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Future Of BA NCL-LHR And NCL-LGW

Wed Feb 13, 2002 7:20 am

I have noticed that recently BA have reverted back to the 6 Daily frequency of the summer. With Go having started NCL-STN flights (and doing brilliantly), this is bound to have an effect on BA pax to LHR AND LGW, so what do you think the future holds for NCL-LHR and NCL-LGW???
Will freq remain the same? Will the routes be dropped and be taken over??? What do you think?
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RE: Future Of BA NCL-LHR And NCL-LGW

Wed Feb 13, 2002 8:56 am

Well, it's also worth remembering that the STN-NCL rotation isn't new. Before Go started operating it, Gill did.
 
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RE: Future Of BA NCL-LHR And NCL-LGW

Wed Feb 13, 2002 6:04 pm

Yup, but Go are using 3 a day 148 seat 737-300s on the route, instead of the 3 70 seat ATR72s. And with the news about BA axing lots more staff and 10 more routes, will NCL be one of these???
I guess it wont because it is a good performing route, with services now 4 757s, an A319 and a 734 a day on the LHR route, and LGW-NCL 4 RJ100s and a 733.
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RE: Future Of BA NCL-LHR And NCL-LGW

Wed Feb 13, 2002 9:37 pm

I think NCL-LHR's future is assured - in the 18 months since I have started regularly flying the route the equipment has grown from A319s mostly to 757s mostly.

I have yet to go on a service that is less than 75% full - at any time of day or week.

Gatwick - haven't flown it as much but loads seem to average about 50% whether you're on the RJ or the 737.

I wouldn't count them out yet - BA have a lot of connecting pax on the route and with the continued mess on the Railways, they wouldn't be as stupid as to give it up.
 
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RE: Future Of BA NCL-LHR And NCL-LGW

Wed Feb 13, 2002 10:13 pm

Oh, wouldn't they?

The NCL-LGW route is a heavy lossmaker, and if BA continue their withdrawal from both transatlantic and European flights from LGW, then the rationale behind retaining domestics starts to look a bit thin. After all, feed traffic was the justification behind continuing with lossmaking routes such as this.
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RE: Future Of BA NCL-LHR And NCL-LGW

Wed Feb 13, 2002 10:23 pm

Note that BA is shifting a load of ARJ's to MAN and BHX. If NCL struggles to fill the LGW service (especially with some decent yield) then they either chop it. I have also heard that the rotue might become part of the new pricing initiative at LGW. Lower, but not low cost.

But then who knows at the moment.
 
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RE: Future Of BA NCL-LHR And NCL-LGW

Wed Feb 13, 2002 11:13 pm

So NCL-LHR should/will be safe but NCL-LGW...Uncertain future....
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RE: Future Of BA NCL-LHR And NCL-LGW

Wed Feb 13, 2002 11:18 pm

Billy, the RJ's were on Newcastle before as they were part of the CityFlyer fleet. Now that the EOG and CFE fleets have merged, they can be redeployed elsewhere on the BA network.

I have to laugh at your comment about the new pricing initiative at LGW though. I mean, here's an idea: how about using a subsidiary's low cost base at LGW to make the routes profitable. Oh, I forgot, they had one of those in the shape of CityFlyer, and they shut it down. The idiots behind that idea should be sacked.
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RE: Future Of BA NCL-LHR And NCL-LGW

Wed Feb 13, 2002 11:26 pm

They also had a low cost airline. BA has a knack of discovering things then dumping them.

Will there be enough RJ's left at LGW to operate NCL, amongst otheres was my question. Especially as A319s and 735s from BHX and MAN are being sent to LGW.
 
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RE: Future Of BA NCL-LHR And NCL-LGW

Wed Feb 13, 2002 11:41 pm

Question is, if BA Gatwick dump NCL, will easyJet take over or will Go increase freq to NCL from STN?! Or could the LHR route go all 757?!
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RE: Future Of BA NCL-LHR And NCL-LGW

Wed Feb 13, 2002 11:50 pm

Just read that all 16 ARJs to be transferred to MAN/BHX. All ATRs are to be retired. The short and long haul cuts are at LGW but no clues as to the routes to go yet.

Interestingly, the MANX brand will die and will be rolled into BA CitiExpress.
 
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RE: Future Of BA NCL-LHR And NCL-LGW

Wed Feb 13, 2002 11:52 pm

Where did you hear that from, Billy?
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RE: Future Of BA NCL-LHR And NCL-LGW

Wed Feb 13, 2002 11:54 pm

Damn, thats a near certainty that NCL-LGW will be cut I think. I dont think NCL-LGW could survive on 737s, well not at current frequency anyway. (maybe 2-3 daily)
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RE: Future Of BA NCL-LHR And NCL-LGW

Thu Feb 14, 2002 12:01 am

Air Transport Intelligence
 
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RE: Future Of BA NCL-LHR And NCL-LGW

Thu Feb 14, 2002 12:09 am

I've always wondered what the City's reaction would be if the so called expert brokers really knew anything about aviation.

Some of the decisions BA make...well. Every time they announce a new strategy which will deliver £X million cost savings it has the opposite effect, and everyone in the airline industry knows it.
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RE: Future Of BA NCL-LHR And NCL-LGW

Thu Feb 14, 2002 12:58 am

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