX/KGYR
 
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:11 pm

miaami wrote:
Another 757 retirement this week

N937UW / 937
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9 ... /KPHX/KGYR


Does N679AN (last legacy livery) have a retirement date?
 
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:54 pm

Another 757 retirement this week:

N936UW / 936
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N936UW

36 remaining 752s, one in legacy livery; N679AN, which should be retiring shortly, and one more, to get them down to 34 by year end.
 
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:25 pm

jgcotter wrote:
Another 757 retirement this week:

N936UW / 936
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N936UW

36 remaining 752s, one in legacy livery; N679AN, which should be retiring shortly, and one more, to get them down to 34 by year end.


Yes. 34. That includes 10 ex-US International 757 now doing PHX-Hawaii runs, and the remaining 24 are LAA International 757s based out of JFK and MIA. Better fly on those now before it's too late.
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 201

Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:53 pm

jgcotter wrote:
Another 757 retirement this week:

N936UW / 936
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N936UW

36 remaining 752s, one in legacy livery; N679AN, which should be retiring shortly, and one more, to get them down to 34 by year end.


how many 752 are still in US tatl 12/164?
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:03 pm

American 767 wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
Another 757 retirement this week:

N936UW / 936
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N936UW

36 remaining 752s, one in legacy livery; N679AN, which should be retiring shortly, and one more, to get them down to 34 by year end.


Yes. 34. That includes 10 ex-US International 757 now doing PHX-Hawaii runs, and the remaining 24 are LAA International 757s based out of JFK and MIA. Better fly on those now before it's too late.


What will replace the 757 on PHX-Hawaii? And when?
 
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:04 pm

Also, is CLT going to retain any 757 flying? Are there any still going through there? Or is it done flying there?
 
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Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:21 pm

aaflyer222 wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
Another 757 retirement this week:

N936UW / 936
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N936UW

36 remaining 752s, one in legacy livery; N679AN, which should be retiring shortly, and one more, to get them down to 34 by year end.


how many 752 are still in US tatl 12/164?

None. The last of them were just retired.
 
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:46 pm

mikejepp wrote:
American 767 wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
Another 757 retirement this week:

N936UW / 936
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N936UW

36 remaining 752s, one in legacy livery; N679AN, which should be retiring shortly, and one more, to get them down to 34 by year end.


Yes. 34. That includes 10 ex-US International 757 now doing PHX-Hawaii runs, and the remaining 24 are LAA International 757s based out of JFK and MIA. Better fly on those now before it's too late.


What will replace the 757 on PHX-Hawaii? And when?


I believe the plan was for the 737-8MAX to fly those.
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:01 am

American 767 wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
Another 757 retirement this week:

N936UW / 936
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N936UW

36 remaining 752s, one in legacy livery; N679AN, which should be retiring shortly, and one more, to get them down to 34 by year end.


Yes. 34. That includes 10 ex-US International 757 now doing PHX-Hawaii runs, and the remaining 24 are LAA International 757s based out of JFK and MIA. Better fly on those now before it's too late.


I don’t understand why it was invested in remodeling the 757 N691AA & AA692AA with the new International interior ( 1993 - 24 years old) and retire others that are five year younger ( like 1999 -N679AN, N181AN or N182AN )
 
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:50 am

caribair wrote:
American 767 wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
Another 757 retirement this week:

N936UW / 936
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N936UW

36 remaining 752s, one in legacy livery; N679AN, which should be retiring shortly, and one more, to get them down to 34 by year end.


Yes. 34. That includes 10 ex-US International 757 now doing PHX-Hawaii runs, and the remaining 24 are LAA International 757s based out of JFK and MIA. Better fly on those now before it's too late.


I don’t understand why it was invested in remodeling the 757 N691AA & AA692AA with the new International interior ( 1993 - 24 years old) and retire others that are five year younger ( like 1999 -N679AN, N181AN or N182AN )


It’s not just age, other factors such as hours and cycles need to be taken into account, as well as when leases are up for renewal, impending D-checks etc.
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:35 am

bgm wrote:
It’s not just age, other factors such as hours and cycles need to be taken into account, as well as when leases are up for renewal, impending D-checks etc.

I believe someone mentioned in this thread earlier that 10 or so newer-build 757s have been sold for freight conversion.
 
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:42 am

mikejepp wrote:
Also, is CLT going to retain any 757 flying? Are there any still going through there? Or is it done flying there?


There is still a flight JFK-CLT-JFK 1x daily on the 757, but I don't know how much longer that one will last.
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:37 pm

Another 738 scheduled to ferry ORD to GUS for new paint

N962AN / 3CT
scheduled to ferry as AA 9677 tonight
 
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:42 pm

miaami wrote:
Another 738 scheduled to ferry ORD to GUS for new paint

N962AN / 3CT
scheduled to ferry as AA 9677 tonight


6 remaining 738s, 1x 752 and 46x S80 in legacy livery.
 
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:19 pm

Glad the S80's have given an extension so we can enjoy the clAAssic silver livery a little while longer :)
 
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:15 pm

I haven't seen the silver Super 80 in ATL for quite a while. I miss seeing those birds.
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:47 am

I was looking at a google map of ROW, and it amazed me how many silver birds were parked out there. You could start an entire airline with how many grounded AA planes are out there, baking away. Sad sight.
 
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:03 pm

A new 787-9 delivery scheduled for today

N832AA / 8LN
Scheduled to ferry from CHS to DFW as AA 9704
 
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:41 pm

jgcotter wrote:
miaami wrote:
Another 738 scheduled to ferry ORD to GUS for new paint

N962AN / 3CT
scheduled to ferry as AA 9677 tonight


6 remaining 738s, 1x 752 and 46x S80 in legacy livery.


Fleet site lists 6 remaining 738x but 904AN is one of them (already painted.) So are there 5 left? 945AN, 958AN, 979AN, 864NN, 921NN?
 
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Re: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:28 pm

demkid wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
miaami wrote:
Another 738 scheduled to ferry ORD to GUS for new paint

N962AN / 3CT
scheduled to ferry as AA 9677 tonight


6 remaining 738s, 1x 752 and 46x S80 in legacy livery.


Fleet site lists 6 remaining 738x but 904AN is one of them (already painted.) So are there 5 left? 945AN, 958AN, 979AN, 864NN, 921NN?


I show N945AN, N958AN, N979AN, N864NN and N921NN (Heritage livery?) yet to be painted, one of which should ferry tonight. N945AN arrives at ORD this evening and should ferry to GUS to swap out with N905AN. I must have missed N856NN getting painted, so yes you’re correct, 5 remaining, thanks!
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