odie
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Further Changes To MAS 2002 Summer Schedules

Fri Feb 15, 2002 2:44 am

MAS is making some further changers to the Summer 2002 schedules. Here are the additional changes:

Hong Kong: Will be operated by 7 times weekly B747 and 5 times weekly B777 services.

Taipei: One of the weekly A330 services via Kota Kinabalu would be changed to B737.

Zurich and Rome: Aircraft changed to B777 instead of intended B747. It will still maintained 3 times weekly flight into Rome via Zurich. However, the departure/arrival time is better, allowing earlier arrival into Zurich and Rome. Same goes for an earlier arrival into Kuala Lumpur.

Frankfurt: Capacity downgraded to B777 instead of B747. Still operating 5 times weekly as usual.

On a sidenote, I had read somewhere that the B777 is not suitable for Zurich Airport since it is located in the Alps. Is it true? I do know that MAS is the sole B777 operator into Zurich Airport.

I was also told that during the June period, there are still plenty of seats to Kuala Lumpur from Frankfurt but not Paris. Paris was completely full. Frankfurt really suffering a drop in passengers numbers for MAS? (this explains for the equipment downgrade!)

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RE: Further Changes To MAS 2002 Summer Schedules

Fri Feb 15, 2002 3:08 am

Zurich Airport:

Never heared that you can't operate a 777 into ZRH. Though I am not an expert on ZRH, I can't imagine that it is not possible. SR had 747's for years and still flies M11 and A330, so why not a 777?
 
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RE: Further Changes To MAS 2002 Summer Schedules

Fri Feb 15, 2002 3:20 am

KE operated from time to time with 772 into ZRH and AA used them also on DFW-ZRH but they changed to 763. I don't know why a 772 wouldn't fit into ZRH. Also Air Europe and others used them into ZRH but not on regular basis. MAS uses them since nearly 4 years into ZRH.
I don't think MAS would have sold many seats if they had arrived 0910 at KUL because exept Domestic and NRT they would have missed all connections to nearly everywhere.
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RE: Further Changes To MAS 2002 Summer Schedules

Fri Feb 15, 2002 4:21 am

MH use their 777s to KUL right now. I see them on the webcam!
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RE: Further Changes To MAS 2002 Summer Schedules

Fri Feb 15, 2002 4:21 am

MH use their 777s to ZRH right now. I see them on the webcam!
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RE: Further Changes To MAS 2002 Summer Schedules

Fri Feb 15, 2002 7:14 am

GKirk: Which airport are you talking about? Zurich? Yeah they are using B777 on that route right now, but supposedly, from April 1, 2002 onwards, MAS is going to use B747. However, now they had changed their mind and use the B777 instead. This means that there are quite a significant reduction in capacity for MAS at Zurich. They used to operate a turnaround 4 times B777 weekly services. Now, it's only 3 times weekly, plus it has onward flight to Rome. I do believe that it's quite hard to get seats out of Zurich during the summer (pre Sept. 11).

As far as Zurich Airport is concerned, I heard that only the B777 is not that suitable, but of course, airlines still can use B777 at Zurich. I am not too sure about the reason though, but that's just what I heard. All the other aircraft is fine like the B747, B767 and the A340.

Swissgabe: I totally agree with you that by arriving at 9:10 am, there isn't much connection traffic left, especially for passengers flying onwards to Sydney and Melbourne. There's only like 40 minutes connection time and I don't think MAS will allow that short connection time. Did you hear anything further about MAS's flight to Rome where it might be routed via Frankfurt instead of Zurich? Thanx!

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RE: Further Changes To MAS 2002 Summer Schedules

Fri Feb 15, 2002 7:56 am

I Odie, no other news regarding that thing with FRA, FCO and ZRH. But if your news are official I don't think they want to change them once again.

Minimum connecting time at KLIA for Intl to Intl is 1h. Between Intl and Dom. also but this can be quite short, as u know, you have to pass also Immigration.


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RE: Further Changes To MAS 2002 Summer Schedules

Fri Feb 15, 2002 8:19 am

Hmm... this looks like a sharp increase in B777 utilisation.

B777:
AMS (daily) = 2 aircraft
FRA (5x) = 2 aircraft
ZRH-FCO (3x) = 1 aircraft
SYD-MEL (daily) = 1 aircraft
DXB-IST (2x) = 1 aircraft
BOM (4x) = 1 aircraft
SHA (daily) = 1 aircraft
NRT (14x) = 2 aircraft
MEL (daily) = 1 aircraft
PER (daily) = 1 aircraft
HKG (5x) = 1 aircraft
ADL (3x) = 1 aircraft

Total = 15
minus 2-3 aircraft saved from rotation throughout the system, which leaves 0-1 (!) aircraft for short regionals like CGK and BKK and spare. This is very rough estimation but the 13 B777s are being worked very hard. I guess that might mean more frequent A330 or, if capacity and range required, B747 substitutions.

Meanwhile, the 15 B747s are only being employed on:
TPE-LAX (daily) = 2 aircraft
SYD (daily) = 1 aircraft
LHR (18x) = 5 aircraft
MAN (3x) = 1 aircraft
CDG (3x) = 1 aircraft
AKL (3x) = 1 aircraft
JED (3x ?) = 1 aircraft
HKG (daily) = 1 aircraft

total = 13
minus 1-2 aircraft that might be saved from rotating the aircraft throughout the system, leaving 4-5 spare aircraft.
Weren't they going to receive two B747s this year?
What do they plan to do with those?
 
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RE: Further Changes To MAS 2002 Summer Schedules

Fri Feb 15, 2002 9:37 am

Swissgabe: I just got the information from MAS's website online schedule. Maybe they might change it for the Winter 2002/2003 schedule if they find it flying via Frankfurt is better.

Econojetter: MAS no longer uses the B777 to Jakarta and only uses 2 of its 14 flights to Bangkok. Flights to these destinations uses mainly A330. And there's also Johannesburg and Cape Town that you need to add to the B777 list. I do believe that MAS have more than 13 B777. Plus, they just took one more B747 in December/January, forgot which one. 9M-MPO, I had seen it twice in London-Heathrow. MAS uses it for its MH 1/3 flight.

I think MAS wants to fully utilize its B777 and A330, so they are only parking the B747 instead of parking both B777 and B747. With this, MAS will retire two of its B747-Combi by next month. I do believe that they are looking to sell two of its B744, 9M-MPC and 9M-MPM, I think.

As for Asian destinations is concerned with the B777, they are normally utilized when the flights arrive from Europe early morning and they use it to fly to Asian destinations and return back to Kuala Lumpur early evening, in time for their flight to Europe again. Eg. AMS-KUL-SHA-KUL-AMS. (that will need 2 aircraft)

Oh, I forgot to mention that Brisbane also got a downgraded in equipment, but an upgrade of capapcity. the A330 will fly 4 times weekly to Brisbane instead of B777. There will be slight increase of capacity, though if you fance PTVs in any class, the A330 doesn't offer any!

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RE: Further Changes To MAS 2002 Summer Schedules

Fri Feb 15, 2002 5:01 pm

In most CRS I think MH9/10 behind APR showes NOOP because of the Schedule change, hopefully they will update it soon with the new times.

Those two 744, are this the only Acfts stored by MAS? Now they use most of them again, isen't it?
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odie
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RE: Further Changes To MAS 2002 Summer Schedules

Sat Feb 16, 2002 1:53 am

I believe that MAS is going to park a couple of B747. There's just too much B747 and I believe they are under utilized. However, as far as B777 is concerned, I believe that they won't be parking any as MAS is using B777 currently to cities like Guangzhou, Bangkok and Jakarta. With the Summer 2002 scehdules, these cities only see at most 2 B777 flights, if not, never at all. Hence, MAS need to resort to using A330 for these routes.

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