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A340-600 Also On Demo To SAA Today

Fri Feb 15, 2002 6:57 am

That's right. A340-600 F-WWCC touched down in Johannesburg this morning alongside a Delta B777 for the purpose of attracting SAA's order for the new long range fleet.

Both aircraft will be conducting test flights for both SAA management and pilots to get a feel for which aircraft they prefer. Flights to Cape Town and Mafikeng are among those planned. Both aircraft should be here for the next 2-3days.

A decision is expected at the end of the month.
 
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RE: A340-600 Also On Demo To SAA Today

Fri Feb 15, 2002 7:00 am

Which routes are these aircraft supposed to be flying? Thinner European sectors?
 
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RE: A340-600 Also On Demo To SAA Today

Fri Feb 15, 2002 7:19 am

The A340-600 would probably replace SAA's current B747-300's which are used to Frankfurt, London, Zurich and New York.

If the Airbus product is selected, it will likely be a mixture of A340-600's A340-300's and possibly even some ex-Lufthansa A340-200's. With 2 or 3 sizes of aircraft to choose from SAA would have the flexiblity to allocate aircraft where demand warrants it.

There is talk of new European routes opening up to places like Athens, Lisbon and Rome/Milan.
 
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RE: A340-600 Also On Demo To SAA Today

Fri Feb 15, 2002 5:24 pm

The Airbus will be in Cape Town on Saturday . I think SAA may get some used aircraft as the pressure is on to replace those immaculate older aircraft who's fate appears to be the scrap heap.

from Reuters :

AIRLINES
SAA fleet overhaul to cost US$1.5bn
Posted Fri, 15 Feb 2002

South African Airways (SAA), Africa's largest air carrier, said on Thursday it planned to spend up to US$1.5-billion on new aircraft to upgrade its ageing long-haul fleet.

Chief financial officer Richard Forson told reporters that SAA was negotiating with US aerospace firm Boeing and European manufacturer Airbus and would make a decision in the next few days.

"We are going to submit our proposal to the SAA board on Sunday," he told reporters. He said a decision would be made after a demonstration on Friday of the new Airbus A340-600 — expected to make its market debut later this year — and the Boeing 777 at the Johannesburg International Airport.

SAA spent US$680-million in 2000 on 21 Boeing 737-800 aircraft under former chief executive Coleman Andrews. Its fleet of 14 long-haul aircraft — out of a total of 60 — are due to be replaced because they are about 30 years old.

Forsan said SAA still reserved the right to buy second-hand aircraft. They had R2-billion (US$175-million) in reserves available to spend, while the remainder of money would have to come from debt funding, he said.

Earlier on Thursday, the government said it would buy back the Swissair Group's 20 percent stake in SAA for R382.5-million (US$33.3-million) — R1-billion less than it sold it for three years ago.

Swissair collapsed in October when a fall in traffic after the September 11 attacks in the United States triggered a cash squeeze at the heavily indebted group.

Forsan said both Boeing and Airbus had indicated they would be able to deliver aircraft this year, and conclude the transfer by the end of 2004. It is highly unlikely SAA would choose a combination of Boeing and Airbus planes for the long-haul fleet, he said.

At present, SAA does not have any Airbus aircraft in its fleet of 60. Forsan said with the number of aircraft taken out of circulation since September 11, it was unlikely that SAA would find buyers for its old aircraft, and they would probably be scrapped.

The flagship carrier reported a headline loss of R735-million in the 2001 financial year versus a R32-million loss in the previous period.

Earnings forecasts for 2002 have been reduced from reaching breakeven to a modest narrowing of losses because of sharp rand depreciation in the final months of 2001 and a weaker market following September 11.

SAA currently flies to 700 destinations and has 10 000 staff.


 
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RE: A340-600 Also On Demo To SAA Today

Fri Feb 15, 2002 5:38 pm

700 destiantions???

and the don`t fly to DUS anymore  Sad
 
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RE: A340-600 Also On Demo To SAA Today

Fri Feb 15, 2002 6:17 pm

why is a delta 777 on promotion tour for boeing? is delta a subsidiary of boeing?

somewhat confused,

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RE: A340-600 Also On Demo To SAA Today

Fri Feb 15, 2002 6:19 pm

These aircraft will mainly be a replacement for the handful of 30/31 year old 742s, which surely need to go soon. No pax-airline operates so many very early 747s.
A replacement for the 747-300 isn´t urgent.
 
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RE: A340-600 Also On Demo To SAA Today

Fri Feb 15, 2002 6:28 pm

my guess is that the 700 destinations include code share arrangements from partners hubs.
 
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RE: A340-600 Also On Demo To SAA Today

Fri Feb 15, 2002 11:24 pm

I think SA will likely end up buying the A340-600 for three reasons:

1. The A346 has the perfect seating/cargo capacity to replace SA's aging 747 Classic fleet.

2. The A346 can fly JNB or CPT to South America or southern Asia (e.g., across the South Atlantic Ocean and the Indian Ocean) on more direct routes, since the A346 is not subject to ETOPS 180 requirements. This will save substantial time on such long flights.

3. The A346 can now be purchased at a very lucrative price, especially now that the Flightlease order for SR no longer exists but the components for these planes are already under construction.
 
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RE: A340-600 Also On Demo To SAA Today

Fri Feb 15, 2002 11:43 pm

I will be scanning the SA press for photos later on, but meanwhile, if anyone sees anything in their local press/Airbus/Boeing website, please let us know by a link or paste!

What names will be given to the new a/c? I hope they transfer some names like Magaliesburg, nice touch for everyone!

Danki!

 
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RE: A340-600 Also On Demo To SAA Today

Sat Feb 16, 2002 1:40 am

I think SAA being a Rolls Royce customer will go for either the 777-200ER or A340-600 with RR Trent powerplants over the CFM56-5C A340-300.
 
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RE: A340-600 Also On Demo To SAA Today

Sat Feb 16, 2002 4:07 am

It would be neat to see a picture of the 777 and A340-600 next to each other. Does anyone there have a camera?  Smile