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BHX News

Fri Feb 15, 2002 2:25 am

Royal Jordanian have announced a new service from BHX to Oman today, either 2 or 3 flights per week.

Dont say what a/c or what days or when the service will start, but over the last few weeks they have been operating quite a few charters using both A310s and 320s.

So nice to have good news again..  Smile

All the best

Derek Pedley

 
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RE: BHX News

Fri Feb 15, 2002 2:27 am

I think you meant Amman, The capital of Jordan not Oman which is a completely different airline.
 
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RE: BHX News

Fri Feb 15, 2002 2:33 am

Thats what happens when you copy from a news release in the local paper .. I am sure it is Amman yes sorry should have picked that up myself  Embarrassment

Blame the excitment Big grin
 
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RE: BHX News

Fri Feb 15, 2002 2:42 am

Good news indeed, and hopefully the service will be well supported. I heard they'll be using the A320??!??!!! Seems a long route for one of these....Thought it would be an A310...

This news, along with the return of AA and positive reports about PIA returning - Looks like my beloved BHX is on the up again. EK are carrying really good loads at the moment too. I read in the local news last night that the BA A319's are being replaced by RJ100's - Is this true?

BTW, I hear JMC are not getting rid of the 332's and we'll be seeing them at BHX this summer flying to Orlando.
 
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RE: BHX News

Fri Feb 15, 2002 2:46 am

JMC will be keeping their A330's as they are also operating NCL-SFB this summer  Big grin
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RE: BHX News

Fri Feb 15, 2002 2:51 am

They're flying from NCL too? Good stuff.
 
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RE: BHX News

Fri Feb 15, 2002 3:23 am

I see BDRules is quiet...maybe GO or BMIBaby might operate A330's out of EMA soon....sorry...couldn't resist!!!


Karl  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: BHX News

Fri Feb 15, 2002 3:31 am

As I understand all brums 319s (8) will be going to LHR
12 RJ100 (big 146s) will be BHX based with the other 4 going to Manchester this to be complete by the end of the summer..

Other news is Manx will go from 2 to 4 flights per day to/from the IOM as from the end of March but will be in BA livery as Manx will become part of the same group

Hope this helps

Derek
 
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RE: BHX News

Fri Feb 15, 2002 4:17 am

Manx to Brum will be Jetstream 41s  Big grin
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RE: BHX News

Fri Feb 15, 2002 4:24 am

Will BHX ever flatten its runway????  Confused
I flew once from there (On Sunways MD83 to Dalaman) and the runway was like a roller-coaster  Smokin cool
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RE: BHX News

Fri Feb 15, 2002 4:35 am

J-41's?????? Ergh! GKirk, don't ever frighten me like that again!  Laugh out loud
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RE: BHX News

Fri Feb 15, 2002 4:37 am

EGFF, EGBB, u still get G-MAJB from NCL  Laugh out loud
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RE: BHX News

Fri Feb 15, 2002 4:41 am

Just for you kirk  Smile


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RE: BHX News

Fri Feb 15, 2002 4:43 am

 Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up
EGFFs fave a/c!
Ta Mr Pedley  Big grin
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RE: BHX News

Fri Feb 15, 2002 4:48 am

 Wow!  Wow!  Wow!  Wow!  Wow!  Wow!  Wow! ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
EGFF  Yeah sure
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RE: BHX News

Fri Feb 15, 2002 4:51 am

 Laugh out loud  Laugh out loud  Laugh out loud Big grin Big grin Big grin Big grin
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RE: BHX News

Fri Feb 15, 2002 4:54 am

GKirk, just remember we are meeting in MAN....
oi, you...yes derek and you my friend, we have to spend a weekend in Nice...watch it Big grin
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RE: BHX News

Fri Feb 15, 2002 5:03 am

OMG!  Wow!
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RE: BHX News

Fri Feb 15, 2002 5:05 am

What has amazed you 'ole Scotsman?  Laugh out loud
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RE: BHX News

Fri Feb 15, 2002 5:12 am

Username: EGFF
Posted 2002-02-14 20:54:10 and read 9 times.
GKirk, just remember we are meeting in MAN....
oi, you...yes derek and you my friend, we have to spend a weekend in Nice...watch it
EGFF


Look at the last sentence  Wow!  Big grin Big grin Big grin Big grin  Laugh out loud


Only teasing!
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RE: BHX News

Fri Feb 15, 2002 6:45 am


Are there any links to this story? Just gone to the BHX website and there's nothing about it!

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RE: BHX News

Fri Feb 15, 2002 7:12 am

David, the BHX website is one of the worst 'official' websites on the net - They can be quite late in putting the important news onto their pages, so your findings don't surprise me.

Going back to BA - 12 RJ100's eh? Not bad little aircraft these....That means the number of a/c based at BHX will increase, though they are smaller in size than the chubby '319.
 
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RE: BHX News

Fri Feb 15, 2002 7:34 am

I was just wondering the same David...other than the local newspapers can anyone substantiate this new route news?

regards

Karl
 
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RE: BHX News

Fri Feb 15, 2002 7:57 am


The Manchester Evening News said that we're losing 6 737s....I can only imagine the RJ split is 10 for BHX and 6 for MAN. Looking forward to see them here - years of having one lot of aircraft "made in Manchester", we get a new set; it's a pity the RJX production was abandoned - imagine the ferry flight: WFD-MAN (10 minutes maximum, 5 on a good day?) Where does this leave the A318 order then?

I wonder what kind of new strategy is going to be implemented by the BA subsidiaries/franchises; a lot of the "BA" services here are BACitiExpress ones using the ERJ145; it may be one of the worst things possible in having a new runway as it gives ample opportunities for frequencies to increase whilst maintaining overall capacity!

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RE: BHX News

Fri Feb 15, 2002 8:19 am

Karliboy, BMIBABY are actually looking at operating 744's to SYD twice daily as of March.  Wink/being sarcastic

LOL
regards BDRules

BHX Sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ROCK ON EMA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: BHX News

Fri Feb 15, 2002 8:40 am

I forgot about the A318 order....Maybe the RJ100's are a temporary measure until these 'minibuses' arrive....I had heard BA had deferred several new Airbus orders, and they have practically cancelled any remaining 757 orders, though there were only a handful of the Boeing narrowbodies left to be delivered anyway.

Oh and BDRules - There is nothing like a bit of friendly rivalry between our airports is there? I say airports in the loosest possible sense of course - In the case of EMA I should say bus station.
 
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RE: BHX News

Fri Feb 15, 2002 10:11 am

BHX Vs MAN/EMA vs NCL part 3
NCL wins due to friendly airport staff!
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RE: BHX News

Fri Feb 15, 2002 9:23 pm

757man EMA is a big bloody bus station. but not as big as that other bus station near by. whats it called??????????????????????? oh yeah Brumingham. also the BHX international train station is as big as EMA lol

You get my respect for the friendly rivalry and good points
 
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RE: BHX News

Fri Feb 15, 2002 9:39 pm

The A320 could easily fly to BHX from Amman it's only 2042 nm Great Circle distance weel within the A320's ma range of 3050nm.
 
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RE: BHX News

Sat Feb 16, 2002 1:59 am

Today they say it will be a mix of 320s & 310s on the route
 
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RE: BHX News

Sat Feb 16, 2002 2:36 am

Uh huh  Wow!
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RE: BHX News

Sat Feb 16, 2002 2:43 am

So how come all RJ's Airbuses have French registrations? Are they leased from Airbus?

BDRules - Seriously, I wish EMA luck with it's new operators, Go and BMiBaby. Though no doubt being an EMA enthusiast, you'll get sick of seeing 737-300's all the time - Take it from me, I'm so bored of A319's flying in and out of BHX all the time I'm glad they're switching to the little RJ100. We want more widebodies!!!!
 
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RE: BHX News

Sat Feb 16, 2002 2:46 am

come on the widebodies. just a question i try to put someone on my respected user list and it comes up and says there is no one under the username of A380-300. who the hell is that????????

Regards BDRules
 
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RE: BHX News

Sat Feb 16, 2002 2:54 am

Don't know who that user is, but I've found trying to add respected users, is quite frankly, a pain in the arse. Now, this can mean one of two things: Either the system is not the most well designed, or I'm totally thick.

(Can't help thinking I've left myself wide open here)  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: BHX News

Sat Feb 16, 2002 3:14 am

LOL@BDRules.....cool reply....i think you should change your nickname though...EMARules!

BTW i didn't know sheds rocked!!!!!

Regards
Karl
 
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RE: BHX News

Sat Feb 16, 2002 3:31 am


This is what was put on a yahoogroup:

"Royal Jordanian have today announced they are start a new scheduled service from Birmingham to Amman, the service will run by A310's and A320's on a 2-3 per week basis.

Over the past few weeks various existing RJA service into Europe have been extended to BHX, loads were good hence the dedicated service.

RJA see it as a opportunity to offer connections via Amman to Pakistan, India etc as well as their own country, they are to open an office in Birmingham."

Still no official word...but I will say that Royal Jordanian have been flying these Hadj flights from MAN for a number of years and appear to have had healthy loads; they must have done to keep operating them every year. Quite why after operating one season of these flights to BHX they decide to launch BHX scheduled services is beyond me or a BHX v. MAN rivalry debate!

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RE: BHX News

Sat Feb 16, 2002 4:32 am

There seems to be no official word yet, but the local rags have had a few articles on it already! However with regard to why BHX and not MAN, then you're guess is as good as anybody else's....the BHX website was very quick off the mark to announce AA's return so why not a new route entirely? Not sure if this is just a warm wind blowing in from a suburb of B'ham or not.Time will tell!

Karl
 
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RE: BHX News

Sat Feb 16, 2002 7:10 am

The other thing the makes me question this service is that the yahoo message comes from the same guy who brought news that Emirates were actively seeking a 2nd BHX-DXB route. My learned friend, Mr Emirates Worker reported thus:

"As a member of the Emirates UK Management Team, I'd be interested to know where you heard this. As far as I'm aware we have no plans to expand BHX services in the foreseeable future. December was an excellent month throughout the UK and the BHX loadfactor was good for a relatively new (1 year old) service at around 75%. It should also be good during February as we have channelled the majority of our Haj Pilgrim traffic onto the BHX flight. Currently the average BHX loadfactor is around 55/60%. It needs to be averaging 85/90%+ before we would consider a second service. The BHX route is currently scheduled to operate on a 'High Density' A330-200. You will have noticed that around 40% of the flights each month operate on the
smaller capacity 'Low Density' aircraft. The usual way these things happen is that once we manage to consistently fill the A330-200 HD, you will start seeing B777-200's substituted occasionally, eventually the daily schedule would become a higher capacity B777-200HD permanently. Only then would we look at a second service.

For comparison, the MAN route averages 85/90% loadfactors now (95% in December) and a second service (dep 20:00 ish) was planned for this summer.
However, the DXB/SYD service is remaining at 4 x weekly instead of going daily. Also the new services from DXB to MRU, PER and OSA announced for this year will depart from DXB in the 'early hours' and therefore connect with the current lunchtime departures from the UK. So the second MAN service has been shelved for the time being. We are currently trying to substitute a B777-300LD/HD from August or September on the lunchtime service to cope with the expected additional passengers. The MAN route started in November 1990 (yes it has been going 11 years !!!) operating 2 days a week on an A310-300 via FRA, then it went to an A300-600R via PAR 3 days a week and finally 4 days a week via ZRH and 3 non-stops before we went to a daily non-stop service in March 1999 when the A330-200 came into service.

The moral of the story is that any new route has to be able to walk unaided before it can break into a run. Having said all that, Emirates has doubled in size every three years since it started in 1985 and continues to expand at a fearsome rate today. New routes and services tend to happen suddenly. The BHX route was only announced 3/4 months before it started for instance, so don't come back to me in 2003 and say "I told you so".

And just yesterday I got this nugget about last week's 777 at MAN:

"It was an 'HD' 2 cabin version with a grand total of 434 passengers (We left 6 staff passengers behind. It also carried 17.6 tonnes of cargo. We had to offload 900kg because it was overweight.

Todays was a -300 ER which has a higher MTOW but it was quite severely restricted as takeoff was on 06L. It went out with just short of the magic 400, 398 actually. I think there was just over 18 tonnes of cargo on it as well."

David/MAN
 
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RE: BHX News

Sat Feb 16, 2002 7:32 am

will man get an a380 then dxb when they come into srevice? and what are the chance of a gla service and was that not romered? sorry for going a bit of the subject
 
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RE: BHX News

Sat Feb 16, 2002 7:47 am


I don't think MAN will get an A380 here on scheduled flights, perhaps on diversion only (I think MAN, LHR & LGW are the only ones expected to handle them, though I envisage PIK having this capability as well).

I expect about 5 years from now, we'll be with double daily 777-300s in High Density configuration.


As for GLA, I would imagine either late 2003 or early 2004 before it starts as I can't see them trying to launch a batch of North American destinations and more European at the same time. However, further Australasian expansion could see a GLA service so that a one-stop Sydney service could be available.

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RE: BHX News

Sat Feb 16, 2002 12:06 pm

NCL can handel A380 I believe (not fully-loade though  Big grin )
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RE: BHX News

Sun Feb 17, 2002 12:44 pm

I must admit, I'm growing more sceptical about the RJ service - I would have thought we'd have the official word by now.

If this news came from the same source as the one that reckoned Delta would be starting a daily BHX-ATL service this year, then I'd treat it with much suspicion. I'm afraid there has been a lot of 'false' news regarding BHX over the past twelve months. I guess a lot of it may be down to Chinese whispers.....The worst thing is, I believed most of this 'news' when it appeared on a certain BHX enthusiast site a while ago.
 
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RE: BHX News

Sun Feb 17, 2002 9:54 pm


The other thing is that the justplanes airline news didn't mention it either and normally they are on the ball regarding new services as they generally wait for confirmation (via press releases) before noting changes and new services.

David/MAN