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Construction for ATL A380 gate underway

Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:36 pm

Looks like ATL is expanding F3 for the A380, it makes me wonder if AF will consolidate the two 777's into an A380. We shall see.

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Re: Construction for ATL A380 gate underway

Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:59 pm

How ironic would it be if QR decided to send an A380 there? :stirthepot:
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Re: Construction for ATL A380 gate underway

Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:19 pm

KTPAFlyer wrote:
it makes me wonder if AF will consolidate the two 777's into an A380.

Probably no consolidation. ATL-CDG is hub to hub, the frequency is important.
 
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Re: Construction for ATL A380 gate underway

Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:23 pm

Polot wrote:
KTPAFlyer wrote:
it makes me wonder if AF will consolidate the two 777's into an A380.

Probably no consolidation. ATL-CDG is hub to hub, the frequency is important.

Humm, not exactly. Hub to hub is exactly where large aircraft get deployed. Just look at where you have widebodies flying domestic routes. Frequency is important where there are a lot of business passengers who prefer frequency. I don't know enough about ATL-CDG to have an opinion on whether AF should switch to A380 other than 1x A380 would be a significant reduction in capacity from 2x77W. Maybe 789+A380 would work.
 
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Re: Construction for ATL A380 gate underway

Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:37 pm

Isn't AF deploying a 789 on this route at some point this year?
 
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Re: Construction for ATL A380 gate underway

Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:41 pm

airbazar wrote:
Polot wrote:
KTPAFlyer wrote:
it makes me wonder if AF will consolidate the two 777's into an A380.

Probably no consolidation. ATL-CDG is hub to hub, the frequency is important.

Humm, not exactly. Hub to hub is exactly where large aircraft get deployed. Just look at where you have widebodies flying domestic routes. Frequency is important where there are a lot of business passengers who prefer frequency. I don't know enough about ATL-CDG to have an opinion on whether AF should switch to A380 other than 1x A380 would be a significant reduction in capacity from 2x77W. Maybe 789+A380 would work.

That is why I said no consolidation, not no A380. I don't know if the A380 would suitable on the route, but I have my doubts that if AF were to use it at ATL it would be placed on the route to eliminate a frequency.

Frequency is still important on hub-to-hub routes because you want as many hub banks connected as possible maximizing the number of destinations and connections you can offer. These hub-to-hub routes also generally have high volumes of traffic (because of peopling making a connection) hence the large aircraft used. You will notice most widebodies flying domestic routes (excluding HI) are generally still flying routes with high frequencies (just mixed with narrowbodies).
 
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Re: Construction for ATL A380 gate underway

Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:43 pm

jkrugman22 wrote:
Isn't AF deploying a 789 on this route at some point this year?

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Re: Construction for ATL A380 gate underway

Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:57 pm

Polot wrote:
Frequency is still important on hub-to-hub routes because you want as many hub banks connected as possible maximizing the number of destinations and connections you can offer. These hub-to-hub routes also generally have high volumes of traffic (because of peopling making a connection) hence the large aircraft used. You will notice most widebodies flying domestic routes (excluding HI) are generally still flying routes with high frequencies (just mixed with narrowbodies).

True but lets not forget that DL also operates flights between ATL and CDG. At the end of the day it all comes down to demand for the route. FRA-SIN, FRA-SFO, FRA-IAH are all hub to hub A380 routes with a single frequency from LH. I know that LH is helped by UA frequencies on those routes but in the case of ATL-CDG, AF also has DL's frequencies.
 
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Re: Construction for ATL A380 gate underway

Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:31 pm

What's the usual time-at-gate for an A380? I'd guess four hours; which means maybe two A380 flights a day. Can those gates be used for any other aircraft for the remaining ten-ish hours a day? The downside of banked flights, I suppose, but made worse with the turnaround time during peak arrival/departure times.
 
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Re: Construction for ATL A380 gate underway

Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:13 pm

BN727227Ultra wrote:
What's the usual time-at-gate for an A380? I'd guess four hours; which means maybe two A380 flights a day. Can those gates be used for any other aircraft for the remaining ten-ish hours a day? The downside of banked flights, I suppose, but made worse with the turnaround time during peak arrival/departure times.

Way, way off! At DXB QF do A380 turnarounds in 1 hour 45 minutes, so 2 hours would be much more reasonable.

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Re: Construction for ATL A380 gate underway

Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:16 am

Didn't the KE flight to ICN get downgraded from a A380 to 777 a year or so ago? Maybe KE will bring back the A380 now that they and DL have the J/V.
 
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Re: Construction for ATL A380 gate underway

Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:36 am

Gemuser wrote:
BN727227Ultra wrote:
What's the usual time-at-gate for an A380? I'd guess four hours; which means maybe two A380 flights a day. Can those gates be used for any other aircraft for the remaining ten-ish hours a day? The downside of banked flights, I suppose, but made worse with the turnaround time during peak arrival/departure times.

Way, way off! At DXB QF do A380 turnarounds in 1 hour 45 minutes, so 2 hours would be much more reasonable.

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Re: Construction for ATL A380 gate underway

Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:39 am

flyinggoat wrote:
Didn't the KE flight to ICN get downgraded from a A380 to 777 a year or so ago? Maybe KE will bring back the A380 now that they and DL have the J/V.


Delta is launching a flight to Seoul in June so I doubt that will happen. Air France and Qatar(very unlikely) is the only carrier outside of Korean that could possibly bring the A380. Last year I would have said Emirates but not in today's climate.
 
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Re: Construction for ATL A380 gate underway

Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:39 am

BravoEchoNov wrote:
Air France and Qatar(very unlikely) is the only carrier outside of Korean that could possibly bring the A380.

Well, no... BA and LH technically could as well.

99.9% chance that they won't, as it's not a hub for either, and not particularly high-yielding for LH; so the likelihood is just above nil.
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Re: Construction for ATL A380 gate underway

Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:58 am

ATL already has 1 A380 gate so it would ne the second one. KE sometime sends an a380 to ATL. The only other airline that could really do it would be AF. And the question is would ATL be upgrading a gate just for the fun of it ?
AF was said to be considering sending an A380. And now they will send a 787-9. Sounds to me like they are prepping for swapping 77W x2 for A380 + 787.
 
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Re: Construction for ATL A380 gate underway

Sat Apr 22, 2017 12:46 pm

I think the reasoning for upgrading the gate on F is to move the potential A380 operations from E to F. The walk to customs is much shorter and the long term plans are to move all international arrivals to F and the new G once it is built. E would then be used for domestic use. The upgraded gate can be used by other aircraft when it is not being used by an A380, just like the one on E that is A380 capable.

Just because they are doing it does not mean someone is ready to start daily operations. I think it is just making up for the short sighted move when F was built to not have at least one A380 gate.
 
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Re: Construction for ATL A380 gate underway

Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:15 pm

What excellent timing. With I-85 down they can launch a flight to Briscoe Field every 30 minutes.

But in all seriousness, it's about time. They needed at least one for future flexibility, and occupying two gates on E isn't the most efficient way to do that.

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